Can you ever win with these people?

Can you ever win with these people?

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No, you cannot. Next question.

No.

No because all they want is to destroy so don't give them an inch.

They feed the alligator in the hopes that it will eat them last.

Worst thing you can do is try to win with those people. Once they realize they have power over you they will never let you forget it.

No. Hopefully after awhile these folks will learn to stop trying since, unless you are a black, transsexual, illegal immigrant with a disability, you will always do something to fuck up and turn into their next target.

Nothing puts me off a headline like using the word 'slam' in that manner

No. And never apologize to an SJW either, even if you're in the wrong. They'll take it as weakness and try to get more out of you.

Never make the mistake of thinking these creatures are human.

Nah, but he deserves slamming for that script

Yes, by ignoring the fuck out of them.

Liberalism is about the suicide of western society. Once you realize this, you understand that these people can never be satisfied short of complete destruction of everything western.

losers...

No, liberals are the epitome of bottomless desire and hedonism that only worsens the more you feed it.

faggot

You're confusing liberals with progressives. True liberals like myself want nothing to do with these people.

for a day, then they demand further capitulations

No, unless you are a crippled trans black nanoboy who grew up poor in a foster system.

Fucking kek!
Is there any one of their allies they haven't attacked?

i hope all those beta males/male feminists finally realize there will be nothing but pain (and no pussy) waiting for them in the end if they associate with feminists
Then finally they have the chance to grow balls

>Can you ever win with these people?
Yeah, by being a feminist in more than just name alone and being willing to take criticism, two things that Joss Whedon has failed at. Everything that feminists hate about Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman script are all things they've complained about in the past. The problem is that he's never accepted their criticisms. He's kept himself sheltered from actual feminist critiques of his work by staying in his own little bubble of fans where he believes his King of Feminists hype.

>And never apologize to an SJW either, even if you're in the wrong.
Bill Maher recently apologized and it saved his career. Everyone has moved on. He really would have hurt himself if he had defended it or just tried to ignore it.

Is Joss lifting with Snyder and Affleck yet

Maher is in the "political" comedy business though, which is different from pure hollywood

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>Welcome to the jungle starts playing

They make him remove his twitter account at first because of the portray of Black Widow in Avengers 2, even after taking photos with Anita.

They like to canibalize each other, top kek

Maybe if you whine about it long enough every blog post you don't agree with everywhere will get taken down. Good luck with that.

Yes. Most Feminists aren't the extremists you hear about, they have pretty standard demands.

Meanwhile Joss Whedon has been in hot water with Feminists before. It's more telling about his ethics than it is about the women's rights movement.

But... I read that script... it was feminist as fuck.

The whole thing was about WW kicking the fuck out of Miss O'Ginny. In what world is a movie pro-feminism and anti misogyny a bad thing for feminists?

Just because there is sexism in it doesn't mean it's a sexist movie ffs!

There's zero difference. In fact, Maher lost his show once before for saying some really stupid shit and then giving a non-apology "sorry you misunderstood me" reply. He of all people should be able to tell you the importance of really apologizing when you fuck up.

I like laughing at how much of a pathetic, groveling, emasculated pussy Joss Whedon is and how he's bending over for jobless Twitter and Tumblr feminists.

>anti-feminist
>alt-right
I mean I guess the alt-right may be anti-feminist but anti-feminism goes far beyond that little group. Most of reddit is anti-feminist for example, and most of reddit is liberal.

The script was full of Whedon jerking off and cumming to the idea of "strong women," just like every script the guy writes. To be fair, though, that does make it fairly faithful to the original.

Joss Whedon deserves it.

In what way is that a bad thing for feminists?

I just don't get it.

>women from lolcow/tumblr who entered the site through /r9k/ have made their way over to Sup Forums

Feminists don't want sexy strong women, they want ugly strong women that don't need no man and preferable fuck women but not attractive women, the women they fuck have to be ugly as well. You think I'm kidding? Go ask Sup Forums about it. Comics have been ruined by this shit.

Do you people bitch about everything? Who fucking cares what snowflakes write on their blog? Go shitpost about a shitty movie not some shitty SJW blog.

hi

But... they love the new WW movie...

The big secret is they're never actually offended by any of this shit, they just want to feel social power by shaming people into apologizing and spreading propaganda that society is so bigoted.

this
it's pure cultural marxism

>a balanced perspective on Feminism
>you must be from Tumblr!!

Could you be anymore childish?

Do they? They complained that WW didn't have hairy armpits and that she was too "naive" to consent to having sex with Steve making it "literally rape." They may like the movie but it's still problematic as hell for them.

They're supporting it through gritted teeth because it's a means to an end.

Feminists generally want women appreciated as more than just sex objects. To Joss Whedon, whose every female character comes from his personal spank bank, women are just sex objects. In Joss Whedon's script, Wonder Woman's accomplishments are always underscored by how sexy and hot Whedon finds a physically strong woman. It's never enough that she can deflect bullets and throw tanks and kill gods, he has to focus of how "beautiful and sexy" she is. The whole thing comes off as though it's some kind of fanfic written with one hand.

Look at it another way: in a script for a Superman movie, you're not going to hear a ton of descriptions about how big his junk is and how fucking sexy his six-pack is and what a tight ass he has. It's going to be about his heroics. It's going to be about him as a character.

Hell, remember when a gay director did zoom in shots on Batman and Robin's ass and crotch, and had nipples on their batsuits? Remember how people freaked the fuck out over that?

Well, are you or not?
In any case, that's not a balanced perspective, because most self-described feminists really are this unhinged. It's not just a few crazies.

What's good?

>that's not a balanced perspective
My perspective was that yes, you can "win with these people" in response to OP. Joss Whedon lays down for Feminists at every opportunity, but when it comes to actually understanding Feminist ideals he gets about as far as 'sexy women being bad ass' - your average teenage boy.

Also, I think you would be surprised how many women either identify as feminists or at least have core feminist ideals.

The creator of WW wrote about her being sexy and kept having her get captured and tied up because it turned him on. Whedon is literally capturing the origin of the character.

I'm not a woman, not a feminist, not from any of those sites.

It sounds like you expect everyone here to just blindly and mindlessly agree with you, and can't countenance the very idea that people might disagree with you. If that's the case, Sup Forums isn't the website for you. I recommend you try Reddit, as I hear it's exactly that sort of thing that would fit your special needs.

Agreed. See

You understand, most women actually want to insert themselves into the role of the pretty girl? It turns them on, imagining that they are this hot and that a hot guy is salivating over her hotness?
It doesn't work the same way with male roles because men often just experience the movie for what it is, which is why a male hero doesn't need to be salivated over.
Joss isn't writing to feminists because they are such a low part of the market. He is writing to normal women which is why he spends time on appreciating the woman's beauty. And the male audience will also be satisfied with seeing hot girls like that too.
And deep down, whatever feminists may claim, they will be aroused by the movie too, no matter how much they claim otherwise. It's the movie everyone wants, you're not gonna change biology.
However, where you can make a feminist stance is how strong the female character is, and Joss always does a good job with that.

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Why are you here reddit?

Why exactly does 'capturing the origin of the character' matter?

Most Superheroes have been added to over time. The Hulk doesn't leap continents anymore and Superman's power has been significantly down-scaled. It just seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

I'm still not sure how many of those people are sincere and how many were concern trolling. Poe's law in full fucking effect there.

>>a balanced perspective on Feminism

How is being an extremist SJW "balanced"?

Right. Like what do feminists expect, for him to insert a bunch of fringe feminist diatribes in a mainstream super hero flick? That's not how you win people over in a movie like this, and there's no market for it.
He does more than he's obligated to with these movies.

Not all Feminists are extremist SJWs, though. The ones that disagree with Joss Whedon are pretty regular.

>Why exactly does 'capturing the origin of the character' matter?
It really doesn't matter all that much. It's just kind of a funny aside.

>Signed - a strong woman with the cock and balls you only wish you had
Um...what?

Exactly, I find it amusing that WW, the feminist icon, was originally created as erotic fanfic by a guy into hot girls and bondage and that Whedon is getting heat for writing a script in that same manner.

Appeasing Liberals is like... Okay, allow me to do a thing these hip young progressives do and base reality off of cartoons and children's movies. If their lives can be viewed through the lens of Harry Potter and Star Wars, than my comparison can be understood by them.

Appeasing liberals is like that episode of Spongebob Squarepants where they're running away after stealing balloons, and Patrick demands a candy bar because he's hungry. Patrick in this situation is the Liberal, and the candy bar is the appeasement. You remember what happens when Patrick ravenously consumes the candy bar? He accuses Spongebob of never giving him a candy bar even though everything points to him giving it, and demands another candy bar.

That is the modern Liberal left. They're Patrick Star.

This is just bizarre. The weird sexual arousal part aside, Whedon isn't writing to normal women at all. He's creating characters and narratives for himself, which all good writers do to some extent.

The problem is he's not really a Feminist, so the characters end up being a strange male masturbatory fantasy. I honestly wouldn't mind it so much, if he wasn't so insistent on being this great women's rights activist.

Femism goal is just tearing civilization apart
they will only shut up when the muslims they have imported make them slaves

They are a religious cult. Go against their dogma and they will wish to see you stoned for heresy. Truly broken individuals.

Yeah, it is pretty funny. It's like how the model for Rosie the Riveter quit her job as a riveter after a couple of weeks because she was a cellist and didn't want to ruin her hands.

>These people
Women or progressives?
Because either either way, no.

No most women are aroused by hot men drooling over hot women they can an relate to and insert themselves into. This is standard.
He isn't making them strong to fulfill some weird fantasy , that's completely separate from the sexual part. He's doing for a different reason, that is to make a relatable, empowered female (we can debate how relatable the character really is but that's his intent).
He has two different agendas here but people like you think they're one and the same and that's why it comes off as some weird masturbatory fetish.

Would it surprise you to know that most women aren't going to watch a film to get aroused? I mean, what the actual fuck?

>He is writing to normal women
Joss Whedon writes for Joss Whedon. It's all just his weird sexual fantasies.

>some weird masturbatory fetish
It comes off as "some weird masturbatory fetish" because that's all it is.

S E N S I T I V E

>unironically defending Joss Whedon

I'll take anything that can help me shit on the guy, even if it's rabid feminists

Looka dis dood..

Oh man, he was right.

This is like Christmas.

link to script?

Did he ever respond to the criticism? I find nothing on his twitter.

this isn't real my brain is refusing to accept this as real

No. Only gullible white males think otherwise.

Can you ever post a link to the god damned article in the OP? kill yourself

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>Bill Maher recently apologized and it saved his career.
Maybe with his main Looney af base but I've lost all respect for him as a moderate.

No they're not. Reasonable feminists are concerned with third world treatment of women. They're not concerned with corporate super hero schlock.
Kill yourself, you slug.

>Bill Maher recently apologized and it saved his career

Only because he's on HBO which isn't controlled by advertisers. If Maher's show had been on a advertiser funded network, his comments would have caused advertisers to pull out and the network to cancel his show.

Dude, they outright say that their goal is dismantling the systems of opression, those systems being everything from laws, to social services, social order down to the structure of family.
In what world is this surprising?
Socialists don't exist to make anyone's life better, they are just out to destroy.

Except you still want to vote for the politicians who will pander to these people so you'll advance their agenda, vote conservative, nor not at all, or you're no better than they are.

No. It is impossible to please everybody. Hollywood used to know this... but the current trend of movies shows they have forgotten.

Why do they even pay attention to this kind of shit?

Joss should;d literally be praised as a God by liberals for what he did with Buffy, instead they crucified him for that one scene in avengers with blackwidow being infertile, and now this.

fuck sakes i wanted to be in a good mood today

>you would be surprised how many women either identify as feminists or at least have core feminist ideals

Yes, every year less and less of them. In us it is 18% and sharply declining and in Britain less than 8%. In eastern Europe it is no one, because they already had to deal with socialist swines and can sniff out their word salad from afar.
And the only reason why the number of harpies is not lower is because the feminists will viciously bully anyone who don't tow the line.
You think people don't see that feminists are silent as mice pissing in the cotton when it comes to violence against women in Western Europe.
Feminists are not pro women, they are anti-west.

>Bill maher career was spared by hbo executives.

Fixed.

"Feminists"
I think you mean a few nut jobs on the internet

HORK HORK HORK

>Standards demands.

Fucking roasties are in no position to demand anything.
Specially since they suck the fun out of everything.

>Joss is huge in creating modern feminist culture
>these feminists grow up and eat him alive

>By Heat Street

Honestly who writes this shit and where do you find it. Occasionally my phone will pull these random ass stories for me too and I really do not know what the fuck kind of algorithms it's using to source this shit. It's like it specifically targets the most nonsensical sensationalist bullshit website and goes "now this, this is the shit I've been looking for".

>true liberal
>voting

you either die a hero

At first. Now they just want a WOC superhero, or at least a less-privileged actress in the role