How do leftists from your country portrait Venezuela?

How do leftists from your country portrait Venezuela?

Here they just ignore it and say everything is US fault.

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I wish we could do something against socialists...

We can this year

Everyone but the farthest and most authoritarian left says it's a shithole due to chavism and greed.

They don't blame socialist ideas... I expected that.

Venezuela should be annexed by Spain and granted Spanish citizenship, education will be free, and wages will increase to Spanish levels, rent will be controlled at maximum price and the streets will be cleaned and ordered by new administrators.

But Spain nowadays is full of socialists too. It wouldn't help them.

shittiest hole in south America probly

Mainstream leftists just ignore Venezuela, for example you will never see the CBC report on the chaos in that country. We do have wackier fringe leftists, like some of the bloggers who write for the Huffington Post, who actively defend it.

I'm not even impressed

Most of the "new" commies worked for Chavez an Maduro, they think is great and we should follow their steps
Haiti and El Salvador are worst I think, not sure

the same way righties portray nazi germany or the middle east
different from them

>socialism = people's ownership of the means of production
>means of production need a direction (SOMEONE, SOMEHOW has to manage them, otherwise you'd have thousands of workers wanting their say in how to use them)
>the people of Venezuela democratically elect a bunch of people to MANAGE the means of production
>fails
>totally not socialism, bro!

Helicopter rides are too merciful for you idiots

Do they teach about domino theory in Brazil?

>Here they just ignore it and say everything is US fault.
Same. And it's same about any other failed socialist state.

Some see it as what the US should aspire to be to promote "income equality," but most don't really give a shit or know anything about it.

Here the leftists say that their left is completely different and better than Venezuela's.

fuck off indio, we already have enough sudacas and enough problems of our own

>venezuelan
>through a lot of hardship in one of the shittiest years of my entire life i managed to save enough money to buy a plane ticket to chile
>finally arrive
>shit goes down in 'zuela
>shitton of protests
>the president of the chilen communist party comments on the situation
>"maduro dindu nuffin, hes a good boy"

thank god piñera won

take this advice chilebros, if you see commies defending that bullshit that is happening right now in venezuela, is because they are planning to do the same thing in chile if they ever win

lol, they all say the same fucking thing

youtube.com/watch?v=dUQ7coj8H8k

all commies follow the same script

We are so anticommunist that even left wing says Venezuela shouldn't be repeated and ignores it totally.

Also, they deny is a dictatorship but implicitly admit government is shit.

>Here they just ignore it and say everything is US fault.

Same.

Just add that when police repress it's OPRESSION, REPRESSION, DICTATORSHIP.... But when the venezuelan police literally kills people, they don't say anything.

I'm laughing as fuck

Socialists in the US like to just pretend that failed socialist states (like Venezuela) don't exist and larp about "Muh Scandinavian socialism" (even though they have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world lol)

The burger socialist is a special breed of retard

Families are taxed way more tho, specially Denmark.

>Families are taxed way more tho, specially Denmark.

I know. It's part of why having a dialogue with millennial socialists here is impossible. They want low personal/family taxes and high corporate tax rates, because they think that is "how socialism works", but fail to acknowledge that countries that follow that model are overwhelmingly shit-tier.

Any nordic here to confirm if they are "socialist"?

>Any nordic here to confirm if they are "socialist"?

Going by the real definition of classic run of the mill state "socialism", no they aren't. But in burger land when people talk about socialism they use it to describe nations with more generous social safety nets (they coin this the nordic model).

Although to be fair, the average burger has no background or understanding of economics/finance on any sort of macro level so it's not really their fault they fall so hard for "feel the bern" propaganda. This is of course by (((design))).

Ignored or they blame it on America

""""""socialists"""""" in Europe are basically just neoliberal capitalists who like a welfare state who got cucked by unions at some point with the exception of guys like Corbyn.

even our lefties want to actually close off the access to our country in Cucuta because there's up to 60 thousand venezuelans coming here every day for the past year or so and they're straight up affecting the economy of Norte de Santander.

Kek. You are being invaded by Venezuelans too.

but scandinavian socialism is just social democracy it is NOT real socialism, thats why it works

Venezuelan genocide when?

god i knew this would happen, now the disgusting slumrats are pouring out and giving the rest of us 'zuelans a bad name

next time you walk past some of those retards ask them how many of them voted for either maduro or chavez more than once

everyone who says me should be shot and have its corpse deported

i might be venezuelan, but i have no sympathy for that scum, they should go back to rot and let us middle class/high class folks leave and actually have a decent life outside

HAHAHAHAHHA

You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar

>for example you will never see the CBC report on the chaos in that country.

You're so full of shit it's astounding, they've had articles on it's collapse all year long

Can you right wing retards ever argue without completely making up everything?

they support Maduro

hey look, it's the trumptard brazilian user

The small leftist groups that do exist here say they support the Revolution and ignore all the shit that has happened to Venezuela because of that meme.

But pretty much no one takes them seriously.

>SOMEONE, SOMEHOW has to manage them, otherwise you'd have thousands of workers wanting their say in how to use them
>implying ownership=management

sounds like your analysis needs a bit more nuance

>social-democracy
>not real socialism

¿Entonces que chucha es la internacional?
¿que chucha es el revisionismo historico del marxismo y la interminable pelea entre socialistas marxistas y no marxistas?
¿El estudio genero/especie del socialismo desde los movimientos más moderados a los más extremos?


Para la otra me dices que el laborismo britanico y el partido laborista ingles tampoco pertenecen al genero/especie del socialismo europeo, asi le perforai el riñon izquierdo a Tony Blair.

>mainstream leftists
>CBC
>wackier fringe leftists
>Huffington Post
If you think center-right is left and center-left is far left, meeting an actual leftist would probably shatter your world to pieces.

>Here they just ignore it and say everything is US fault.
Is it not true?

the commies say the same shit the center left says only in a meaner way

That's because there's no genuine socialist or communist political figures in the US that actually want full blown socialism. There's just social-democrats, who want there to be much more social programs offered and covered, like in Scandi nations, while there still be a capitalist economy. Actual Socialist and Communist seen elsewhere don't give a shit about settling for 'just fair economic opportunities'--their end game is drastic wealth reallocation even if the basic needs of the poorest are already meant for ideological reasons.
Neoliberals are against the welfare state.

One wants to reform capitalism and the other wants to end it. Their goals are mutually exclusive and they see each other as enemies.

No, it's not the US fault that Venezuela didn't diversify it's industries while having a very centralized economic system that was vulnerable to shattering once if it's biggest industry (oil drilling) ever went under from falling prices (which is what happen). It isn't the US fault that the Venezuelan government enforced that most law-abiding industries and commercial businesses to sell basic products at a fixed low amount, regardless if the government sufficiently subsidizes them to do so if the demand for those products balloons, and not barge in anyway, causing a large black market that most people to get most of their daily necessities from now. It's not the US fault that Venezuala fixes their currency exchange to be at a certain unrealistic rate which no one actually trades for, for autistic reasons, and not adjusting to varying economic conditions, while also forcing the entire country to obey around the exchange rate and price limitations. There's some room for argument that any possible US sanction against them hasn't helped their economic condition, but their current state is entirely from their retarded economic policies.

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You don't know what socialism is. Why are you Americans so fucking pig-ignorant when it comes to economic systems?

cuando la gente habla de socialismo obviamente hablan del socialismo marxista, el resto es simplemente social democracia

no tengo nada contra la social democracia, ha funcionado en algunos paises

prefer not to talk about it

>Lo que la gente habla.

Allí esta tu problema, de vuelta a la academia (si es que estudias c.pol) y si no, pues a la biblioteca.

>Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy

>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity

>

>You don't know what socialism is.

This is what every jackass socialist always says which shouldn't be supersizing I guess since you have to be a jackass to be into socialism since every socialist country that has ever existed has been a horrific shithole.

You have 10 seconds to explain to me how Venezuela is a stateless, classless, moneyless society where the workers control the means of production in a democratic manner.
NOTE:
The following things do not count as explanations:
-Sob stories
-Anecdotal evidence
-Strawmen
-Personal attacks
-Helicopter memes
-And any other non-arguments you can think of.
Now go ahead. I'm waiting.

>stateless, classless, moneyless society
That's communism not socialism. But yes Venezuela is neither.

It's the kikes fault because Venezuela wouldn't give in. I admire Chavez's huge fucking balls. Sadly, they, along with Russia, China, North Korea, China and Iran are the only ones in the world who dare stand instead of kneeling.