>In the space of two runs, she's gone from literally who to international superhero with sidekicks >she goes to space and space stations regularly >She's able to destroy super tanks with ease
God damn it, Marvel. I know the second a character becomes popular you want to slap her on literally everything you can to sell her, but you're really missing the point on what made her such a good character in the first place. The 'omg I'm such a naive fan girl' act starts getting really unbelievable when she's regularly hanging out with A-listers and going to space to fight monsters. This is pretty frustrating. Kamala works so much better in small-scale, independent stories. I'm ok with her becoming a massively popular character within the universe and working with bigger heroes, but it needed to be over time, so she could continue to grow organically into someone who does that.
Jose Parker
We knew it wouldn't last.
Mason White
>destroy a super tank with ease Never underestimate the power of prep time. She just fought the guy, not the tank btw.
Grayson Parker
Yeah but my god it was fast. God damn I hate Big 2. Just let her be local and small for a while as she matures as a hero, with small, short-lasting team-ups with other heroes until she grows and matures as a character/person. She didn't even really believe that it was going to happen, though. Also, she fought a guy IN a tank, who happened to be using it
William Thompson
Nobody else wants to discuss this? Are these problems with the direction just me being knitpicky?
Asher Roberts
Its early go back to bed.
Tyler Myers
I can't think of anything to say other than I agree that it's all happening a bit too fast.
Oliver Lopez
I have a job. There is nowhere for me to escape but here There's always shipping
Lucas Nguyen
I'm not a fan her being elevated so soon especially since I have not enjoyed this volume as much as the last. However she stays generally grounded in her book, it is in Avengers where everything gets weird. It seems odd they went this route since Willow seemed set on keeping Kamala small time and in jersey in the early interviews. Maybe the if that cover of Kamala, miles, and Sam burning their avengers cards means something and it probably doesn't we will get her back to how she was.
Daniel Nguyen
I doubt it. I have a feeling that Marvel REALLY pushed (re: forced) for her to start doing crossovers and getting in to everything that they could possibly slap her onto in order to drive sales. If she wanted her to remain small-time, I wonder why Willow decided to go to the Big 2 with Kamala, instead of working on a webcomic or smaller publisher where she'd have more control over her creation?
John Powell
I really want her to quit the avengers and then have Willow flesh out her rouges. These canadian ninjas could be cool. Bring back Edison (and that guy behind him) too.
Charles Martin
I agree, putting her on t,he Avengers so soon was a mistake( ANAD Avengers in general was a mistake). Instead I would have gone with a training arc with Carol, since their relationship could use more development and then making her interact with other heroes( I liked how Willow used Miles, he didn't feel too forced to be there). Kamala would also benefit from having some new villains introduced
Samuel Campbell
Agreed - she needed at least another 4-5 runs to establish her own thing. She has no Rogue's Gallery except for the bird and no-name ninjas. Bruno turning into a mad scientist antagonist may have been a good route. I don't know about training with Carol (my bias because I'm not a big Carol fan), but training with another hero is definitely a good point. Her BEING a sidekick before she gained some no-namers as sidekicks would have been a less awkward transition. Street level hero interactions at most. I enjoyed how she reacted to violence and death when she was with wolverine-interacting with different heroes with different opinions on violence and the escalation may be interesting. More than anything though, the story was interesting when it was about HER and HER struggles with her family, with her school life, etc. How the fuck does she find time to be an AVENGER and still being in high school, for fuck's sake.
Elijah Lopez
Those sidekicks are Carol sleepers since Carol doesn't trust Kamala.
Henry Campbell
How the hell did she skip right pass Avengers Academy to playing with the big boys?
She has zero experience fighting super villains worth a damn. Her powers are "Mr. Fantastic but less". She tried grabbing RADIOACTIVE MAN and acted surprise when she burned herself.
What the fuck is the vetting process on the Avengers? I mean, can someone challenge her for her membership? Name one legit super villian that she could beat one on one. ONE.
Cameron Myers
What? What kind of cabal is Carol running if she has sleeper agents working for her? God damn it why do I have to read every rink-a-dink title to know what the context of a SINGULAR character's run is That's just bad writing. all-new avengers is fucking garbage, Kamala is not that dumb
Brandon Myers
>She tried grabbing RADIOACTIVE MAN and acted surprise when she burned herself. 1 in fighting skills user
There is no in story reason for her to be their she has been a hero for less time than even Sam and Miles. She doesn't have experience with big threats, the most she had was Thomas "the bird" Edison.
Ayden Parker
Kamala Khan for Captain
Angel Edwards
>What? What kind of cabal is Carol running if she has sleeper agents working for her? That is just an Assumption, this is the first time those kids have shown up. It is just odd that Carol would know of some random upstart heroes that are completely unaffiliated with anyone and still trusted enough to know about Ulysses. They must be working for someone.
Luis Miller
It's almost as if Kamala Khan is an author (well, editor in this case) self-insert Mary Sue.
Owen Baker
what book is this from and where can i get this?
Asher Lewis
There is not having experience and there is trying to grab RADIOACTIVE MAN with your bare hands
Liam Howard
ITT shit tier SJW character is pushed to A-List status to enable a movie and placate minorities and feminazis.
Character is everything that is wrong with comics currently.
Charles Sanchez
As I understood that, those are just some undergrads who burn to build up a police state. Which is why she put Kamala in there as muscle. She is basically the trainee put in charge of the interns.
Samuel Green
Don't forget that he's glowing green and her teammates remark that they can feel the heat from where they're standing next to her.
I'm serious. Is there any other super hero as totally inept and inexperienced as Kamala? Was there ever in the history of comic book capes a character that so didn't deserve to be on a super team?
Jacob Parker
All new all different Marvel universe, it came out in may.
Lucas Cox
That was in a shitty fcbd short, though. Don't try and build an argument just on that.
Sebastian Taylor
aw snap, thanks
Isaiah Cox
>ITT shit tier SJW character is pushed to A-List status to enable a movie and placate minorities and feminazis. Character is everything that is wrong with comics currently.
THIS X 10000000000000000000000000000000
Liam Nguyen
That's all things she herself remarked on last issue because she went to space twice and one of those was just a meeting in orbit. She doesn't really have sidekicks, either. She leads small group of students who are basically just doing assistant management shit, while she fights low-lowest level crime in Jersey. Her latest foes are Canadian nationalists in crocs, a potential liquor-store 6robber and Josh the jock's front door.
Jack Roberts
>That's all things she herself remarked on last issue because she went to space twice and one of those was just a meeting in orbit.
Just beacuse the book talks about it too it doesn't mean that is not a bad thing and that the book is losing its direction into generic.
Like, now that she is going to space she is startting to feel moe like Nova
Isaiah Davis
Her visit in space with Nova was actually used to contrast the two.
Wyatt Miller
>big two >small-scale They don't even know what that means anymore. Absolutely everything must be epic and world-shattering now.
Isaiah Sanchez
Except the movie is Captain Marvel, aka Carol Danvers, not brown princes.
Asher Phillips
Kamala is dope, though. There is almost no SJW pandering, and this is coming from a legit /r/redpill guy who sees it in almost everything else. Just a good character with a good writer...unless you're talking about whomever wrote the all new all different avengers.
Asher Gray
Yeah, but going from literally who to avenger to astronaut in a year when she was the smallest of the small-fry without much buildup is just so rushed and awful.
Isaac Gomez
She's gotten at least 16 months experience from the multiple timeskips (Time Runs Out+Post SW) alongside her inception from her first appearance in Captain Marvel
Luis Jenkins
Which is unbelievably retarded. When half the fun of the new character is watching them develop, why would you time jump past that development??
Mason Davis
I don't really see a problem with ANADA, either. The writing isn't great or very enagging, but it's servicable enough. Also, if you really look at the things GWW is writing here, she contradicts SJW logic and ideology at every turn. For example, that wedding of Aamir's is pure cultural appropriation. Also nobody is condemned for their race, gender, sexual orientation etc. Everyone who behaves like a dick is shown as a dick.
And Kamala is never absolved from falling for Kamran. But she is not blamed, either. The moment when he tries to force her into his supremacist movement is a deep internal conflict that stems from a flaw of her teenage psychology. She wants to follow that impressive, forceful guy, wants to avoid conflict. Here you see her weakness. But she is not a victim. She doesn't buckle and then cry about it online. She draws upon her moral principles to resist and she does the sensible thing. She calls for help from the white man and stages a fighting retreat.
This is fundamentally different from shit like USG. She does not at all have any kind of moral high ground, does not talk down to anyone or win through GRRLPOWER. Nobody around her is berated or overly PC. She tries, she fails, she keeps going and she comes through in the end, never afraid to get help when she fucked up. In these... 27 issues, she called in help from Bruno on three separate occasions at least, was helped out by Carol and Tony twice each, and even accepted support from Loki, who was later called in a second time by Bruno via the mighty ritual of hipster Viking summoning. This is not a victim-by-definition who doesn't accept responsibility. Quite the opposite. He failings are mostly due to accepting too much reponsibility. She holds herself to a high standard. Too high to reach, often enough. She wants to save everyone and everything, and then magical Kamala-golems destroy the city because she tries to menage three lives at once. Easy-peasy.
Tyler Allen
I wasn't saying ANADA was social justice-y, I was saying it has mediocre (at best) writing.
There are elements of social justice and tolerance and all that in ms marvel, but they're the kind that most people-even a borderline Sup Forumstard like myself-don't mind or can even agree with. Kamala isn't perfect, and her run never runs into any holier-than-thou attitudes, which is what I can't stand about SJW and their writings.
Leo Rodriguez
Ms. Marvel was fine in her first run and that was extremely small-scale. This run's beginning was ramping it up, but at a pretty good pace until recently. The move to put her on the Avengers was shitty, but they were still playing it well until the last issue.
Benjamin Russell
Time Runs Out wasn't really a timeskip for anything but the Avengers books. The point of TRO was that it was skipping 8 months of PUBLICATION TIME, so that it could skip ahead to the few days before the Final Incursion happened, while all the other books filled in the gap.
Remember that there was no timeskip in Ms. Marvel itself, and her last arc happened during the Final Incursion.
Post-SW is a straight up timeskip though, which is why she goes from a random Z-lister from Jersey in the first volume, to an A-lister on the Avengers in the second volume, since there was 8 months between the two where she was superheroing and making a name for herself.
Gabriel Diaz
>If she wanted her to remain small-time, I wonder why Willow decided to go to the Big 2 with Kamala, instead of working on a webcomic or smaller publisher where she'd have more control over her creation? Because Kamala was actually created by Marvel, not Willow. Sana, the editor, suggested the character and then Willow got hired to write the comic. You are asumming Kamala was made with artistic intentions, but even if Willow had a vision for the character, she was obviously going to follow Marvel's orders.
Nathaniel Anderson
Ah, you were just a bit sloppy with terminology, then. Because what you describe is liberal, democratic values of mutual tolerance and social justice in a broad sense of non-discrimination. These things are often muddled, but it is very important to make the distinction between liberal, individualistic ideas that anyone in the West would accept as common-sense, and the authoritarian, collectivist ideas SJWs represent.
You see, the reason you can accept Ms Marvel but not Squirrel Girl (in her own book, anyway), is fundamentally the value system behind each of those books. One of them us about a girl who has a personality formed by various influences, leading her to judge others and herself by what they do. The other is about a potato-shaped woman-child who constructs herself and others from a set of identities, and judges people by their degree of ideological compatibility while preaching from moral high ground.
Leo Morris
you are both so blind. Her very costume is social justicy - The face that she is totally covered up and one step away from wearing a nijab is a subtle statement against all other super heroines. "I am pure and chaste, and you are not"
This book needs to be over. Yesterday.
Samuel Perry
Shit characters tend to have shit character arcs too.
John Mitchell
Kamala is Sana Amanat's self-insert. The character was created/suggested by hear and a the details of Kamala's non-costume life are culled from Amanat's childhood/teenage years. She's a fucking self-insert Mary Sue fanfic character.
Kamala sucks and her fans are pure cancer.
Daniel Gomez
What Kamala needs is an actual Rogues Gallery.
Hunter Young
So who will play Ms. Marvel in the inevitable Porn Parody?
Grayson Diaz
...
Jayden White
If the most recent arcs are any proof, Marvel would rather keep Kamala as her own worst enemy than actually give her some.
David Lee
Well a lot of Peter's arcs were about that. There is some good story material there.
Jack Gray
Mia Khalifa.
Dylan Roberts
Yeah, but it gets boring after a while. You need to have deep introspection interspersed with clashes with characters that define you, either by their being your total opposite, or a mirror of yourself that has taken a different path, and anywhere in between. This is a good analysis, I can see we think alike. Ms. Marvel is the story of a person growing up experiencing things that a lot of people grow up experiencing, especially immigrants, and finding the differences and parallels between the worlds in which she lives is a big part of what makes her story interesting. It's not approached in a condescending way, in which if you don't like it you just don't get it, and if you do like it you can just smile and chuckle with the author and shake your head at the previously mentioned group because you DO get it. One is the story related by experiences of a person, while the other is a story shouted down from a platform, which you're either on or you're not. Her hero is a person who wore sexy costumes for ages. She doesn't feel the need to, and likes the connection it gives her to her heritage. Pride in one's heritage is not inherently wrong.
Ian Hall
It's mostly due to the fact that there's nothing really to dicuss.
Marvel just wants money, they don't give a damn what the method is unless it affects their sales.
Evan Thompson
I guess you're right. This is just me venting my frustrations as a book I really enjoy devolves in quality so precipitously
Sebastian Roberts
This
Liam Thompson
will she change her name after her heart is broken?
Andrew Wright
all in the game yo
Xavier Cooper
Of course not. She just decides to follow Karla Sofen.
Blake Miller
America doesn't have the balls to do a porn parody of an underage heroine. And Japan (who do this stuff all the time) doesn't know her. Not happenin' bruv.
Logan Adams
Won't happen. Kamala is right now getting ready to fight Carol over a friend she knows to be innocent. She will make a point about deferring your morality and judgement to higher power, as a subtle religious twist. She will think about throwing her name away, but will ultimately hold on to it, trying to give it positive meaning by defining it through her own actions.
Julian Barnes
Here's what you do. Post civil war 2 you have black falcon realize shits too serious for these kids to be in the avengers. We go back to heavy hitters and remove Sam Kamala and miles. Then start a new series. Spiderman and his amazing friend's. But instead of peter Parker with icefag and firewhatever we have Sam and Kamala teamed up with miles. Each story dealing with stuff too big for any one of them to handle In their respective home towns but not avengers size.
Chase Garcia
Christ (err Allah) people need to fucking learn what a Mary sue is
Angel Moore
convert to gwenpool
Nolan Nelson
Nova just spoiling it for the others by not being impressed cos he goes to space all the time was wonderful.
Asher Rogers
When will she feel ready to adopt the classic black and gold suit? They teased it in her very first issue and I personally cannot wait for delicious chocolate thighs.
Christian Davis
Hopefully never. Bathing suit with thigh highs is stupid as a costume
Parker Rogers
>Kamala works so much better in small-scale, independent stories. Then stick to reading her ongoing. Team books deal with bigger threats, wow big surprise. 70s tiara-toting H4H Luke Cage was on the fucking Defenders, man.
Gavin Lee
Fuck beat me to it >Ms. Moonstone OH SHIT NO BETTER YET >Ms. Mystique
Gavin Russell
You´d be hard pressed to find any character in any medium that isn´t based on someone from the authors life. Willow sprinkled a lot of her personal problems with Islam into Kamalas dialogue.
Easton Nelson
Are you saying that Mystique could take Kamala in and teach her how to master her shapeshifting, making her a mistress of disguise?