Transformers General - Sins of the Wreckers 5

anyone gonna story time this?

Evidendtly not

Ok, let's go.

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>THE SPARK

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This one kinda lost me.

So some characters died, some are presumed dead for now, Springer had a secret identity, Verity recovered miraculously and Prowl might end up on trial. The End.

Yeah, this was nowhere near as good as LSotW.

Take a look at the tire in the bottom right, btw.

When does this comic take place, because if I'm not mistaken, in one of the other Transformers comics, Optimus just sent Arcee to hunt down Galvatron.

I did not like it.

The whole mini felt cramped, the pacing was insanely fast and characters were just dropeed into the story necause the story needed them (Springer being magically well, because others needed him, is the best example). Deaths had little emotional impact for both readers and characters. Fuck, they shoved Ironfist's dead body in out faces to play on our emotions, because they could not replicate the sense of loss from LSOW so hey, let's go for a cheap shot! Flashbacks fucking everywhere, instead of telling a story here and now in an established setting. It does not compare to the LSOTW in any way (where there was a clear setting with a beginning, middle and end, here is a mess), everything about the main plot points is either blurry or ambiguous and seems like half oh the action happens offscreen (Verity is healed! Stakeout got crushed!) and it's hard to place it chronologically with the main continuity. Oh, and pseudo science babble EVERYWHERE, half the dialogue is EXPLANATIONS and then more EXPLANATIONS.

It was a mess with no emotional depth, fabricating most of the actual story with tedious flashbacks and present time being little more than a battlefield. All those words words words, and you still can barely tell why things are happening. And those titular sins? Roadbuster was a psycho killer! Guzzle is crazy and wants revenge on Kup and Prowl (pretty inderstandable if you ask me)! Arcee was crazy and acted as Prowls lackey! Kup was crazy and killed some dudes! Impactor kills guys when they pose a threat! Prowl is a manipultive asshole and a ruthless monster! All those are things we either knew about long before or were done by people clearly not well of mind. If we count Prowl out, this should have been called "The GUILT of the Wreckers".

Oh, and what was Tarantulas' real goal? Revenge? Revealing the truth about Prowl? Experiments? Who cares, here's another crazy science machine and two pages of explanations what it does!

A fizz with no bang.

Two pages that could have helped with the godawful pacing? Fuck that, make 'em solid black!

SOMEWHERE. Seriously, there was no time for that shit, Arcee was busy every single second since OP took his crew back to Earth.

How can we make it kore ambiguous than it already was? ERASE THE WORDS! Genious! Now nobody has any idea what the fuck is going on!

Oh, nice catch.

To be honest, if I did not read any TF comics before, I'd have trouble telling who is the bad guy and why. This whole thing was a mess.

Okay, so why did he keep repeating "Rule" over and over. I know it was part of the catchphrase "Wreck and Rule," but was it a way of keeping time in his head till the blast? Was he answering an increasingly insane Springer? Was he just repeatedly psyching himself up?

Basically, he and Springer were testing their connection. If they stopped hearing the other, they assumed they were the only one alive, so to blow things up.

Also, are you going to storytime Transformers vs GI Joe?

Are you even able to?

They couldn't, you dumbass. IDW only does 20 page comics like most other publishers--it only adds extra ones, like those two, when they use no new art at all.

Tell that to Transformers vs GI Joe #13. 43 pages.

Not a standard issue and not relevant.

You couldn't tell the massive spider creature everyone was fighting was the bad guy?

>SOMEWHERE. Seriously, there was no time for that shit, Arcee was busy every single second since OP took his crew back to Earth.
Except for the scene in #44 where Jetfire greets Arcee and Kup after they get back from somewhere. Not very hard to figure out.

This user obviously isn't the brightest tool in the shed.

*Except for the scene in #45

It was alright but it definitely wasn't as great as LSOTW.

It definitely fell flat.

I don't get why Kup and Arcee didn't just drag Prowl back with them, I get they hate him but he is still a wanted fugitive. Was it cause he rescued Springer?

then again whatever will happen in the MTMTE portion of Titans Returns needs Prowl in it.

since Impactor's joined up with the Mayhem, I can see a future sequel being Mayhem of the Wreckers.

I'm glad Verity and Springer are fine at least. I wonder what they are doing while All Hail Optimus is going on,

Hopefully staying out of things. At least until the multicrossover event.

I could see them showing up in Action Man or something, as cameos.

Maybe they'll help ROM kill some Dire Wraiths.

So it's now canon that humans and cybertronians can have children.

The end is here.

What the fuck are you talking about

Transformers vs GI Joe. Brawn and Cover Girl get married. And are having a kid.

I assume this.

Seems like a good time to post the newest version of this. I'm rereading IDW G1 and making corrections along the way. Just finished Shadowplay.

That's only one offshoot side-canon, it doesn't affect all others. That would be like saying the fact that the Autobots could fly in the pilot of G1 means they can fly in Animated.

>Brawn and Cover Girl

....What.

Not, like, how was that possible--they explain it. But, uh, where did they ever show attraction to each other?

Still a damn fine finale, though.

>believing anything in that acidtrip of a comic carries over to anything else

And what a trip it was.

Meanwhile, it's a damn good thing you left the door open for more Tarantulas, Roche. Or I would have been mad.

I can't help feeling I needed to see inside Impactor's head more. A lot of the choices he made in this series would have benefited from getting some context on what he was thinking at the time.

My only other issue is that I felt the final bit was Guzzle needed a bit more setup and was resolved a bit too quickly. I get that Guzzle was unstable - that was set up well enough. I understood his reasoning, but the timing of it, and him just being done with and moved on didn't sit right with me.

I think he's more just saying that the precedent had now been set. Even if this is an offshoot, it's been done now and could in theory inspire/legitimize more.

So did they ever show what came of Arcee meeting the Camien's and understanding what was the same and what was different about their "she" with her "she"?

Kinda lost but who is she sitting on?

I'm not sure if attraction was shown, but they did interact quite a bit.

She met them briefly at the end of DC. She basically said, "huh, I don't really feel anything" and that they were really not the same as her (being that they were naturally female, while she had it forced onto her in the worst way possible.

Either way, from a meta-level I think they just want to get past all that and just have females as normal. Arcee still has a damaged past, but it's more about the torture/trauma than specifically the "I'm different" thing now.

Springer.

Notice anything near that 'End' box?

I didn't realize until someone pointed it out, but it's Springer. I guess that's how they confirmed he got out.

No, because there's no difference about any innate qualities of their gender, only in how they came to be. The titan colonies* simply continued having multiple genders naturally, while Arcee was vivisectioned/brainwashed to change her into female. Arcee's since accepted the change anyway.

*Remember: Cybertron is the odd one out when it comes to gender, not any one of the colonies)

I really don't get what they're trying to imply with Impactor now. Is he going to be a bad guy?

There are no good guys and bad guys in war. Only soldiers fighting for the interests of others.

I felt like that could have used a little more explanation. I don't quite see how Impactor and Mayhem made up after this fight, nor do I fully understand what goals of theirs would overlap. I really feel me needed more understanding of what Impactor was thinking. If he killed Hubcap to keep secrets buried to keep the peace, why join a group of revolutionaries after?

we really need a proper epilogue.

I'm still confused why Arcee and Kup didn't bring Prowl's butt back to Prime for punishment.

was it cause he saved Springer and they thought, he's a prick but he did sort of save him.....ehh fuck it.

For those who saw the UW Lynx Master vs Grand Galvatron comic; did anyone find it odd that Sky-Lynx got weaker when he combined with 4 Autobots? The guy could take Predaking alone, and now he needs 4 guys just to hold against Grand Galvatron?

I read the summary, but unless both teams are ridiculously strong compared to other combiners (which might be true, since the got remade by Unicron or Vector Sigma), this whole thing makes no sense.

None of the main ranking Autobots actually care about any things like justice or rule of law, only their egos and dislike for others. A fundamentally broken system that is barely sustainable and only allowed to exist because of wide-eyed idealists in the lower ranks are ignorant to their nature and the other options are worse.

Why wouldn't they be crazy broken compared to the ones that are built from their contemporary technology? Like of the ones only Superion and Menasor had any sort of divine influence and that was uplifting machines into living organisms, not from normal transformers into gods.

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>implying Predaking could take on Galvatron, let alone a Unicron powered Galvatron combiner

Because, since I don't have an exact translation, I assume they're like normal combiners in terms of power.

I want to assume they aren't, but unless the comic goes "Grand Galvatron beat the ever living shit out of Optimus Maximus/Superion/Defensor without breaking a sweet" it's hard to know if that's true or not.

There seems to be some kind of conservation of ninjutsu thing here. Arcee being the only one that is female by their standards and everyone else being male that simply looks feminine by human standards made her a cool freak, when many are female a lot of them don't do anything other than sit around.

>"Grand Galvatron beat the ever living shit out of Optimus Maximus/Superion/Defensor without breaking a sweet"

That's not a good baseline either, the new combiner always beat the shit out of the old one's in the show. They'd have to fight MULTIPLE combiners at the same time to prove that.

So how come their can be ones that are multiple for Female/Combiner/Non-humanoid at once if they were different groups? And is Trepan actually a girl that was raised as a boy like the other ones on that chart since he has a similar body?

Who's the walrus-bot on the left

>And is Trepan actually a girl that was raised as a boy like the other ones on that chart since he has a similar body?
Some people guess that yes, any new ones that might have at one time been somehow female are simply called male since Cybertron doesnt allow females.

They were mixing up the tribes. As for Trepan, just because A is B doesn't mean B is always A. Squares and Rectangles.

But they don't reproduce sexually. How would that work outside of artificial methods?

Sex has nothing to do with anything being discussed.

(BTW, Dear Hasbro: Make some beast headmasters for Titans Return please)

They are made from sparks released from the Titans into the ground which forms into the protoform using materials there and then solidifies into a metal body upon maturation. Are you saying that the Titans can transfer data between each other on the kind of offspring they produce?

It wasn't the only the Titans that were spitting out those types of Cybertronians back then. And remember, there's mystical shit like the Enigma of Combination in play, as well as good ol' fashioned rebuilding. Plus I don't really think females were limited to Solus Prime's tribe in IDW, considering all the ones on all the different colonies.

Hey, Transformers are just like us.

You mean new characters? Cuz we're already getting Mindwipe, Skullcruncher, and Weirdwolf.

Look at the image I posted and figure out the context for yourself.

Ah. Well, there's always redecoes.

Basically, in the really old days, spark hotspots formed all over the place and could produce anyone.

Over time, factions formed based on form (keep in mind that there never was an all-female group though).

The colony ships had a hot spot within them. It would appear that either these hotspots were "small gene pools" and often colonies were of one "genetic theme". This might have just been the various tribes somehow putting a hot spot on their ships that only somehow made a certain type of sparks, or maybe that the conditions of the places they settled favored certain forms. (again, keep in mind that other than the beasts and micromasters, the other colonies don't really seem to have a huge overall trait, so some colonies might have been more exclusive than others.

Some time after the colonies left, the hotspots started to dry up. Possibly related to this, or due to genocide, certain traits seemed to disappear too (combiners, headmasters, females).

Given enough time, people basically forgot these types ever existed or believed them to only be legend. Millions of years of war certainly provided a healthy distraction and destroyed loads of records too.

TL;DR - this isn't like the Aligned version of The Thirteen where there was one single founder of each trait and thus mixing would be hard.

The Micromaster Combiner colony wasn't even about combining until they landed. Hell, if their sparks being born in pairs might actually be sparks being split apart during emergence, leading to smaller sparks and smaller capacity to animate bodies, so even being Micromasters might not have been a thing of theirs until they landed.

>Hell, if their
Hell, their*

I liked it at some points and then it just felt so whatever.

The ending was whatever, I guess Verity and Springer made it out so there's that.

Stakeout didn't deserve to die like that though, it was a shitty death.

Which is lazy writing. Why do aliens always end up simply mimicking human cultures in fiction?

What is the point of using Alligned bullshit anyway. They had their own gods and then throw them away for brand-synergy which doesn't even work and is irrelevant outside of one sourcebook to begin with.

Because writing a truly alien culture is almost impossible; humans are fantastic at picking out fictional traits and attaching parts of their lives to them.

A truly alien culture would have to be utterly incoherent for people to be unable to make SOME connection with our own lives.

Well, it might have been a Hasbro mandate and brand synergy means something to execs even if it doesn't always play out for creatives.

For what it's worth, the thirteen are not literal gods in IDW, only worshiped by some.

The concept of the Thirteen predated Aligned, and it's not the exact same concepts of the Aligned Thirteen anyway. Besides, at the time the Guiding Hand was shown the Thirteen were a multiversal constant, so you should have knon since then that the Guiding Hand were a myth.

Pretty Much.

I personally like that they are like people yet aren't.

Multiversal constants are the cancer killing Transformers.

All Hail Impactor when?

You hadn't heard? That cancer's been cured.
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