This. It's time to end the 2 party system

This. It's time to end the 2 party system.

In the UK only 2 1/2 of those parties are relevant though.

Really fires my neurons

>major party
>literally get 4-5% every election

we have 3 relevant parties and a bunch of self entitled cunts thinking they're important

This. For example in germany it's the Angela Merkel and a bunch of shitty tiny parties which stand no chance.

There are currently only 4 (5) relevent parties

CDU/CSU
SPD
GRÜNE
LINKE
(FDP)

and maybe soon the AfD

Of those, only CDU/CSU and SPD matter. We are effectivly a two-party system.

In every country no matter how many little irellevant parties there are it allways ends up being Cuckservatives vs Socialists/Liberals.

Is a 2-party system (or a similarly low number) inevitable in an modern democracy?

This. Basically,

Centre-Left vs. Centre Right.

To appeal to the widest base of voters and allow the most room for corruption and money-making.

>Germany - 14
???

It doesn't make a difference. You might get more """representation,""" but it makes parliament even slower at achieving anything, and like friendly merchant said it's still right party vs left party at the end of the day.

>16
Conservatives
Labour
UKIP
Lib Dems
Green
SNP
Plaid Cymru
4 NI parties

That still only makes 11. Who the fuck are they counting?

How is a party a "major party" if they get very little of the vote, very few seats in the legislature and have to coalition with other irrelevant parties to get anything done?

We don't have a two party system. There will be like a dozen presidential candidates from a dozen parties.

The UK has the Conservatives and Labour. The LibDems used to be substantial before being wiped out in 2015. No one else matters. The Northern Irish parties are interesting, but very narrow in their focuses.

U.K - 16


hahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahah

>Germany
>14

bullshit

kek

This
Lets end the "party" system.
And get down to serious work.

I think the AfD and GRÜNE parties are actually very influential in the German two party, centrist dominated system.

Success for one of the other might force the CDU/CSU and SPD to adapt policy from these parties to retain voters.

I would love for the AfD to win MASSIVELY in next year's election. It would be symbolic and might wake up Merkel and many Deutschlander.

>17 major parties
KEK.
I would say there are only six major ones here, the rest of them are meme parties.

>UK - 16
LOL

Yeah, UK has two major parties that are basically the only ones with a chance at gov't, the tories and labour.

All the others are 'relevant' in the way they get some votes but all they do is decide how many votes are taken from the major parties.

It's not like this because people want it that way. The machine that is American media and its political system's structure makes it so

The LibDems briefly became relevant under Clegg only to serve as the taker in a coalition with the Tories. They're now just about back to where they were before.

BNP?
Scottish versions of Labour and Tories?

Is the pirate party a thing here.

Because the Lib Dems, Green, Plaid Cymru, Pirate Party, George Galloway and other shits are relevant.

>Switzerland - 13
Yeah, if we count the pirate party, communist party and all those meme party that only polls at 1%.
I'll say that there is 5 major parties if we count the Greens in Switzerland.

UKIP aren't massively relevant in parliament but got 25% of the popular vote last election and are basically the reason we voted for Brexit.

The SNP also have influence (but this is more parliamentary). They are awful whiny cunts though,

americans don't have the attention span for more than two parties

>yes goy allow us to split the votes further so we can divide and conquer.

Alot of our politicians are taking bribes from (((europabevegelsen)))

FRP was confirmed controlled opposition when they gave EU financial oversight few months ago.

but fuck it we still have to vote for them since theire the only party against immigration.

sweden is in a similar state, SD had to purge their youth parties for not being "kosher" enough.

see a pattern here burgers? It dont mattet how many parties you got if none of them represent the people.

I agree. We need to restore our government to a normal, traditional system. Bring back the monarchs!

How is the PPV polling at the moment? Any chance for a Geert Wilders victory next year?

>Lib Dems
Why are they there?

>UK
>16 major political parties

are you fucking kidding

Fuck off mate

How come Americans don't vote for third parties in e.g. Congress elections, or in state legislatures, or anything like that?

Ukip got 12% in generals

In the polls they're the biggest, but they always do good in polls

Sorry, I pulled the 25% number out of my arse. It was 12.7 (3.9 million votes).

They are the biggest party in polls but they are far awat from majority seats

I FUCKED UP M8'S.

I think my point about influence still stands though. The Tories only offered a referendum on the EU because of UKIP doing great in pre-election polling.

"Major parties" means those with seats in the parliament probably

There are some in state legislatures but it's pretty rare for third party candidates to even run for those positions. They all want to go straight to the presidency.

The SNP (Scottish national party) are relatively important. They have now usurped the Liberal Democrats as the third largest party in parliament (53 MPs I think, out of 650). Basically the whole of Scotland is represented by them. They now get to ask three questions in prime ministers questions every week, as the third party.

I think they also dominate the Scottish parliament. So yeah they really are the dominant party in Scottish politics. Which is why they were able to put enough pressure on the government for the Scottish referendum, for instance.

In any cantonal parliament perhaps? I couldnt count 10...

Why do polls not translate into votes for them? Is there a disconnect? Or a shy-voter aspect?

Voting is totally anonymous. I've never understood the cowadice of voters to maintain the status quo.

Why? That seems really dumb to me. They're incredibly unlikely to become president if they don't already have a base of supporters. If they get some elected politicians then they can start to get some support as a party. That's how it works in every other country.

America's system forces people of differing political views to unite and form alliances before an election takes place.

Alternative systems, such as the british parliamentary system, force parties to form alliances AFTER the voting has taken place.

In the american system, you KNOW what you're voting for.

14?
there are currently 4 parties in the parliament.
in the fucking worst case scenario we will have 6 after the next.
2 of them barely getting in the parliament at all.
That chart is bullshit

Nationalrat currently has 12 parties

*3 irritating, whiny questions.

The American system is fundamentally flawed.

There's nothing to stop a well funded 3rd party from spoiling the election for your opposition, which is how Bill Clinton got elected.
Also, because there are only 2 parties, corruption becomes entrenched. Although I'm sure that happens no matter what

They're actually much WORSE off than they were even before the coalition.

It's the same in Canada

There's green, ndp, liberal, qc, and conservatives

In the end the elections come down to one of the liberal parties vs the conservatives, every time.

There is no such thing as a multi-party system. People all vote for a winner, or whoever is most likely to be a winner, and every time it results in a race between two parties, not a race between multiple parties.

Multi-party systems would work if people voted rationally on issues they care about, but a large part of them simply vote based on who they think will win, or who they've always traditionally voted for; never actual policies or achievements.

You do realize other parties can run here, right? They're just no where near as popular.

Fixed

what did you vote, nordmann?

Monster Raving Looney,

UK is a Two-party system in practice, you mongoloid.

They're polling at 35% currently, highest of any party. Usually they're polling very high but it doesn't translate that well in votes in elections. Maybe it is different this time with the migrant crisis.

praise be unto kek's prophet the eternal merchant for imparting this fair wisdom.

Don't do this, it's a trap. Our partys do nothing because everyone is blocking everyone.
It's a nightmare

Then I noticed
>1 post by ID
And realized OP ain't even here.

Be it 1 or 100, parties suck and work against democracy. It's very naive and stupid to think more parties = more democracy.

>Hurr durr more parties=More representation

No, you just end up splitting the vote on the right/left side. In our position neither of the right wing parties can get enough votes to form a government alone or together, and have to relly on shitty centre/Centre right parties to even fucking get enough votes in the parliment.

While the labour party doesnt have any real competirors to take their votes away, so you have a huge powerfull leftist party and a bunch of weak right wing parties split on Conservatism and libertarianism.

Though i love the idea of more represantation and all of that, it makes it hard to get anything done at all.

>4U
Stor kar, du da. Men memes til side, er enig.

That's really fucking incorrect, mate.

We know what we're voting for because a party has a manifesto, and that's what they implement when they're elected. Yes 2010 resulted in a coalition government which meant the two ruling parties had to splice together their manifestos, but firstly the main party (Conservatives) got most of their manifesto secured which made sense as they were the larger party. And secondly, that's the first coalition government since the war. They're rare. In every other government since the war, a party has had a manifesto and then that's why they work to implement when they're elected.

Things are actually MUCH more uncertain in America. The reason being that the executive and the legislative are entirely separate. So you can end up with the current situation, where a democratic president is trying to pass laws through a republican Congress.

Ergo, we actually know what we're voting for much more than Americans. You thick shit.

Not really, because politics is much more complex than simply left and right. For example Green party might not be neither because they value sustainability above all else even if it comes at the cost of individual rights and convenience.

For example they might vote to ban private transportation in favor of public transportation. Tax fossil fuel usage and meat production which would force companies to increase the cost of said products. Pirate party favors goverment transparency, individual freedoms and privacy. Some parties might be in favor of localism while other might rather centralize all services.

Some of these parties tend to sway from left to right based on how it fits their agenda. E.g Green often aligns to left because it's much easier to achieve green politics through market regulations, taxation and goverment investments.

Yup, Angus Robertson is an annoying whiny twat

He's elevating his profile quite a lot though. Maybe the next SNP leader.

We have one party. The GOP has imploded.

One thing is that the VVD ''steals'' a lot of votes from them, you hardlyhear them all year and then in the debates they take a very anti-immigrant approach.
Also people don't trust someone like Wilders to lead the country, best to go safe (VVD, CDA, PVDA(they're ded now though))

Oh god how I hate that miserable, bitter cretin.

If ever you want to derail some good old-fashioned, lighthearted PMQ banter with doom and gloom Scottish "interests" you can count on him to deliver.

>hurr what are the differences between parliamentary and non-parliamentary systems

I'm too dumb to select from 6 different parties. Plus that would mean that only 16% or less of the population can shaft the rest of the 84% of the population.

It would be extremely easy for a very criminal organization to take over America.

No thank you.

>It would be extremely easy for a very criminal organization to take over America.
You mean like the Dems or GOP?

American liberals are really funny when it comes to Europe.

>Plus that would mean that only 16% or less of the population can shaft the rest of the 84% of the population.
What a way to show you have no idea what you're talking about

If we had more parties I doubt we'd still have the FPTP system. Ranked voting might work.

North Korea?