So all of the other main Justice League members have their own arch-enemy (Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc...

So all of the other main Justice League members have their own arch-enemy (Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.) But who's Cyborg's archnemesis?

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Who is Wonder Woman's?

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You got me there. I can't think of a single one that's not a generic Justice League villain.
Another reason why he shouldn't be a major player.

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>I don't read comics, but that doesn't prevent me from posting.

White American Police.

Good comics

Grid.

Brother Blood?

Practically his only villain now. Though I could think of worse I suppose
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A Bathtub full of water

In Teen Titans, it was Brother Blood.

In the comics, I have no idea.

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Not that user but fuck off, DC has failed to give Wonder Woman a definitive archenemy. Cheetah, Ares, and Circe are all possible contenders for that title but in the end none of them can definitively be called her arch

So? Who says she has to has a single archnemesis? At this point both Ra's and Joker, with Riddler pulling up third, qualify as Batman's archnemesis.

The premise of the thread is "archnemesis" not "arch villains." You could make the case that assigning a single nemesis to each hero is flawed, but the question wasn't "who are Cyborg's villains" it was "who is his arch-nemesis."

OP uses both arch-enemy and arch-nemesis in his post interchangeably.

There's nothing wrong with a character not having a single archenemy. One user admonished another for not knowing Wonder Woman's archenemy and says it must be because he doesn't read comics, I respond because after reading comics you still wouldn't know who Wonder Woman's archenemy is.


Also the entire concept behind achenemy/archnemesis is that it's singular in nature. It is the one villain that both symbolically, popularly, and materially viewed as more important than the others. You're fucking out of your mind if you think Ra's shares that spot with the Joker.

Who's Martian Manhunter's?

Matt Damon

Aaand so did I. You're completely missing the point. The thread is about the idea of a monolithic, individual arch nemesis. Not plural. The question being, "who is Cyborg's nemesis?" The discussion followed to WW, so by extension the question arose "Who is WW's nemesis?" to which you're saying "she has a lot" which... while maybe true, and maybe accurate, is completely missing the point of the thread which is to talk about individual, definitive, monolithic arch-villains such as... hey look! OP gave examples!

>(Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.)

I tutor middleschoolers and they're less dense than you lot sometimes.

>It is the one villain that both symbolically, popularly, and materially viewed as more important than the others.

Then WW has Cheetah as her arch due to non-comics media.

I feel like there could be a bunch of ideas that play off of his half machine nature like how all of Batman's play off of him, but writers don't give a fuck about this character.

isnt it that other martian guy

Brother Blood.

I hope Cheetah and Giganta get more exposure. Maybe in a WW sequel?

Cyborg, MM, WW, etc all lack a truly defining enemy because they lack character. Batman and Superman have actual characters both in costume and out, and their best villains are a distorted reflection of themselves, exposing another facet of their characters. How can you have an antithesis to Cyborg's character if he's barely a character to start with? A good writer would have to start from scratch with him,but a good writer has better things to work on.

>You're fucking out of your mind if you think Ra's shares that spot with the Joker.
I was with you until here

Joker is definitely the more accepted choice (and the one who's gotten more pages to back it up), but I think you could make a compelling argument for Ra's, depending on which aspects of Batman's mythos you're focusing on. Bats and Joker are yin and yang for sure, good vs evil, order vs chaos, etc. But Ra's has such a strong history with Bats, with such strongly opposed ideologies (unlike Joker who may as well have none) that it's hard not to at least consider him for the spot.

Not to be harsh, but you sound like the type that pretends to read comics. Like, what are you talking about? A bunch of nonsense with a false sense of authority

Nothing in the statement "Who is X's archnemesis?" precludes the existence of multiple, or zero, archnemesis.

Most don't play off of him, or do so in very shallow manners.

aah yes, the daily Cyborg hate thread.

Doesn't have one

Cartoon was Brother Blood but that was basically a new character. If you changed his name and put him in the comics then there you go.

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What about Green Lantern? Who is his archenemy?

We really need to start pushing Grid more. About the only choice you can go with if WB decides to do the Cyborg movie

Is the Flash's arch-nemesis Zoom, the Reverse Flash, or Captain Cold?

Sinestro

How can you not know that?

Sinestro

none of Kyle's villains are important or interesting enough to count as a GL archenemy

Sinestro is Hal's and nobody really has one anymore if they ever did.

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>none of Kyle's villains are important or interesting enough to count as a GL archenemy
I dunno, Major Force had a pretty decent run for a while there.

Anyone can tell me who Superman and Batman are without just saying what their superpowers are because they have well defined characters. I doubt many can do the same for Cyborg. A good villain tells you more about the hero, usually by being their opposite or being similar in many respects. It is hard to make a villain that is reflective of Cyborg character because he has no character.

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>So all of the other main Justice League members have their own arch-enemy (Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.) But who's Cyborg's archnemesis?

Hmm... While you're right that the phrasing doesn't *preclude* multiple nemeses, if we use our *CONTEXT CLUES* we can reasonably ascertain the intent behind the question! Do you notice how the OP only mentions individual villain-hero pairings and only speaks in singular (not plural!) terms?

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i mean

Cheetah.

He existed before Kyle did though, and he kept being used as a general villain after the fridge thing. I wouldn't really count him

maybe Nero or whatever his name was could count for Kyle but he barely shows up anyway

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I get the feeling you get all your Flash info from the tv show with that post

It's the Joker.

Ras is jobbing to the Teen Titans, and before that Red Robin.

He's basically the new Doctor Light.

For the longest time Hal didn't have one until Johns brought Sinestro to prominence, but at this point the relationship between the two doesn't really work that way. John had Fatality, but I don't think anyone's done anything with her in a long time. Kyle had Alex Nero but he hasn't shown up since Blackest Night; in practice Major Force was closer in behavior to an archnemesis. Neither Guy, Simon, nor Jessica have had one.

Martin Campbell

>he hasn't shown up since Blackest Night
That's because he was killed.

Gorilla Grodd?

Y2K, maybe an EMP

Kyle Rayner his arch enemy sales, personality, living girlfriends, and generally being a holdover from the 90s.

The Green Lantern Hal Jordan his arch-enemy/boyfriend is Sinestro

>For the longest time Hal didn't have one until Johns brought Sinestro to prominence
You could argue it was Sinestro or Star Sapphire up until the 80s or early 90s, then they both kinda stopped showing up (also Sinestro died like twice)

Maybe they could steal Doctor Polaris for Cyborg

It'd be a cool conflict, having to fight someone who could rip him apart, CYbor would need to fight smarter

Grid.

Maybe if he gets a good solo book it will change but it doesn't seem likely.

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It's Xanshi you casual

His DCYou book was great

No. Just to clarify, there are technically 3 Reverse Flashs and none of them call themselves that, just the public. Theres Eobard Thawne AKA Professor Zoom, Hunter Zolomon who also goes by just Zoom, and Daniel West. Arguably you could say Thawne. Cold just misses because on some level theres a mutual respect.

Does he deserve a solo at this point? His character never drew a dime.

sounds like someone's projecting :^)

it's funny because I don't drink

They should retcon Gizmo I think he will be perfect enemy for cyborg
Making him muscle bound

Or Amazo

>Neither Guy, Simon, nor Jessica have had one.
>Guy
>forgetting Bolphunga the Unrelenting

who's Iron man's archnemesis?

Doctor Polaris doesnt get much love, why should Magneto get all the attention? Id be ok with this

They brainwashed Fatality into being a Star Sapphire and she hooked up with John for quite a while

then Durlans forced the ring off her and she said she'd be brainwashed and she still hated John so I guess she still counts as a nemesis but she hasn't shown up since then

Green lanterns in General have the Yellows as their archenemies

Mandarin
Crimson Dynamo
Titanium Man
Bendis

I'd put Star Sapphire over Sinestro.

he said archenemy not otp

Sometimes Doom, sometimes Captain America and the Superhero community.
Don't even go for the bottle joke, that's his abusive on-again-off-again ex not his nemesis.

Jack Daniels

He got vaporized by a roughly 400% charged ring near the end of GLC before New 52.

Nah, I'm just using context clues.

>Sometimes Doom
literally like, twice

besides I don't think you can count someone as your archnemesis if THEIR archnemesis is someone else

This is the really the best answer

I would too now that I think about it, Silver Age Sinestro was just some asshole former GL that wanted to be as evil as possible, Star Sapphire was somebody he knew and had a personal beef with him

I'm not sure when Sinestro got the edge as an arch enemy, maybe around Emerald Dawn II when they retconned him to be Hal's mentor and the fact that Carol wasn't a villain herself, just unlucky

should have used those when you read the OP and could have saved us all some time :^)

He's Bolphunga the UNRELENTING, he'll be back

Bendis the writer

The problem is that you could never have the two directly interact, as Doctor Polaris would murder the fuck out of Cyborg with no issue.

Himself, his archnemesis will always be himself.

Why do Marvel characters lack archnemesis? Is it because they constantly team up and fight each other? I'm starting to think archnemesis is a rare thing now.

>I don't think you can count someone as your archnemesis if THEIR archnemesis is someone else
Works out just between Superman, Scott, Orion and Darkseid

Are we flirting?

Bit tricky to come back from being an outline made of ash on a wall, Hiroshima style.

Marvel is more team based in general

I honestly don't follow Cyborg much at all, but it seems like they really dropped the ball in N52 after tying his origin to a mother box and NOT giving him an Apokoliptian-influenced nemesis. Like that turned him from "dude who's a cyborg, neat" to "dude who's a cyborg with strong ties to some of the neatest mythology in DC"

It's comics, anything can happen

also there was a reboot after he died, so

Marvel can't into decent writing and characterization

They are good at flashy scenes with colors and heroes that shoots laser with their hands

only if it's working

So how do we write around this?

Well they haven't given him much of anything

Metal Men, Shazam, and a solo where the first writer left after the first arc are all he's been given really. And it's been 5 years.
There's still time to do what you're suggesting.

yeah

Haha. I was shitposting a littlebit at first, but then the question really echoed through my head after the Wonder Woman's stuff discussed in this thread. But yeah, for me, Tony Stark is the best name from this list.