Please, give examples of well-functioning, sustainable welfare states...

Please, give examples of well-functioning, sustainable welfare states. The ones that were leftist for a while and will continue to do so as the future shines bright for them.

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Hitler's Germany. Well, until, you know. The war and all that.

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My guess is Sweden before it let in diseased shitskins.

Any that stood the test of time? A lot of countries are leaning left now, do they have the historical precedent of success for such actions?

Northern Europe functions well in all aspects, but they have to heavily monitor their citizen's lives to make sure they're not slacking off and most people spend their pastimes drinking.

But in terms of economic success, Northern Europe is a good welfare state.

Isn't Finland experiencing a long time stagnation and Sweden is dropping in HDI rapidly. Only Denmark and Norway seem okay.

Well, you didn't specify the state has to exist in reality, so I'm gonna go with the post-scarcity Galatic Federation of the Star Trek canon.

All needs are provided to everyone and there is no real economy to speak of. The centuries of expansion also hint at stability.

Basically, replicator tech is all that stands between the human race and eternal NEET-dom.

I did not indeed state they must exist in reality, however I stated a prerequisite of them having good future prospects, which isn't really applicable to fantasy.

The Federation seems to have pretty solid propects ahead of it. They still have 90% of the galaxy to explore/expand into. They are not close to stagnation, and have relative peace with their neighbors.

How the populace is supposed to be motivated to expand and develop if all their needs are met and satisfied already?

It's going OK here for now, but I don't know for how long

Most people seem to do fuck all, come to think of it. The incentives for success are there if you are among the truly competent however, and you become a Starfleet officer. Most of that seems to stem from prestige and glory, since there is no money. Overall, almost every job is redundant since there is an automated process for it. The system functions well-enough since everyone can be cared for without stressing limited resources.

>before it let in diseased shitskins.

It's the faith for all welfare-states.

I haven't watched ST sadly, are there niggers or other inferior races in it? Not token niggers I mean, but an actual race and community. If not, such system seems to be hardly applicable to the current realities unless a massive genocide takes place.

The honorary Norges are already stabbing people in Britain, this is a worrying call.

>looks at flag

Yep, it's a leaf.

Socialism does not work in Scandinavian countries either, even ignoring the whole importing-the-entirety-of-the-middle-east thing. Welfare statism is a fucking cancer on every single society that implements it or ever will implement it.

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Every country falls, eventually. Nothing can last, unchallenged, for eternity. The momentum of history as a tapestry of human events is the only significant point of observation. In truth, the current economic models in play are too young to judge from a historical perspective.

Consumerism is only about 50-60 years old, and I don't think there exists a real welfare state anywhere. Closest I can think of is Chavez-era Venezuela. The nationalization of the oil industry and the redistribution of profits to the citizens is the most similar off the top of my head.

Judging stability with such a short time frame where the full scope of consequences has yet to play out is utterly hopeless. Check back in a century or so.

People generally stopped giving a fuck about race during the Eugenics Wars time period. Basically, everybody was genetically engineered to be superior in all fields. After that ended, and they banned Eugenics, the presence of Aliens probably eradicated the barriers.

That's about as good as I can explain it.

The problem with welfare states is that they're either brutal and totalitarian (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union), economic failures (Venezuela), or the populace turns into weak panda bears that don't want to breed or fight for their country (Northern Europe).

Capitalism with common sense labor laws, strict immigration, and protectionist trade policies is ideal.

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Whatever Fox says to you mate.

>uses the country that has been taxed to oblivion and people can barely afford things for themselves as an example

The federation has made no significant technical progress since Riker was an admiral. And of course there's the issue of Klingon Lives Matter, as they try to integrate with the Empire.

They are forced into a certain conformity of speech and values though. They have many of their options and choices forced upon them by a central authority for the sake of "equality" of result rather than equal opportunity.


And it just keeps getting worse.

>Every country falls, eventually.
You know he's not talking about eternal nationhood, he's talking about successful nationhood. There are countries today that have been around for thousands of years nigger.

I addressed these things here The idea that a welfare state is an unsuccessful country is false though.

norway
USA subsidizes our military defence budget
we're a homogeonous ethnic white population with high iq, good common sense and strong moral morals (US should just give up, you can't have socialism and dindus)
we've never gone full retard with communism
we have a very free economy, don't need to bribe anyone to set up a company
high taxes but not enough to kill development

don't worry, our politicians are working hard to change all these points, we'll join the ranks of venezuela soon.

>How the populace is supposed to be motivated to expand and develop if all their needs are met and satisfied already?


Those needs only have to be well met for a limited period. Just long enough for the public to be complicit in their own total surrender to the state and their inability to fight it.

Nordic countries before immigration from Africa and ME.

Not necessarily. And you don't need to go full concentration camp mode, just promote the well being of your nation above the well being of others.

most 'democratic socialist' countries that are rolled out by liberals to show how awesome socialism is, have their businesses pay roughly have what US businesses pay on average in taxes

multinational corps in the US pay on average around 40%, Northern Europe multis pay about 20%

domestic US businesses on average pay about 20% to tax, northern europe roughly 10% on average

US spends more per capita on welfare than northern european countries

Switzerland.

euros get fucked in sales tax type shit

US is far more socialist than eurocucks

And when the people stop having kids, the politicians are going to import more tax payers.

Please give me one example of a conservative state that isn't a third world shithole.

Japan.

Which is why you do proposals like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=-O8EQFbqu-8

But anyway, we should stop treating slow population decline as some huge catastrophe.

>the country that literally invented free trade
>conservative

>brags about size of economy
>to the USA
We beat them all and we're capitalist. Keep projecting that everyone who disagrees with you that they watch Fox News like it's still 2006.

That's because your resources can provide for your small population. Most of the world can't do this.

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Northern Europe's economy was made functional and sustainable before the welfare policies were even enacted, not because of them.

Take Sweden, for example, which was a free-market capitalist country for the greater part of the 20th century. They introduced socialist policies like welfare in the 1980s and their general economy has only gotten worse since then.

The myth of functional Nordic socialism is exactly that. A myth.

>But anyway, we should stop treating slow population decline as some huge catastrophe.
It isn't, but the politicians want more taxpayers. They want more money and power.

Please give an example of a society that lets their poor, sick and disabled people starve and die, that isn't either a third world shit hole or didn't give way to a communist third world shit hole.

Wasn't America like this when it was actually growing economically?

They don't exist. Subsidizing laziness or infirmity will only ever work if you also sterilize those people.

>implying it is not growing
Find me a year where the growth rate was less than or equal to 0. Make sure you citation is reputable.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

You'll be Venezuela-tier as soon as you run out of oil, the same thing is happening to Australia