Rewatching BTAS and this episode really impressed me.
Why aren't modern superhero shows like this? My nephew likes to watch whatever the new Spiderman cartoon is and its just non stop quips and beating up bad guys, they'd never do anything serious like this. I know Spiderman has never really been known for getting "deep" but still.
Why do modern shows treat kids like they must be idiots?
Also BTAS thread, what are your favorite episodes? I really liked the 2 face arc, this, and heart of ice so far.
I've been re-watching the show too. It's a shame nothing is this stylized and thought-out. It's like no one wants anything actually deep.
It's honestly quite disheartening too.
Tyler Fisher
I like P.O.V , Almost got him, and The one where everyone thought that guy (Sid the squid killed batman.
Ayden Myers
Yea P.O.V. was good
It really is. Kids today will never know good cartoons like this.
Levi Barnes
I really loved the Grey Ghost episode.
Brayden Edwards
>Spiderman has never really been known for getting "deep" Fuck you.
Henry Lewis
That was a damn good episode.
Angel Foster
Fires of Olympus, Day of the Samurai, and the Demon's Quest are my favorite. Is Ra's ever going to be relevant again?
Luis Cook
for some odd reason, people seem to dislike this episode (if I'm not mistaken)
I thought it was a thrilling and entertaining episode, even if people think that it's not at it's best. An execution that not many shows can deliver today, even as a mediocre two-parter. The music score in those eps was one of the best, I must say.
Heck, I'm not even pissed of at the episode "I've Got Batman In My Basement", because I didn't take it so seriously and had fun.
The only one that I wasn't impressed with ""The Underdwellers". It just didn't work for me.
More favorite eps: "P.O.V." "Two-Face" "It's Never Too Late" "Heart of Ice" "Beware the Gray Ghost" "Joker's Favor" "Mad as a Hatter" "Almost Got 'Im" "The Man Who Killed Batman" "Trial" "Baby-Doll"
Christian Baker
Check out "A Bullet for Bullock," they talk about crack houses in that one.
Carson Gomez
I like BTAS, but it shouldn't be treated like the standard for action cartoons because it ws something unique, almost impossible to replicate. It had a lot of work and talent behind it and was so good to justify a whole universe with multiple series. Anyway, my favorites usually are the Joker and Two-Face episodes, but the absolute best one for me is "Almost Got'im"
Austin Wood
Just watched these 2, they weren't bad but not my favorite.
I remember watching one as a kid where Scarecrow makes it so no one feels fear anymore, was that BTAS or one of the later versions? I know they had a Batman and Robin series as well and another one but it was still the same people doing them.
Kayden Wright
>it shouldn't be the standard cause it was too good
So people shouldn't be expected to put in this kind of effort now?
William White
next to adam west batman, this btas is my definitive version of the caped crusader.
think i laughed the hardest is when the joker is up against the wall being threatened by that guy with a bomb and joker is like, 'come on you have a busy day, all that running around with BATMAN!!!'
Benjamin Thompson
If you listen to Paul Dini and Mark Hamill on Fatman on Batman, it's clear they really did love being involved with BTAS.
Michael Morales
"This cartoon isn't being made for people of my age" isn't the same as "UGH THEY TREAT KIDS LIKE IDIOTS". Get the fuck out with that entitled insipid shit, specially the delusion that makes you think all kids favor serious plotlines over humor and light-hearted fun. If they did Young Justice wouldn't have flopped.
Evan Williams
I think that's "Joker's Favor" that's a damn good episode.
Jace Smith
But where are the cartoons like this? That's the point user "light hearted fun" is all they make anymore
William Cook
This guy is correct. That's my absolute favorite episode. I love stories about average citizens dealing with the kind of shit that goes on in these universes.
They kind of do treat kids like idiots, though.
Nothing wrong with light-hearted fun, but that's ALL they're feeding them, and it's not even very good. Kids deserve better.
And that's not why YJ got cancelled.
Colton Phillips
Commercial product follow trends. If they're not making shows like BTAS it's because they seem to not be very profitable right now, for VARIOUS reasons that extend way and above beyond simplistic reactionary accusations like "they don wanna put the effort i 'spose".
This is the eintertainment business, none of us are entitled to the existence of stuff we like, it is to us to simply hope one day it swings in our favor again, but it's just small-minded to go "kids these days ugh" when most nerds, regardless of what they like, are some dumb motherfuckers anyway.
Adrian Peterson
It's been awhile but if I remember correctly, the random slub who the Joker terrorizes throughout the episode really nails the dynamic between Bat-man and Joker. >This is how it ends, Joker. No big schemes. No grand fight to the finish with the Dark Knight. Tomorrow all the papers will say is it the great Joker who was found blown to bits in an alley alongside a miserable little nobody?" Kinda funny. Ironic really. See, I can destroy a man's dreams too and that's really the only dream you've got? Isn't it?
Jonathan Flores
I'm not going "kids these days ugh" I'm going "producers these days ugh" but alright fair enough.
I know they have to make money user I just wish they didn't wanna make money exclusively off of low effort shit.
Nathaniel Stewart
You don't get to decide what is better, and much more importantly you would be mad to assume this is all kids experience. My little cousin is reading Sherlock Holmes along with watching cartoons along with studying hours and hours above what I had to study back in my day. There is a WORLD beyond cartoons.
In fact, that would be an interesting study wouldn't it? Kids study more so media is being made breezier and faster. There's something to be linked there if one would be inclined to investigate.
And yes it IS why YJ got cancelled, Greg Weisman himself said they didn't have enough kids watching, so no one was buying the toys, so there was no financial reason to keep going, regardless of the comforting indignation people want to fabricate out of "grr they didnt want girls watching it!", an explanation that doesn't even make fucking sense since no company would go "too much money we didn't expect! Abort!"
Gavin James
I didn't say that. What I meant was that the DCAU is a masterpiece and masterpieces shouldn't used as a standard. Animators should still aim to make a good product, with good artstyle and good story, but these days we don't see often
Isaac Walker
The job of an entertainer is to entertain the best they can, a masterpiece is the most perfect entertainment.
So should everyone not strive to entertain as well as is possible?
The highest heights of human achievement should always be what people are held to as a standard otherwise you get our shitty modern culture.
Thomas Cooper
Kids eat up whatever shit you put in front of them, when you put stupid shit they become stupid shits, when you put good shit they have a chance to become good.
Jacob Richardson
Then what's your excuse for becoming a mongoloid?
Cultural backbone comes from places beyond cartoons. Pity the hollow skulls that do nothing but watch cartoons.
Michael Anderson
>Kids study more >my cousin is intelligent and studies so all kids study now
Xavier Martin
its more like "executives these days, ugh"
Matthew Bennett
When I was a kid, I didn't even realize that Simon Trent was Adam West. I barely even recognized that the Gray Ghost was the Shadow (I kinda, sorta got the connection from the Alec Baldwin movie).
I'm glad that the media of my youth was sufficiently nuanced and multilayered that I can appreciate it more, now, in adulthood.
Bentley Smith
Watching the episode now. Really good. I never noticed he was Adam West as a kid either it's awesome.
Aiden Garcia
I especially like how integral the Gray Ghost is to B:TAS mythology.
Ryder Martinez
It was such a clever episode and casting.
I loved how the villain was literally a crazed fanboy. I believe Bruce Timm voiced him.
Jordan Bailey
Which episode was this again? I've seen them all but it's been several years.
Nicholas Russell
It's never too late
Andrew Brown
My all-time favorite BTAS episode is Perchance to Dream. It's just wonderful. I found out later that it's Kevin Conroy's favorite episode too.
My only problem with it is that it's hard to recommend to people because it's essential they watch another episode first but by telling them which episode it gives away the surprise villain.
Gabriel Gray
I think what that user meant was we shouldn't hold it against people for failing to reach that height, not that they shouldn't try. they absolutely should try. But we can't expect realistically for everything to be that good.
Michael Ramirez
I love this episode. I miss when Batman could be nice to people and believe in them.
>I don't believe you'd give up on anyone, Father.
Michael Ward
>>Why do modern shows treat kids like they must be idiots?
Because the writers became idiots
Jeremiah White
Troy Baker also has said this is his favourite too.
Benjamin Robinson
This episode is the most underrated episode of the series. No one ever brings it up. Good thread OP
Kayden Barnes
>Because the writers became idiots >implying most of them weren't always idiots
Jason Powell
What episode was that?
Brody Wright
I wish cartoons still had this sort of continuity.
Chase Rivera
>And yes it IS why YJ got cancelled, Greg Weisman himself said they didn't have enough kids watching, so no one was buying the toys
Only half-right. The ratings were fine and even increased. The premiere alone had the highest ratings of 2010. The lack of toys was what directly killed the show.
Adam Sanders
>My only problem with it is that it's hard to recommend to people because it's essential they watch another episode first but by telling them which episode it gives away the surprise villain.
Is it though? You could watch it before Mad as Hatter, with MaH right after as a sort 'origin episode'
Caleb Murphy
The fight between Batman and Ra's al Ghul in Demon's Quest was pretty memorable to me. I also liked Harlequinade. But the one episode that really sticks out in my mind is Over the Edge even if the ending was inevitable for an ongoing kid's series. I remember seeing it on TV one afternoon and wondering "holy shit is this really happening?"
Cooper Hill
Don't forget the episode where Batman actually tries to help save The Ventriloquist. He helps him stand-up to "Scarface" and even helps him rehabilitate and get a job afterwards.
Lincoln Sanders
One of the really interesting things about the DCAU is that it wasn't afraid to have The Joker fail. Sometimes he'd escape from Arkham, and go back in without killing anyone. Most comic book writers for the past 30 years seem to think it's poor taste to not have him murder at least a handful of people in each appearance.
Liam Butler
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Nolan Sanchez
I love the episode where Riddler traps Batman and Robin in his maze. Really fun episode.
Carter Hughes
Also in The Batman and Brave and the Bold, to the point of driving him to tears in both times.
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Anthony Ward
Young Justice was the closest thing we had to getting that magic back, and in a cruel twist of fight Teen Titans Go is the only thing left. It's really disheartening.
Jayden Robinson
The Joker was a ruthless murder in his first appearance which is literally Batman #1, Eddy...
Xavier Price
Why can't live action Batman ever capture the feel of this show?
They're always either too dark or too bland. BTAS gets it just right.
Its never too late should be required viewing for anyone attempting a new Batman show/movie imo. If we could get live action stuff with feels like this it'd be awesome.
Brandon Torres
What's this episode called?
Andrew Rodriguez
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Jose Bailey
Its Never Too Late
Ethan Barnes
whats never too late? I want to know the episode name
Cooper Evans
My favorite's got to be I Am The Night.
Kevin Taylor
I know it goes against your jaded and cynical world view, but kids these days are reading and studying MORE than they were even a decade ago.
Jackson Wilson
>its never too late to shitpost
Leo Phillips
Thanks, missed that post.
Levi Diaz
The sympathetic portral of many of the villains also made Batman's no kill rule actually make sense
Anthony Walker
Just because it's your favorite Batman doesn't mean it's the best Batman. Dark Batman is perfectly fine too.
Robert Adams
BTAS is dark though, its just not CRAWLING IN MY SKINNNNNNN tier
Jaxon Reyes
This. Compare BTAS to STAS and they are, unironically, like night and day.
>I know Spiderman has never really been known for getting "deep" but still. Go read Kravens Last Hunt or something.
Carter Turner
>Why aren't modern superhero shows like this? because it's boring, dude the only reason it seems so deep and meaningful is because there's no OTHER kind of show that would touch it. but that doesn't make it an appropriate area for superhero stories. it's boring. superhero stories are about violence and combat. as a kid this kinda thing bored me and my sister to tears. NOW i can appreciate it for the depth it has, but.. i don't want it in my batman. i want it in my nearly-everything-else
Ryan Long
Baby-Doll was criminally underrated. Did Batman book her or did he let her go?
Colton Rogers
>none of us are entitled to the existence of stuff we like everyone else seems to be
Angel Foster
nobody was buying the toys because they were shit.. this is the problem. nobody is putting the blame on toy companies. but this dumb modern way ISNT making money
Ian Johnson
Am I the only one that preferred Beyond to BTAS?
Robert Ward
Pretty much this. Besides, it's not like other cartoons cant get here. Just look at spectacular spiderman and the batman. They're not idiotic shows. And not all shows are idiotic. You gotta search for the good shit my guy.
Cameron Myers
My fave episode are Joker fish The man who killed Batman Robin's reckoning,Jokers favor, harley & ivy,may more
Grayson Jones
YJ got cancelled because it was shit.
Jaxon Hall
Because Americans don't like anything other than dumb fart comedies these days.
Adrian Lewis
This was a quasi-retelling of Angels With Dirty Faces.
Hudson King
>Cape and Cowl Conspiracy >Now, what will you do with the cape and cowl? >I'm going to wear it!
Best twist ever.
Andrew Barnes
>I don't want it in my batman
Get out
Jason Gonzalez
>It's not possible. How did he survive that car bomb? How? >... >He's Superman!!
CLICK
Amazing episode with an amazing ending.
Blake Nguyen
Listening to them now. Dini cries over the Heart of Ice script, dude is so into his work it's great.
Adam Garcia
What kind of prison uses a gas chamber
Dominic Myers
>Forgetting that this is a reference to 60's Bats
Andrew Brown
Plenty. Five states allow death penalty by gas, Eight allow death by electrocution. Three allow death by firing squad. Two allow death by hanging.
All are available as alternatives to lethal injection if the inmate a) has the option and b) chooses the alternative.
Thomas Carter
I would imagine it's much easier to show Superman saving someone from a gas chamber than a lethal execution or the electric chair.
Jackson Peterson
>Young Justice flopped because it was a shitty, terribly written dreck that literally went out of it's way to annoy viewers
Asher Roberts
> but kids these days are reading and studying MORE than they were even a decade ago.
yeah cos the cartoons are poop
Isaac Sanchez
Yeah, this. Every time someone mourns Young Justice I wonder if we watched the same cartoon. That or I just watched the wrong episodes.
Luis Flores
I think a big part of why BTAS got to flourish where it did was because of the time it was released. Noir went through a huge revival in the 90s there was a big neo-noir boom that got everyone's appetites prepared for more classical crime storytelling. Then you had TV taking its first big steps into more serialised, mature storytelling.
We're never going to get something like BTAS again because crime fiction has fundamentally changed. A lot of the romanticised nostalgia has been stripped out just by practical reality. It's less noir and more stuff like Breaking Bad and Sicario, even the mainstream entertainment knows that you can't really sell the "sexy" aspects of organised crime like you used to.
Grayson Reyes
Feat of Clay, preferably part 2 of course. In fact me buying Detective Comics post-Rebirth is solely due to Clayface being in there, simply because of that episode and the score that goes with it.
Parker Bailey
watched pretty much every episode mentioned here, not bad. Favorite so far was Joker's Favor
James Barnes
I'd feel angry about all the other shows that copied the idea, but that it gives West almost regular work and exposer after being fucked over makes it alright.
Noah Diaz
Justice League, Superman, Batman, these series were so mature and fantastic.
Rewatching them. Shame they were never all made fully available on DVD in my country but they are on Prime.
Jordan Adams
I know it's mainly known for poking fun at silver age comics, but Brave and the Bold had a few serious business episodes.
The Christmas episode with Red Tornado probably has the saddest version of Bruce's parents' deaths ever, even if it doesn't quite line up with the show's own canon.
Jonathan Scott
>that season one episode of Ultimate Spider-Man where Nightmare tries to torment Peter with the ghost of his Uncle Ben >Tfw it backfires because Peter knows that Ben would be proud of him and we get a touching moment where they reunite OP confirmed faggot