Be american

>be american
>get thrown out of the hospital in the cold to freeze and die

Nice shithole you've got there
cbsnews.com/news/man-captures-video-of-patient-dumping-outside-baltimore-hospital/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=46822551

>people should get access to the service of others without paying for it

>In a statement, the University of Maryland Medical Center said that they "share the shock and disappointment of many who have viewed the video. In the end we clearly failed to fulfill our mission with this patient."
I love it when companies stay stuff like that because it's so clearly obvious that they know they fucked up and don't even have an excuse to damage control with.

>healtcare is a service, not a right

umm, yeah. ever heard of universal health care?

Typical 3rd world in denial mutt response

>Americans are hum-

Shouldn't have been homeless, I mean who was REALLY at fault here, let's be honest

>American education

OHHH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEEEEE

la creatura...

>He actually defends it

Thanks for reminding me that having empathy toward americans is stupid.

this but unironically

It's another one of THOSE threads:

>non-American finds story from one of our worst cities
>American points out that it's a terrible city
>"Yeah well, you judge us based on London/Paris/Malmo"
>Amerimutt pics
>"Whiter than you Muhammad"
>literally no intelligent discussion from anyone

Il mostro...

ehh, Sup Forums is shit anyway

You americans deserve every single mutt picture that has ever been and will be posted

I think that healthcare is a service and not a right. But at the same time, shit like this shouldnt happen. How do you balance the two between service and right?

I just wish it wasn't so formulaic.

but it's a fact that you get thrown out if you dont have ensurance (unless you are in critical condition at risk of losing your life, if i got it right)
i mean, it's pointless since it doesnt affect it in the little, but do the majority of muricans actually believe this is for the best?

>Americans unironically think discarding those they judge detrimental is an argument

What do you expect, the Nazis got their ideas of eugenics from America.

>but do the majority of muricans actually believe this is for the best?
No, and that's why we have changes to healthcare law all the time.

Bush Jr. implemented Medicare Part D, which is basically insurance for drugs for old people. The hope was it would stabilize the price of medicine. It didn't.

Obama implemented mandatory insurance coverage. The hope was that the economies of scale would help reduce costs overall. It didn't.

Trump repealed the individual mandate (but not other parts of the law as far as I know) hoping that would improve the system. I'm guessing it won't work.

Why we can't just copy Canada is beyond me.

would you pay for this man's healthcare?

well, i pay for people getting lung cancer from smoking so yeah
of course i wouldnt use limited resources on a guy like that (eg heart transplant, where a patient needs to demonstrate to be drug free or whatever damages the organ-free, and younger people get it first) but if standard drugs are affordable it would be ok
what if there is a car accident? would you treat only the guy who was in the right and left the one who caused it to die?
first heal, then we will talk about the rest
how come stuff is that much more expensive in america? i mean, a lot of cunts give universal healthcare, or at least at an affordable price
cant you just copy? or force them drug producers to be cheaper? i mean you are fucking united states, there must be some weight to your words if you ask for it?

>cant you just copy? or force them drug producers to be cheaper? i mean you are fucking united states, there must be some weight to your words if you ask for it?
That's what I don't understand. It shouldn't be that hard to copy Canada. We could even nationalize the existing insurance companies and keep most of the same people doing the same jobs.
As for forcing drugs to be cheaper, it seems like that would be possible. We have other laws for price controls (minimum wage, for example), so it's not like it would be unprecedented.

I don't get it, why do you all like healthcare but support conservative parties? Is it because you are so afraid of brown people that you support republicans, the parties that caused things like the refugee crisis or mexico's modern situation to happen in the first place?

America is so fucking heartless.

How can you live in a society that will dump your ass the moment you cannot fight for yourself anymore?

And then Americans wonder why their country is so divided.

disgusting.

The women of countries

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>Why we can't just copy Canada is beyond me
Because you are American

Beautiful.

at least here when new drugs get invented they have 5 years of rights to make money out of it, after that all others can produce it and price drops
dont know where the most expenses are, if for people working there or drugs. i guess it's pretty hard to say to someone that his incomes will be drastically cut, especially since america seems to believe a lot in that logic, or so it seems

it is a too profitable business to just give up

Survival of the fittest.

1.) Who supports conservative parties?
2.) Do you think conservative parties in every country are the same?
3.) What does America's foriegn policy have to do with our political views?
4.) What does our support for universal healthcare as a human right have to do with where we sit on the political spectrum?

I have no idea what you're on about

Survival of the fattest.

Small government is not actually a conservative position sweetie.

>spends most per capita on healthcare
>gets 3rd world tier healthcare access
OH NO NO NO NO

>access

It's not just access, they have higher rates of almist all diseases both chronic and acute, higher infant and maternal mortality rates, fewer years of quality life, and a lower life expcectancy by years. They are paying way more for way less and actually arguing for the privilege to do so.

You don't get thrown out of the hospital even in any of those cities

if they gave a shit about prevention maybe that wouldnt be so bad

what's wrong with pointing out how shit this country is?

They try, sort of. They have healthy eating initiatives and healthy food classes in public schools, readily available and affordable smoking and alcohol cessastion programs, healthy lifestyle insurance provider incentives, countless books, shows, and other media about healthy lifestyles, mandatory nutritional labeling on foods and at restaraunts, etc. It just doesn't seem to work on them
As with all of their problems right down to sharting it can mostly be blamed on their shitty system of government and 2 party political partisanship.

lot of their health issues are due to overeating trash fast food
if your people are too stupid to understand it's unhealthy, tax the shit out of them mc donalds, so prices increase until healthy food is way more convenient and people adapt
remove all shit food from public school, starting from those fucking flavoured milks and fries as vegetables

America is a fucking horrible country and if you defend it in any form you hate everything its founders stood for.

It's funny that insurance companies take most of the $$ from this system while doctors are getting paid less and less.

I am pretty sure than general practitioners in Australia or Canada are compensated better than the ones in the US.

Surgeons or specialists like anesthesiologist or dermatologist are paid a lot better in the US so there are a huge shortage of GPs in the US.

I can only suppose that, if this trend continues, the US will have a huge deficit in access to medicine as no one would want to work as a GP while insurance companies continue to increase the medical expense.

>will things get changed with a single payer system?
Well probably not. Pretty sure than insurance companies will find a leeway to fuck over this

It's been tried, states have tried implementing a "fat tax" on junk foods. Again, their partisan politics prevent it. They absolutely cannot agree on anything and they think everything is a life and death situation. So if a democrat recommends a fat tax the republicans will lose their fucking minds and scream about personal responsibility and the loss of freedom to choose.
Remember when Michelle Obama tried to start a healthy eating initiative in schools? She wanted to put good quality foods in schools and remove junk/vending machines as well as subsidizing healthy school meals in poor areas. To any sane person this would appear to be a politically safe and obvious cause, in America they crucified her over it and labelled her a communist that was chipping away at a parent's freedoms.
The whole country is fucking insane

well as i said this basically is of no concern to me nor anyone who isnt american but yeah it's pretty insane
i mean yeah of course i understand in their logic freedom of choosing is a main point, but dont they slap their kids when they misbehave? or just say "be free to act as you feel"? if they want to justify any single weakness they have by saying they are free to do so, then so be it, but why poison their kids with that attitude

>USA is a first wor.......

>USA calling any country a shithole while shit like that happens in the land of US and A

If you are poor here, you mind as well live in africa. There is a shitload of wealth and power here but you better claw and swallow your way up to get the scraps because you aren't getting any of it.

That is how it works here and that is how the vast majority of people accept it (none of the workers in the hospital try to ask to send her to a homeless shelter, or any other program that might give them a bit of help).

>It's okay because it's happening in a city

Even some animals like animals care for their ill and wounded. You are less human than a wild animal.

>giving a fuck about homeless darkies
>giving a fuck about poor people

OVER THE RAMPARTS WE WATCHED

>americans defend this

The day you get nuked I'm going to get blind drunk on champagne.

If we're so shitty, why does anyone want to immigrate here?

There are a few reasons.
>American political institutions are structurally biased against this kind of comprehensive reform.
>Americans tend to prefer individualism and limited government, and universal coverage inherently clashes with this belief
>Canada did not have a well-developed health insurance industry like in the US when they enacted their healthcare policy.

>positive "rights"
>t. retard who most likely doesn´t believe in the right to keep and bear arms

Jack London was right.

>That's what I don't understand. It shouldn't be that hard to copy Canada.
You can´t both keep the cake and eat it. If you want a nanny-state, move to Canada. Limited government is the name of the game in your nation, and will - hopefully - remain as such for the foreseeable future.

>rights are something you have to fucking believe in

"Rights" don't exist

"nanny-state" and "limited government" are meaningless buzzwords

>America is so fucking heartless.
>says the cuck whose government does not afford its citizens a right to protect their life, liberty and property against aggressors
I hope you´re robbed at gunpoint, beaten and left bleeding on the pavement one day - maybe that will teach you a lesson about the supposed heartlessness of other nations.

PS. "Positive rights" are not rights in the first place, because they require coercion to exist. As such, healthcare is a privilege, like any other exchange of services.

>dont know where the most expenses are, if for people working there or drugs.
Developing a new drug costs billions of dollars. No free lunches, kiddo.

>t's not just access, they have higher rates of almist all diseases both chronic and acute
Lifestyle diseases have no connection at all to the quality of their healthcare system, you mongoloid.
> higher infant and maternal mortality rates
In the ghettoes, yes.
> fewer years of quality life, and a lower life expcectancy by years.
No connection to the quality of their healthcare system.
>They are paying way more for way less and actually arguing for the privilege to do so.
Their cancer survival rates are superior to yours by miles.

I dont get whats wrong with this though. The american is right.
What makes me entitled to someone elses resources and what makes them entitled to mine? Nothing.
And what if i am never sick? Then it's just other people leeching off of me.
Fuck, i HATE HATE HATE socialism

Personally, I am proud to live in a country where you don't have to wait 10 years to have a non-urgent procedure.

Does that really happen in all of the countries with universal healthcare?

Smart people emigrate to America, while the double-digit IQ plebians - attempting to mask their inability to compete for US visas - bash America and Americans with poorly thought out arguments.

Positive and for that matter negative rights make more sense than the laughable concept of """"natural"""" rights.

>require coercion to exist
I guess property rights are not actual rights then.

No, two hours at most.

it does in cucknada

>"Rights" don't exist
The spirit of the law in your land essentially states that a Creator has endowed you with certain inalienable rights, which lay the groundwork of your political landscape and extremely prosperous history.. What you think of the matter is, thankfully, irrelevant.

dios mio

>be retarded lowlifer
>spend money on consuming
>complain when you don't have the money to cover basic needs
>"we need duh communism to help me"
death would be too kind for people like this

Sounds like coercion to me. Therefore, by your own logic, void.

this -> - which is why Cucknadians flock here in droves because if they ain't dying, they ain't going to get a procedure done anytime soon at home.

That doesn't mean that they exist. You've clearly smoked far too much ideology.

It's amazing that all we got after the last financial crash was occupy wall street (hippies squatting in parks) and the tea party (annoying facebook moms) and they were both super peaceful and even nice.

The mood has changed so much in the country and almost none of the underlying problems were fixed, shit is going to get real ugly if the economy turns again

>I guess property rights are not actual rights then.
In that you are correct. Only personal property - that which is in active use or carried on the person - exists. However, a modern technological society requires a police force and justice system to primarily serve as the enforcement of contracts.

It's been tried in big cities where everyone is young and healthy already
It hasn't been tried in the midwest and south where people eat fried chicken and gravy 7 days a week

>Sounds like coercion to me.
Which part? The rights laid out by the Constitution and Bill of Rights do not require coercion beyond minimal government bureaucracy in the form of law enforcement and a justice system.

You are free to live your life unarmed or armed, quietly or loudly, in rural or suburban landscapes; the list goes on.

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>That doesn't mean that they exist.
As long as the powers that be respect such a claim, they de facto exist.

It is certainly wiser than to hold the belief that government is both the moral and legal compass of the people it governs.

So you're acknowledging that there are no "inalienable rights" and these laws are respected primarily for pragmatic reasons?

>So you're acknowledging that there are no "inalienable rights" and these laws are respected primarily for pragmatic reasons?
I explicitly said
>"The spirit of the law"
At the beginning of the post you quoted earlier.

you do pay for it you fucking idiots. the purpose of taxation is to make services, like roads, healthcare, or military defense available to all citizens by having each one pay a small portion of the overall cost, which they would not be able to afford individually.

Your ""ideology"" is a meme
You will hang on the day of rope along with kikes

We know that, user. It's just that we prioritize our compatriots not bleeding out on the street over having a gorillion warboats.

It's always strange when you run into these autists from countries with higher standards of living and quality of life who shit on their system and furiously defend the worst parts of your own homeland.

>we can spend 600 billion on military to bomb civilians but we can't spend a cent on healthcare 'cuz that's "socialism"
please nuke us.

nice corporate country you got there

maybe if you had a gorillion warboats you could retake the falklands :)

heh, tell me about it.
When I was in the united states my AETNA student plan basically spelled out that I would be insured only for car crashes and OPD procedures related to ER visits.

>americans have a gorillion warboats
>can't even take North Korea, lose vietnam and run away from the middle east.

Whatever do you mean by Aryan bruder? What could boring old cucked Germany offer you that based U.S.A. couldn't? Did I mention my PreuBen heritage? :^)