Why is degeneracy bad?

Seems like the countries with the highest quality of life (western countries and east asians countries like japan) also allow the highest amount of freedom and indulgence, in things like entertainment, sex, porn, drugs, etc. The countries with the lowest quality of life all seem to have extremely stringent standards of what someone can do.

I mean shit, sure seems like life is so much better in countries that allow people to have their fun and their release, in the ways they want it. Otherwise all of the frustration probably bottles up and gets turned out into other ways like violence.

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good point

Because I can't get laid.

In the short term you enjoy the pleasure.

In the long term, society collapses due to the destruction of the nuclear family. Which is slowly happening.

because Sup Forums shares the same belief system as isis
kek confirms

Degeneracy encourages corruption and all the other attributes that destroy societies. Study ancient rome. By its fall, it was entirely degenerate. No one really cared the society and empire was falling as long as the games and partying continued.

Look up Plutarch

If it's such a quality of life, why are you trying to defend it?

All good things come to an end and when you can't get X your resort to y which than leads to Z and you start whining about "Where did it all go wrong??!?!?"

This thread reminds me.

I was in the supermarket today at 20:30 buying food for supper when suddenly I see these two short girls, one of them wearing these orange coloured ultra-short shorts where her buttocks are literally hanging out.
She was wearing a cardigan tied round her waist to cover it a bit but you could still see that basically all of her lower buttocks were exposed.

I walked around to get a look st her from the front and I was confused for a second trying to work out her she and then I realised that she really was a young teenager like 15 or 16 dressed like that. pretty face.

But God the way her plump, perky, short girl teen ass was just hanging out there like the ripest, juiciest peach you've ever seen.

If I wasn't dressed like a slob in tracksuit bottoms and a lazy tshirt because I didn't expect to see anyone who mattered, I would have shamelessly hit on her and tried to get her number.

So anyway until I'm father to a little girl I'm going to enjoy watching these little teen sluts show off their bodies.

correlation does not = causation

even if there is a casual effect it could run either way.

>25yo /fit/ working man
>want to stand for all Sup Forums represents
>hate degeneracy and laziness
>love culture and personal responsibility
>but I'm a nigger corrupting multiple teenage white girls with the BBC and fat stacks of cash and it feels too good to stop

Degeneracy leads to weakening of the social framework of a culture. Over time that weakening will cascade into complete collapse of the culture as a means to regulate human interactions without intervening force (aka Government, police, etc.)

So degeneracy leads directly to growth of government, and government is generally pretty horrible at doing anything well. And degeneracy is pretty easy to spot in a healthy culture and if you want that to stay healthy you stop or cast out the degenerates. Unfortunately the Jess have already rotted the base of western culture to the point that most people cannot even see degeneracy when it twerks it's way right in front of them.

Read Industrial society and its future by Ted Kaczynski.

What you're talking about are surrogate activities that we indulge ourselves in because none of our basic primal needs are fulfilled when we we're being taken care of by society from cradle to grave and in return all we have to do is put minimal effort in a specialized monotonous job where don't get to make use of any of our mental facilities. What Ted suggests is that in order to be content you have to struggle for your survival and you have to get your own food yourself in your own creative way, otherwise you're going to start looking for surrogate activities that never actually quenches your thirst.

You only care about degeneracy because you care about sex. Stop caring about sex. Go better yourself somehow.

his face makes me uncomfortable

Should of taken pictures man. If I was there I would get their numbers, then on the first date I would pound her nice tight ass.

"Those who love their lives will lose it, but those who hate their lives for my sake will keep it for eternal life"

15“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

32“Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, while your eyes look on and yearn for them continually; but there will be nothing you can do. 33“A people whom you do not know shall eat up the produce of your ground and all your labors, and you will never be anything but oppressed and crushed continually. 34“You shall be driven mad by the sight of what you see. 35“The LORD will strike you on the knees and legs with sore boils, from which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot to the crown of your head. 36“The LORD will bring you and your king, whom you set over you, to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods, wood and stone. 37“You shall become a horror, a proverb, and a taunt among all the people where the LORD drives you.

I would like to lick that girls butthole

It's ok to enjoy a piece of candy. Too much will make you fat and if you eat a bad piece you get sick. Its about the lack of discipline.

It's the long terms costs.

Sex, Long term cost would be getting a STD or deprivation from wanting sex for procreation.

Porn, Long term cost being erectile dysfunction or having unrealistic expectations when having intercourse.

Drugs, Long term cost would be having either a physical or psychological Dependence on drugs.

Nothing wrong with moderate usage but always remember Long Term consequences

sounds a lot like the state whites are in huh?

32: miscegenation being rampant

33: welfare, refugees and foreign aid to people who hate us sucking up resources

34: neets

35: STDs from sexual deviancy

36: worshiping kek, trump etc meme magic

37: yet to come

Such a cute ass

Because fucking bitches like this off tinder gets old after a while. Everyone fucking everyone isn't good for society.

>pic related and oc

Fuck this fuck everything
I leave this shit and go back to /r9k/
You discuss degeneracy and fucking while I cannot fuck any girl except those who I pay for their time

Because:
1) That "degeneracy" really means people living in comfortable luxury
2) This is due to those people living in nations that have aggregated wealth from around the world through practicing the modern version of capitalism, a system where participants compete among each other for success
3) There are other countries that still exist who are less complacent due to a less entrenched desensitization to luxury, since it isn't as omnipresent as here where such comfort is taken for granted

Because degeneracy works against the principles that keep a society stable. It's unsustainable.

Do you think she is more concerned with winning the video game she is playing or how her ass looks to passers by?

Come to the US man. Bitches are easy here.

It encourages the leaves.
Like this

It's just a circle. Every great nation in the history had fallen down because of degenaracy and rise up from warfare

Marquis de Sade was right. Virtue is the enemy of liberty.

Good for you m8. Teen sluts are thirsty for cocks

Thanks sexual freedom, easy girls everywhere!

Where in the hell are you getting your information from? Japan is one of the strictest countries in the world. Not only is their porn censored, but Japan has some of the strictest drug laws in the world. You could be ostracized from society for doing weed. It's that bad. Indulgence? You can be fired for being too fat for fuck's sake. Don't even get me started on tattoos, piercings.

>>"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down"

,-Actual Japanese proverb

I'd let her straddle my crotch rocket, if you catch my drift

Did you really just recommend a book by the Unabomber?

You misconstrue liberty as slavery to your own desires. If the fullest form of liberty is the 120 days of Sodom i'd sooner find happiness in slavery.

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So much this

>implying his actions discredit his argument and analysis

>just be a degenerate in moderation! What could possibly go wrong!

The west is doomed

>In the long term, society collapses due to the destruction of the nuclear family. Which is slowly happening.

This is such a huge leap in logic to make. Look at Afghanistanis and Pakistanis that are full blown degenerate, esp the tribals and shit.

They do tons of drugs, are fucked up in the head, diddle little boys and they still plop out 7 kids / family

>inb4 rome

Because when the release becomes the norm, it is no longer a release.

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Slippery slope is real.
People with out discipline are more degenerate.
People who become degenerate lose discipline.

It's all fun and games until the liberals let Jamal fuck your kids, OP.

like, omg

You misunderstood the 120 days of sodom to mean thats how we should live our lives.

It was an exercise in human psychology. To make us aware that our virtues merely hide whats underneath. All of the social norms has something deeper in it. We are self domesticated animals.

It's not suggesting what you think.

I suggest reading Justine.

I see the term thrown around alot, what exactly classifies something as degeneracy?

No, they're saying doing these things in moderation will not lead to degeneracy.

You literally can't have too much of a good long term monogamous relationship.

Prove me wrong degenerates.
>as much sex as you want, no STDs
>don't need porn when you can just tell her you want sex

They aren't degenerate, their backwards culture is all they have ever known.

And it's at least stable where as ours are volatile.

Doing these things are degenerate in themselves you relativistic reprobate.

Ok but they have shit values.

(YOU)

ummm, YUROPOOR tourists tho?

If you don't like the lifestyle, don't live it. There are logical reasons for not living it such as avoiding STD.

>It was an exercise in human psychology. To make us aware that our virtues merely hide whats underneath

This is elementary. Basic biblical shit. Except the bible at least offers a solution to it with Jesus coming to circumcise the heart.

But its absolute degeneracy. They fuck little boys and do hella drugs.

Our society is volatile regardless. The west needs more than just nuclear families to survive. Capitalism, technology, democracy, etc makes everything volatile already. Huge swathes of the workforce will be completely left useless in the near future.

Everyone wants to compare Rome to the West. A bit more hooking up and some 420 time isn't going to make society collapse. We still have to work full time to support any kind of existence really

Never lasts very long m8

Actions do not exist in a vacuum. This is a pathetic offshoot of the "don't judge" garbage.

Except the solution makes it worse.

Degeneracy means you degenerated from a higher standard. This backwards way of life is all they have ever known.

This

I recall America being alot stronger 50s and prior before all the degeneracy. In fact the degeneracy of the 60s seems to have corresponded with America's slow decline on the world stage

Society if always at the edge of collapsing but we always find a way to stay as happy dumbass.

I am not saying don't judge. I am saying everyone has a choice. I prefer choice to a theocracy myself.

>living a life like Christ makes it worse

I really don't think the few who genuinely walk the narrow path are degenerate, even in their heart of hearts. It takes genuinely great faith.

Source on this demon?

Well said.

WHAT? Roma collapses cause it was too fucking big to even be administrated! They were attacked constantly by barbarics and when they couldn't steal the richness from the place they invaded their politics of army=money made the empire to decay.

The road is very narrow for a reason. Hypocrisy is much more obvious and widespread.

To pretend to be virtuous while not and at the same time subjugating others for not being as holy as them.

Virtue attracts chaos to it. Just look at Jesus.

God gives you a choice, and the bulk of man chooses evil at every chance. You said if it's bad just don't do it! implying you shouldn't try to convince others to live a life that's self-destructive because we must respect the wrong decisions.

It's OC. I have about 60 nudes/sex pics +vids. I've yet to upload them onto /s/ or /gif/ though.

Please do it

shes coming over next week again. Shes been my fwb for a couple years. Check /s/ next thursday/friday. You might see a dump.

Be a nationalist,if you are in the new world you can easily do it. Also if you respect yourself like you said you do other will respect you as well. Siegfried, friend.

How do we measure a country's progress? How do we morally declare that one country is superior to another? Do we measure its GDP? What about comparing educational statistics or quantitatively calculated standards of living?

None of these raw figures so cherished by globalist propagandists are a fair measure of a country's actual worth, of its actual progress. Because to the moral philosopher it might seem that the higher these cherished globalist statistics are, the worse, the more selfish and idle, a population becomes.

With hardship comes moral fiber. A population subjected to work and sacrifice learns the value of life and comes to hold as important those things which are useful and good. The farmer or laborer who never move beyond the level of subsistence work would scoff at the idea of idly exploring the latest kinks propagated by pornography websites on the internet.

When a people are challenged, when they are not over-prosperous, they are geared towards necessary behavior; when a people are pampered, their idle hands are put to use by devils and demons, effectively turning themselves into instruments of ill use since their true purpose has been removed.

In essence, a country or society peaks when they have endured generations of hardship and know what it's like, but when ease and over-prosperity come that people weakens from within and collapses.

>Why is degeneracy bad?

It's narrow yes, what was the old axiom? not but 1 in 10,000 are saved? likely closer to 1 in 10,000,00 now adays.

Those with a log in their eye are not living a life like jesus, regardless they typically "subjugate" others for not being holy period.

No, I am saying that we should teach people a modicum of responsibility for their own lives. If they want to be happy, they should avoid certain pitfalls. People don't need dogma to realize the obvious. There will always be those that go out of there way to live a very risky life. I just won't take away their liberty to prevent them from doing it. It's at their own risk.

It's also an issue of what is meant by degenerate. I can't read your mind and if I can I wouldn't agree with many of it as being destructive.

I prefer commitment partly because it limits the risk of STDs but I respect freedom of choice. And according to you, so does God.

There is no such thing as holy. Only God is holy. All have fallen short of the glory of God.

The subjugation lies in the lie of holiness of man. That would come from God.

It's that mote in the eye that causes self professed holy men to take the liberty of others. The free choice god has given them.

God damn mate, wanna give us bros some pointers on how you hooked her?

But rome was constantly attacked even when they were on top and ruling it all . . . Barbarians should have been no problem for them were they not weakened by degeneracy

>le gotcha

I just used holy as a synonym for virtue, or sinlessness.

You worship liberty in a secular sense as if there is some benefit to making poor decisions that can be avoided. This really requires an ingrained belief in relativism. God's purpose for liberty is to separate the good fish from the bad. This life is just a test.

Time for war.

You're such a nice man, to give these girls the dicking they need.

Even if I was in your position looks and personality wise I probably wouldn't have the heart to do such a public service.

People don't understand.

They don't see the war that is coming. It will be more terrible than WW2.

It might not happen in my lifetime but it's coming.

She's a slut, she has a purpose and that purpose is to be fucked.

Well judging from the pics, he's white, fit, dominant and has a nice cock.

Degeneracy has made our society decadent and apathetic.

It's not about "getting you". I am having an interesting conversation with you. This isn't about winning but sharing our ideas.

I think that you would find that we share the same beliefs but that we don't express within the same framework.

I don't worship anything. I have admiration for freedom. It's the delusion of virtue that causes many pitfalls in society. Even your theology has something to say about it.

You see liberty as a way for god to split off the wheat from the tares. We both respect liberty. You said so yourself that God has a purpose for it. Your objection of me is that I have removed God and objective sin from the equation.

Everything in moderation. Vice isn't degenerate. Devoting your life to vice is. That's why they are known as vices.

>third world countries have stringent standards

nigga what.

have you ever been to a third world country?

they are dumb as rocks and fuck like rabbits. they smoke. they drink. they would engage in all of this degenerate shit if they had access to internet - most of which still don't.

fun fact: first-world countries have higher rates of depression and suicide than third-world countries. think about that for a sec.

Degeneracy is the same if not worse in 3rd world shitholes. It is just masked by lack of information.

When was the last time you gave a fuck about poo in the loos cutting their dick and balls off, Pinoys whoring out their children or Arabs getting genetic defects from fucking their siblings?

Yeah but there's a lack of attractive men out there who are willing to step up and help them fulfil their purpose. There's a lot of girls who feel worthless as a result.

So it's really kind of you to help so many girls find fulfillment.

It depends. Poland isn't very degenerate. Brazil and the Philippines are way more degenerate than the United States.

Its not degeneracy becauase thats how they always were, poor and uneducated. They just have shit culture to begin with.
Degeneracy means a regression from a previous height or achievement. Which is true of western countries

>I don't worship anything

everyone unfortunately puts their faith in something. religious or no

My primary objection was this. I don't advocate for forced virtue as it isn't really possible. There is only so much you can do for a person. I do however don't believe any degenerate deserves to have the freedom to be a degenerate respected and be free from judgement. I'm not exactly in favor of lawlessness for the sake of pure liberty either. Society can not survive with an unprincipled populace and the whole suffers from the decisions of individuals.

Oh that's a good point actually.

If I do, I don't know what it would be. I suppose that I have faith that I'll wake up tomorrow after falling asleep tonight.

on this board, it's really just virtue signalling by extremist asshats. But generally it means that vice becomes the norm and people stop giving a shit about society, culture, and discipline

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