Let's settle this once and for all. (Aeronautics Engineer here)
>Definitions of Airplane from Merriam-Webster "A machine that has wings and an engine and that flies through the air" / "A powered heavier-than-air aircraft with fixed wings from which it derives most of its lift"
>Facts USA: Brothers Wright did their first powered flight in 14 December 1904. Although their heavier-than-air plane could fly perfectly, it could not take off by itself. BUT THERE WAS A FLAW: It used a controversial catapult system which restricted it from obtaining the merit of first actual airplane.
Brazil: Santos Dumont did his first powered flight in a public event in Paris mid-1905. His plane could take off by itself and it maneuvered perfectly, YET THERE WAS A FLAW: Dumont's plane could not fly for more than 260 meters (which was more than the 220 meters required by the French Aeronautics Competition), it could only make long jumps / frog hops.
>Conclusions Although I like Dumont, claiming he invented the airplane is like saying a kid invented the car because he pushed a hand-wheel with another kid on it. A plane must achieve sustainable flight and do not stop for its own technical limitations, but rather limitations of the engine / power that feeds it. You could give Dumont all fuel in the world, his plane would still only leap.
By the definition of Merriam-Webster, the Wright Brothers invented the airplane first than Dumont.
BUT you can make the arguement that although some aircrafts do require forms of catapults to achieve flights, such as some carrier planes, space busses and a few jets made throughout the 20th century; the Wright Brothers' plane would be nothing but a car with wings without a catapult. While it can manage flight, it definitely couldn't start it.
So who would I judge as the inventor of the airplane?
>Neither Brazil's Dumont, nor USA's the Wrights
New Zealand's Richard Pearse ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse ) did his first flight in 31 March 1903. Although his plane could not be handled like the Wright's, it could achieve flight on its own and maintain flight on its own capacity. By any definition of an airplane, Pearse invented it.
Do you agree with my arguement? Please discuss.
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Benjamin King
WE WUZ AIRBORNE N SHEEIIIT
Jose Cook
>Can't even flush a toilet >expects us to believe brazil invented the airplane
Caleb Kelly
DESIGNATED
Dominic Powell
Since New Zealand did not exist yet in 1903, I don't know, I'm not a historian; the British Empire actually invented the airplane!
Another victory of imperial engineering! Screw the yanks and monkeys, the British Empire did it first.
God Save the Queen!
Charles Kelly
WE
Camden Campbell
Guys, this is a serious discussion.
Please read the actual posts. I'm actually taking the victory away from Brazil out of factual analysis.
But you must understand why the invention of the airplane is so important.
Brazilians have always been self-aware of their marginal status when compared to the West just like South America. The legend of Dumont was born in a time when no one knew what Brazil was exactly.
By 1930s, the government started stimulating historical analysis from many artists and specialists in order to find the brazilian identity. Santos Dumont was decided as part of it. I must remind you that this event was before the football, the bunda and the brazilian churrasco became a thing.
The legend of Dumont was born out of the will of a few poor people to find themselves in the world and remember that they are something and can achieve greatness.
Please don't bully Brazil for this. You have no idea what Santos Dumont means for us. It's not an inventor, it's a national hero. When you guys say the Wrights did it first, we feel exactly like when BLM activists say that the inventions of your people were stolen from black individuals.
Evan Walker
Sorry burguers you have your achievements but anecdotal evidence does not count.
I definitely admire what he Dumont did. Santos Dumont is the man and he had gigantic balls of stell, just take a look what he did:
> Builds a guided ballon (dirigible) and circles the Eiffel tower
> performs a well documented (by third parties, international aviation federation, video, you name it) first flight.
Note: First flight as an airplane is expected to do: self powered, he takes off by his own means, flies then lands safely.
> went to fucking France to show its 14-bis flying to the world. In 1906.
> built the Demoiselle, his improved airplane
> the madman even used Demoiselle as every day commute, visit friends, buy groceries and such
Come on Burguers just study the history properly and swallow that redpill, you are gonna give Santos Dumont the credit he well deserves and fell much better afterwards.
You may have the moon, But the airplane is ours.
Charles King
Jesus.
Logan Young
the Wright Bros. first flight was in 1903, not 1904.
>1903 The wrights did sort of cheat with the catapult, but it was designed to take off and land in sand dunes; having anything other than skids would not make sense, and the static friction associated with the sand+wood skid combo required the launching from a rail. The catapult was a bonus. But to say it was not a powered flight would be ridiculous when the top flight time was near a full minute, it took off from level ground, and raised and lowered throughout the flight. Compare that to the initial flights of like 12 seconds and a hundred or so feet. It would be reasonable to be skeptical of the first flight, but the fourth and final flight of the day is very evidently a powered flight. In any case, the wrights were the first to have a functional 3 dimensional control system. Whereas the Europeans and others could only make stiff, flat turns, the wrights could make banked turns. Dumont and the others were significant in developing flight, but lacking suitable control systems, it was of dubious value.
Cooper Sanchez
Bump for truth.
Joseph Hall
Whatever drives you forward into your bleak existence.
Asher Adams
They did make glider flights in 1903, but the initial 4 successful powered flights were made in December 1903. The nearby lighthouse operator wrote about it in his journal along with other primary sources.
Ian Jones
This is the true red pill.
emotional appeal THAT hard ...
Oliver Evans
No, Dumont was significant in aviation history even disregarding the contested first flight. Brazilians make an inflated deal of him, but Dumont was still important.
Thomas Gutierrez
Richard Pearse created a form of airplane in 1903.
Jonathan Long
it's no use, the amerifat can't deal with facts. In some years, they will probably affirm that they invented the hamburgers as well.
Cooper Martinez
Yes, he won.
Read the second post.
I explain everything from an engineer's perspective.
We did not invent the airplane, Brazil.
Read the two posts, please.
Why is no one reading the entire analysis?
Carter Torres
I'm starting to see a link here.
People in country's with poor hygiene and lack of sanitation are trying to take to the skies so they can get some shit free air.
It all makes sense now.
Mason Cooper
...
Hunter Kelly
said the poortuguese, Even if we had low standards when it comes to sanitation, it would only be because of your people legacy, you, the laughing stock of europe.
Regardless of who was actually the first the wright brothers are already set into history. You could say the same of the beatles who took what was rock and made it into what they did. They made it popular. People won't care.
Carter Sullivan
Pearse himself admitted the Wrights beat him.
Jeremiah Sullivan
>1904 >Not 1903 flight You're wrong from the get-go.
>1905 >Not 1906
Ryan Campbell
Based off the definition, the wright brothers
Robert Fisher
It was a typo.
Read the rest.
Anthony Morris
WE
Gabriel Butler
fellow monkey, our country is proud of you *sobs*
John Cook
This whole thing is starting to sound like some weird psyop experiment, that's going to be in the papers and clickbait sites for weeks. >Who really flew first! >Heated internet debate, click here, do you think it was Burgers or Hues who flew first?
Aaron Scott
Still blaming us for all your problems. It's only been like what 400 years or so?
And I can assure you our sanitation is great and our rivers are body and virus free members free.
Xavier Diaz
I thought this guy was Spanish or Portuguese or some shit.
Not from Brazil. Also, wasn't he a notorious con-man?
Lucas Bennett
Nz was founded in 1840 via signing of treaty of waitangi.
Nzers have been claiming this one for years
Angel Morris
Why is this even a discussion? The french didn't like the idea that the yanks had got there first, so proceeded as though the wrights were frauds (they were called 'bluffeur' or bluffers in the french press).
In 1906 the french bird made a 50 meter flight lasting seconds. In 1905 the wright flyer was staying aloft for 40 minutes at a time, covering 30 or 40 kilometres.
But that's not the point, what the wrights invented was flight control, 3 axis motion that allowed maneuvering in sustained flight. This what flying means, taking off could require anything from sky ramps to explosions, who cares? It's what it's capable of when it's up that counts.
In 1908 when the french finally saw the wrights in action they recanted, and fully embraced the wrights and legitimate. Now, 100 years later, some people ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET claim some sort of 'victory' because a french invention that was obsolete before it got off the ground occurred at a time when people couldn't readily tell what other people were doing, so they capitalized on doubt.
Blake Clark
>This is also wrong, read the post.
Sorry, but you seem retarded.
Anyway I red your post, moron. It is not even a reference. Give me a break.
You don't even know about Clement Ader. Your post is wrong, you is wrong, you suck.
Parker Roberts
We did not invent the airplane. I'm sorry, we didn't.
He's just our national hero because we did not have anything else.
Samuel Moore
Mane you suck gringos balls don't you? Because you are showing some potential.
Or you are just confirming you're retarded.
Of course Santos Dumont invented the airplane, there is no question.
Also, read abot Padre Landwell de Moura, pioneer of telecommunications, to see how Brazilians invented things.
Mason Diaz
He had a hard on for Brazil, so the Brazilians claim him.
Ayden Murphy
Landwell also did not invent anything.
He tried. If he had been born somewhere else, he'd have.
You are on "WE WUZ INVENTORS" level right now. Read the actual data and watch the actual videos. Dumont is a myth.
Austin Russell
This is nigger tier.
Alexander Gutierrez
Bump.
Brandon Rogers
More important than the airplane was the first person to invent powered flight generated by lift using wings, regardless of control or launch. Everything besides generating enough lift to gain any altitude is just an improvement.
Kayden Johnson
/thread
James Ortiz
Ask a kang anything.
Jayden Morris
Dumont's plane looks and sounds more like a ground-effect craft than an airplane.
If it can't fly more than 260 meters, it can't attain an altitude above, ballpark guess, 30-50 meters while maintaining a stable, controllable flight.
The Wright brother's flight required an assist to take off, but so do overloaded C-130s so...
William James
>Who really invented the Airplane? >Invented That'd actually be George Cayley. The Wright Bros were the first to actually build and fly an airplane, though.
