So, contrary to the stereotype, Sup Forums has taught me that anti-semites DO NOT believe in a "global jewish conspiracy", or some nonsense like that. What they believe is that Jews are a competitor ethnic group, for rational, self-interested reasons -- but spend a lot of effort trying to trick people into thinking they're harmless, and only have good intentions. This gives Jewish behavior a subversive character in countries where Jews are a minority. Anti-semites claim that Jews stoke social divisions for their own benefit as outsiders, who gain privilege by seeming to be vulnerable and without agency. Anti-semites also believe that Jews have a strong ethnic identity, and are extremely hostile toward non-Jews; their in-group isolation and insularity perpetuates their predatory and hostile behavior toward others.
Despite all these criticisms of Jews, anti-semites believe that their own group should emulate the same behaviors as Jews, toward the Jews, because such ethnic conflict is the most natural state of things, and is unavoidable. Jews will always be hostile, so people should be hostile toward them.
Have I correctly understood the true nature of anti-semitism here on Sup Forums?
I believe all that, and also in the "global Jewish conspiracy" insomuch that Jews hold a baseline belief that they are better than everyone else are religiously destined to rule over them. They believe that through racial division and wealth accumulation they may accomplish that.
Adrian Hernandez
Jews thrive on anti-semitism and victimization . Jews lead or influence most of organized anti-semitism .
Jacob Baker
But what evidence is their of a literal "global conspiracy"? I can see how someone might say Zionists were global, because they literally were, and all worked together for the same goal (Israel), but that's nothing like a "protocols of the elders of zion" tier conspiracy theory. You could even say Israel conspires internationally, but so does every other major nation with a CIA or KGB. The US government is a global conspiracy by that definition. I'm just saying, I don't think the stereotype is typical. Maybe some people are full-on "protocols are true", but I think people see the Jews as their enemies for more primitive reasons, like, just recognizing a competing tribe.
Cameron Walker
Why do people act like a cohesive Weltanshauung of a global conspiracy is necessary to have strong beliefs in this regard? The reality is that the world is controlled by the elite. So much is undeniable. And if you think they're not in large part Jewish, you're just plain wrong.
SO what? Its possible to believe things are in the works and resent the Jews for their large role.
James Hughes
You make a really fine point. Ironically, your point is so good that it allows me to resent Israel simply for their geopolitical moves. Nationalism? No, patriotism, requires that I at minimum dislike Israel for their well-documented military espionage w/r/t the US, as well as much of Western Europe (France).
Ayden Brown
Bravo that's elequanteley put and in a rational explanation without fallacies. They are indeed the group with the highest IQ and thus, get to the upper echelons of society easily and favor those in their group.
Jacob Allen
Fuck off invader.
Samuel Kelly
>they have the highest IQ and thus deserve to be on top I'm jewish and that's a myth. Ashkenazim are vastly over sampled in studies, while other groups are virtually ignored and studied at a far lower rate. It's like how the polls are skewed by oversampling Democrats, if you need a recent analogy. Jews are actually very, very nepotistic; it's an expression of over-developed ethnic pride. Even our victimhood complex that our liberals develop is a twisted expression of our ethnic pride.
Ian Gutierrez
I'd say that you're right on most of it except >anti-semites believe that their own group should emulate the same behaviors as Jews No, we just need to be able to combat them on their terms
Ethan Wood
>I'm new here >makes a thread anyway
Ryan Hill
>we just need to be able to combat them on their terms isn't that the same thing? If you fight them on their terms, you're emulating them.
Xavier Wood
>jew culture based upon nepotism and cronyism >what could possible go wrong?
Jeremiah Moore
It's less a global conspiracy and just that there are lots of influential Jews that push a lot of stuff that has destabilized the West. You don't say that parasites are all conspiring, doesn't mean that they don't have influence over your the host's health and in some cases, the host's behavior
Hudson Garcia
well, relatively new. i've been lurking for a good month or two without starting many threads. just enough to learn how to.
Elijah Bailey
that's a good point, but i think what a lot of goyim miss about jews is that they're fundamentally a nomadic people. They've been rootless compared to other ethnic groups, while making up for it by rooting themselves in all these abstract elements of cultural identity. That also entails treating everyone as a potential predator, which isn't irrational, it's just what you evolve to do to survive as a wandering people. Does that mean we "parasite" on other minorities wherever we go? yes, when we don't assimilate. That's my major criticism of my own people, that we're so anti-assimilation. I think it was a sickness, that it made our influence in history seem malevolent. Often times it is. Most Jews don't feel comfortable admitting that, but it's objectively true. We admit it to each other, but deny it around outsiders.
Tyler Allen
Lately I've been sleeping with a jew. I've got brown eyes but dirty blond hair not the biggest loss. Anyway much as I want to hate her she's the smartest girl I've ever been inside. Its something else. It drives me crazy desu. I cant not fall for that
Benjamin Butler
anyway, thanks for the replies. I like the structure of Sup Forums. The anonimity is cool. You can be as honest as you want without consequences. Or you can pretend to be someone you're not. It's a very creative environment. Cheers anons.
Sebastian Thompson
>that's a good point, but i think what a lot of goyim miss about jews is that they're fundamentally a nomadic people. Oh we're well aware. A big factor to that though is that you don't belong in the West and your cultural values are incompatible with Christianity and Western Civilization, up until this past century when suddenly everyone has to like Jews because >muh holocaust >They've been rootless compared to other ethnic groups, while making up for it by rooting themselves in all these abstract elements of cultural identity. That also entails treating everyone as a potential predator, which isn't irrational, it's just what you evolve to do to survive as a wandering people. Does that mean we "parasite" on other minorities wherever we go? yes, when we don't assimilate. That's my major criticism of my own people, that we're so anti-assimilation. I think it was a sickness, that it made our influence in history seem malevolent. Often times it is. Most Jews don't feel comfortable admitting that, but it's objectively true. We admit it to each other, but deny it around outsiders. You're right on the mark. I'd say Jews are comparable to Roma Gypsies. I don't think there is a moral side to it which you seem to be trying to take, that Jews are morally justified in some way, by the same logic the so called holocaust would also be justified.
Dylan Richardson
I'm different than a lot of liberal jews in the west in that I have a notion of nationalism not that dissimilar to the National Socialist one. I would largely agree with you. I don't think Jews in the diaspora have any business being outside of Israel on a permanent basis. I'm surrently in the process of moving back to Israel now, in large part over this sentiment. I have a great love of US consitutionalism, but I think it's critical that the US maintain a strong ethnic ideintity regarding it's origins. Once that is erased, and the US becomes fully rootless, the world will be harmed. Jews have the opportunity to have roots now that we have Israel. Any jew that denies the significance of this is cancer. I fully support the anti-semites here in their disdain for such Jews because I myself have such anti-semitism. Many in Israel do as well. It represents a significant divide among Jews, one that many of you probably had no clue about.
My best advice to you is to think of such jews as a sort of convenient ally, ie, the enemy of the my enemy is my friend. Jews in the disapora that align with liberals, leftists, or neocons do more to destroy jews everywhere than any anti-semite goyim ever could.
Oliver Ortiz
>Have I correctly understood the true nature of anti-semitism here on Sup Forums?
Nope. There are many strands of antisemitism. Personally I hate the kikes for theological reasons.
Eli Rodriguez
Those pones are a bit too fine for most of Sup Forums to properly appreciate them I'm afriad.
You aren't wrong - in fact I'd argue this is the single sanest approach to the topic I've seen here so far - but you people are plunging the topic to a depth I'm afraid just flat-out can't be appreciated by most people here.
Adrian Sullivan
Very accurate, though I think the top 1% of is plotting against ordinary white people to steal their wealth, through the control of central banks, for instance.
Ethan Walker
>Personally I hate the kikes for theological reasons. That's like me blaming you for the bombing of Dresden.
Jason Jackson
>But what evidence is their of a literal "global conspiracy"? You see a lot of the same actors pushing the same narrative.
It matters what you mean by Jews. The average Jew is for the most part concerned with the same pursuits as any middle to upper class Westerner.
The specific group that causes the most trouble is a subset of the Jewish people who are keenly interested in causing trouble. They are protected by regular Jews out of in group preference, but they themselves have no such affinity. They will from time to time advocate policies that will harm ordinary Jews in order to achieve their own ends.
>I know the slander of those who claim to be Jews and are not, but rather are members of the assembly of Satan. Revelation 2: 9
Jace Ortiz
Yeah that's true, and that is a kind of conspiracy with international dimensions, but the subtext of the stereotype used to dispariage you guys is by dismissing you for believing stuff like the Protools of the Elders of zion, or even that you think Jews are the Borg and are all in on the same conspiracy. I'm saying I haven't seen that here in an unironic way. I've seen people memeing that, but no one I would believe really thinks it. Like I said, for every international group of Jews pursuing Jewish interests internationally, there is a bigger group of goyim doing the same. International conspiracies are the norm, but not the Illuminatee paranoid kind, right?
Christopher Cooper
>Protools of the Elders of zion, >Borg >illuminatee paranoid I wouldn't go this far.
Some 'elites' definitely work together or conspire to pursue their ends. It's normal behavior to conspire with others. Corporations conspire to not compete in each others' markets, and to form oil cartels like OPEC. Conspiracy is a legal definition.
But not every single elite is conspiring simultaneously in a boardroom. I think it would work more like the intelligence community where things are compartmentalized, like the Manhattan Project which had over 100,000 workers but kept secret.
Brody Perez
An example of the different types of Jews would be opinions toward gentile institutions like Christianity.
Ordinary Jews don't really have strong opinions on the subject. Christianity doesn't stop them from practicing law or medicine, so it doesn't matter. They may even see it as a small good in the sense that everyone shares the ten commandments.
Religious Jews may oppose Christianity for religious reasons. They may view statues of Jesus as idol worship, and consider his claims blasphemous. Nevertheless, they are much more concerned with their own faith than trying to destroy someone else's.
But there are other Jews who hate Christianity. Not for religious reasons, as they tend to view themselves as ethnically Jewish and religiously atheist. Their hatred stems from a hatred of the wholesomeness they associate with a Christian lifestyle.
