Let's assume the EU spent 2% of its GDP on the military, that would be EUR 300 billion+ which is not a bad budget. With a sensible military equipment program and about 1.5 million soldiers, the EU could be a real military power which could kill ISIS on its own without the need for US involvement.
When was the last time anyway that EU states didn't act together in war? Iraq? And wouldn't it have been better to not invade Iraq?
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fuck off hans, my grandfather fought for you after the king switched side and look what happened.
>Whats wrong with 1984?
The problem of creating such army is what is going to happen when there is a war where you have to mobilize a huge chunk of your resources to one place.
Something tell me that ig the command of the troops is German, the soldiers that may get the worst missions ( cannon fodder) will not be german.
Same if the guy is polish, british or whateaver.
How can I convince an Italian to give his live to protect Norway because a Spanish general told me to do it?
"What's wrong with a united EU military again?"
This!
>fuck off hans, my grandfather fought for you
You betrayed us 2 times. In 1915 and 1943. At least Austrians were loyal in both wars. What's wrong with your people?
>Something tell me that ig the command of the troops is German, the soldiers that may get the worst missions ( cannon fodder) will not be german.
I guess all military units would be of mixed nationality. Several EU states already allow any EU national to serve in that particular state's military. Germany wants to open its military up for all EU nationals as well.
At some point, there will just be mixed EU national armies, why then not merge them?
>Several EU states already allow any EU national
>EU states
>states
Aren't we a bit a head of ourself here, Soros?
The fact that it won't be european and will be used against europeans.
EU army? I think you mean the french army. why the hell would they give control of it to merkel and Junker. If that cuck Hollande tried to push this through the french general staff would probably pull a coup
>What's wrong?
Well, literally every military in Europe apart from the French and British ones are dog shit.
wow rude
Well... Your country is full of shitskins, yeaaah take that bitch!
This.
It would have the same problems as the Warsaw Pact.
Complicated hierarchy that ultimately puts one nation on top of the others, order have to be created/ issued in multiple languages, you will have a massive disparity in quality between units of different nations.
Plus in the EU's case, many things are not standardized like firearms, armor, or aircraft so there's little interchangeability.
>Aren't we a bit a head of ourself here, Soros?
The official terminology is EU states.
>apart from the French and British ones are dog shit.
Is that why Germany had more soldiers deployed abroad than France in the last 15 years? Is that why Denmark is attacking ISIS in Syria? Is that why Italy is fighting the good fight against Islam? Is that why the Netherlands are training Kurds?
Brits aren't even in Europe, so I won't talk about them.
Sorry denbro, truth hurts.
And people from your country clean the toilets over here because they are so unskilled and desperate for money.
Bombing / training sand niggers doesn't make a military good. Even you should know that Hans.
What an ugly plane, happy we did not take part in this costful joke.
There already is a miltary wing to the EU, it's called NATO
Looks kind of like the same fucking plane, if you ask me, Chantalle.
EU would be fine if it didnt include Germany. Even Turkey or Russia would not ruin the EU as much as Germans did.
Wow yours looks completely different.
>Bombing / training sand niggers doesn't make a military good. Even you should know that Hans.
It's a start. And we are talking about Europe. Everyone does what he can. But united, we could do a lot more.
I hope the Brits leave the EU as soon as possible and Europe then starts to united in earnest. We need to fucking start to secure our EU borders - regardless of all the memes, even Merkel says so and said so in the past, we need to secure the EU borders and we need to bomb ISIS and train Kurds and give them more MILAN missiles and Dushka ammunition.
Look at the American civil war Hans. If an EU member country or countries decides that the Union is no longer in their best interest they will be put down with violent force from said united military.
/thread. Fuck Germany, I wish Americans dropped a nuke on Berlin instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Do you have any argument for it?
And no there will be no real military power under the ownership of rather different interests. Complete waste.
United States of Europe when ?
Why is Euronationalism dead ?
Europe is less white and less Christian.
Romans conquered much of Europe under a single identity.
Christian Europe would ally under the flag of the Vatican for defense against Islam in the Crusades.
Roman Catholicism supplied the common tongue, Latin. Vatican infrastructure acted as non-partisan entity.
For the blacks, Muslim Arabs... this history means shit to them. They aren't European ethnics or aboriginals.
Europe is gonna lose this "way" of doing things.
Europe is too liberal and will become too non-white to form a cohesive, united force.
If ISIS is to be destroyed you just need enough bombs.
Hello Ms. Boldrini
The countries involved don't speak the same language.
Fun fact: The First World War nearly broke out in 1912, but was delayed by two years when the British realized their expeditionary force couldn't read French maps. Instead of going to war everyone simply stewed for a couple of hours and then went home sad.
Did you just listen to the WSJ podcast too?
Right. And how would that be bad for the eu, or germany?
So, united military gets a "go" from us. :)
>With a sensible military equipment program and about 1.5 million soldiers, the EU could be a real military power which could kill ISIS on its own
you sound like you think this is even desirable to the power elite.
This. We should wipe Germany off the map once and for all.
Moron.
An "EU" army will be a punitive force used to crush indigenous European resistance to the Afro-Islamic replacement onslaught.
>Use Country A's military to subjugate Country B's civilians
yep, nothing wrong with that you EU shill.
Dont beg nato when russia rolls up
YOUR INTENTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE CLEAR. BAD GERMAN, NO FOURTH REICH FOR YOU.
>kill ISIS on it's own
Wait so you actually think a bunch of durka durkas driving old toyotas in middle of desert would realistically pose any threat to any modern army? ISIS is still around not because of lack of ability to deal with it but rather lack of will (or perhaps ulterior motive).
This britbong's sentiments aren't wrong. Why would France relinquish control (or part of it) over their own army to some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels? If you want stronk army to order around why don't you spend the money yourself Hans? Last time I checked you weren't anywhere near to spending 2% of your GDP on military and yet here you are preaching about how everyone needs to spend mo money on military and of course relinquish control of it to (let's be honest here) German controlled EU.
Ir doesn't matter how much money you out in. If you have shitty warriors with inferior genes, they are going to lose. Look at all of your battle histories, you faggots have all lost to master race america. Now, since vietnam, war has been bullshit. The politics tie the hands f the warriors with stupid rules. That's the only reason why we've lost every war since vietnam, politics.
Can't we just anschluss Europe like in the good ol times friedrich ?
I promise no switchy switchy this time
Im actually Finnish but Im here on vacation. So yeah you britcuck can enjoy Arab cock while I buy cheap beer here in Estonia. Haista vittu perkeleen Brittipaska.
Well to be fair, you cant defeat ISIS with military intervention since all the fanatic durkas will just flock to the next Group.
I could clear an isis held town with some bacon and one grenade
>The countries involved don't speak the same language.
Pretty much every soldier in Europe speaks English. Yes, the French military and some Eastern European soldiers speak a pretty broken English, but it is still enough... and it is getting better. Everyone below the age of 25 in Europe pretty much speaks a decent form of English.
>get EU army
>member states want to leave
>false flag nationalist attack
>deploy said EU army
yes hans what ever could go wrong..
Not Estonian Britcuck.
Get fucked, Hans
This. They are not a conventional fighting force, they are a terrorust organization not army. They are a collective body hiding in Islam and using civilians as their cover. They can be pretty much fuckin anyone. Even if hypothetically we did destroy a large sum of their leadership, any sleeper cells of ISIS embedded in the West could stand up and say "I captain now."
>Do you have any argument for it?
Efficiency and power projection. You don't need thousands of Generals and parallel military structures with little in terms of deployable forces. What you need is ONE structure and a shitton of deployable units.
Not to mention that if all EU nationals could serve in one EU military, people would end up more motivated, as the power level of the military increases and with it the chance to show their skills on a global stage. Nothing is worse for a military pilot or a special forces guy or a combat infantryman or an aritelleriy specialist etc. than serving in a small, incompetent military when people in the US army are allowed to actually fight bloody wars.
>which could kill ISIS on its own without the need for US involvement.
The west doesn't need to intervene for Isis to be removed.
We just need to stop supporting them and Assad will stomp them out with aide from Russia.
Why are there so many ignorant fucks on here that don't understand that these groups only rise to the level of prominence they do because they are proxy mercenary armies to wage war on states that foreign country ((((a)))) wants gone?
Italian acting like his lazy-ass country would even raise soldiers at all
Now you're running into massive language barriers within the same unit.
Think before you speak Fritz
Finland is a non-country.
>Now you're running into massive language barriers within the same unit.
If the US military works with half of the troops Hispanics, African ghetto people and imported gooks, then a European military speaking English also works.
>It's a start
To train these radical Islamist militants?
How'd that work for America in the 80s?
How's that bombing campaign in everywhere from Pakistan to Libya been going in reducing terrorist sympathy?
You fail to comprehend everything that the west claims to be doing to "fight" these groups is designed from the ground up to further increase their influence as to justify endless military spending to replace to Soviets Union justification
>or perhaps ulterior motive).
It's this one and the information undeniably proving it has been available for 2 years minimum
Is "decent" enough when operating machinery worth millions of Euros? Is "decent" enough for stressful combat situations requiring instantaneous precision in communication?
>If the US military works with half of the troops Hispanics, African ghetto people and imported gooks, then a European military speaking English also works.
All those people speak English as their native born language.
Also I as humoring your ignorance actually look up the demographics of the DoD forces which is 72% white
>Is "decent" enough when operating machinery worth millions of Euros?
Yes. And better to have machinery which costs just thousands of Euros and FUCKING DOES THE JOB.
Every sandperson can drive an armoured car and shoot dushka rounds and grenade launchers. This is what the European military needs. A shitton of troops who can kill the Islamists.
>All those people speak English as their native born language.
Lots of front line soldiers in the US military can't even fucking read or write. Stop this meme that all US soldiers are somehow educated or aren't all about ghetto-English or aren't all Hispanics.
>funding arabs
That's what fucked the world in the first place. Karma is a bitch.
>devil British
Kek. Nice empi... oh shit, my bad. The sooner Russian annex Finland, the better.
When will they ever learn Sup Forums?
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This is the biggest reason that often got pointed out in my IR classes. It would have made sense for NATO to disband and the EU pick up it's place, but now there's going to be unneeded redundancy.
>Not to mention that if all EU nationals could serve in one EU military, people would end up more motivated, as the power level of the military increases and with it the chance to show their skills on a global stage.
So what you're saying is that every soldier is some kind of psychopath that enlists only so he can kill people and the bigger the war the better? Also apparently people would be more willing to die for EU bureaucrats rather than their countries.
German confirmed 100%. Man, even if they didn't drop atom bombs on you they still fucked you up good. Americans don't fuck around. Scary shit.
EU army would only be used INSIDE Europe
Too many conflicting interests.
>So what you're saying is that every soldier is some kind of psychopath that enlists only so he can kill people and the bigger the war the better?
It is not a mental illness to like war if you are a soldier. It's your job, why the hell would you not want to hone your skills in the field? Not to mention that combat pay is decent and you can advance in the ranks if you are a good soldier and get medals for valor.
>Also apparently people would be more willing to die for EU bureaucrats rather than their countries.
They would be willing to die to defend a unified white Christian Europe, I have no doubt about it.
>German confirmed 100%.
I am not German, I just live here.
>What is wrong with giving up your local monopoly of violence to foreign nations and their leaders?
>Too many conflicting interests.
Name one conflicting interest when it comes to military involvement.
There are 20+ military engages of European countries abroad right now, all of them are coordinated between European countries and I haven't seen a single EU state oppose any of them.
Why do Luftwaffe Eurofighters not even have PIRATEs?
The main reason we got ISIS and migrants is because of the USA though.
It's not necessary. They are doing a great job of destroying Germany by themselves.
I don't want more German burocrats having control of my country.
Hoping we leave this sinking ship before Germany forces us to be more culturally enriched.
because i'll be damned if i'm going to let a german (or worse, a frenchman) tell me who to shoot at
>North/Eastern Europe has literally no reason to invade ME
>forced to do it by jewrope
Fuck off, globalist kike.
>Let's assume the EU spent 2% of its GDP on the military
But you don't. You can't even commit to treaties you are currently in now, what are you going to be like when you are a single army and France wants to bomb ISIS but you just want to bend over and open your asshole to "refugees"?
And what language are you going to speak> The military is only effective if it can act quickly, waiting for translations isn't acting quickly. English? Good luck getting the French to agree to that. Every country has it's own structure? Then what's the point of the EU army? It will just be another layer of bureaucracy and waste of taxpayer money. There are no benefits the EU military can bring that NATO and national militaries don't already have.
First example I can think of:
Your country is best buddies with the Turks, because of financial interests.
Meanwhile, we got territorial disputes with them and they're still occupying half of Cyprus.
I assume there are other territorial disputes or claims between EU countries or neighbors of EU countries that mantain good relations with other EU countries.
And don't even get me started on the logistical nightmare it would be.
>Lots of front line soldiers in the US military can't even fucking read or write.
Tell me how some cunt singing Adel is evidence of this
You cannot even join the armed forces without a highschool diploma user.
look at this beautiful plane frog
>English? Good luck getting the French to agree to that.
That is already agreed. In NATO missions and EU missions, the common language is English. This is universal in the EU.
>Unified white Christian Europe
That will probably never happen and also Juncker leaves door open for EU membership discussions with Turkey
>Your country is best buddies with the Turks, because of financial interests.
Says a Greek who has a deal with Turkey (and had one for 14 years) to deport illegal immigrants. Germany doesn't...
>Meanwhile, we got territorial disputes with them and they're still occupying half of Cyprus.
So? Are you suggesting there will be some military involvement of Greece in a Cyprus civil war... or that there could be a Cyprus civil war?
>I assume there are other territorial disputes or claims between EU countries or neighbors of EU countries that mantain good relations with other EU countries.
You assume wrong. There are no such conflicts. It is completely unrealistic that any EU states would military engage each other.
>And don't even get me started on the logistical nightmare it would be.
What logistical nightmare? We already have a logistical nightmare balancing 27 different militaries when engaging in foreign missions. If we had ONE structure, things would be a shitload better.
Only problem; It'd be great if the head of the EU weren't such dictatorial neo-feudalist globalists overpaid retards, that actually acted in the best interests of the people. If putin were to head the EU, or if people ACTUALLY had a vote on it, sure.
still wouldn't happen as some countries are neutral and wouldn't die for other countries.
Again, I can't find a Luftwaffe Eurofighter pic with PIRATE mounted. Do your Eurofighter not have IR sensors?
>united EU military
You can all build the beds for muslims who are coming to destroy your countries, that's pretty much all the Bundeswehr is doing right now.
Sounds like a great idea.
Come on, Spaniard, just watch Beachvolleyball. Spain vs. Argentina is on. Hot girls.
Who cares whether our Luftwaffe jets can sense anything?
If something happened between Greece and Turkey, whose side would NATO take?
It would be a similar dillema for an EU army if anything happened. It would be a conflict of interest for many of the participating countries.
The armed forces of a country exist to protect the sovereignety of the country, first and foremost. Token participation in NATO missions abroad are just extras.
A unified EU army would mean that all EU members have abolished their sovereignety in favor of a unified EU goverment, which won't happen, ever.
>EU military becomes the secon most powerful military in the world
>Germany is the leader of the EU
>20 years from now Germany is an Islamic Caliphate
>An Islamic Caliphate becomes the second most powerful military in the world
Nope, how about the US demilitarizes the EU before it's too late. The US along with Russia can protect the EU while it's still European.
How do you care, Britbong? Seriously? Just hand in that Article 50 notice and go fuck off. You aren't European and don't want anyhting to do with Europe.
Turkey is now a facist state, the way Erdogan took control is sikilar to how Hitler took control.
>If something happened between Greece and Turkey, whose side would NATO take?
>It would be a similar dillema for an EU army if anything happened.
Actually, it wouldn't. Greece would always come first in a conflict with a non-EU country. If there were an attack on Greece and there were an EU army, the EU army would retaliate, as its task would be to defend the EU at all costs... just like a Texan jet pilot defends Alaska or a Californian footsoldier defends New York.
Can people stop the Caliphate meme already? Germany isn't becoming a Caliphate, just as America isn't being an African shithole led by a negro president.
We have no problems with Europe except for the EU and the vast majority of the political leaders and media shills.
The native populace are okie dokie in my books.
No Ahmed
Feels good man.
You have spent more than 120 million euros per aircraft, and you don't even have integrated all the Air-to-Air systems?
Since ww2 you are neocolony. You are not allowed to have military without burgers.
And if you would be allowed - anglo will push you towards another war with Russia and tear you a 4th shithole.
idk man. PIRATE is a quick-change component, why using it when not needed?