Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Were the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified Sup Forums?

If not, does the United States owe Japan an apology and/or reparations?

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First one was justified, second was just waving your dick at the ruskies saying it wasn't a stroke of luck you can make as many as you want. But at the same time most german cities were reduced to rubble and nobody cared.

Wholly unjustified.

Japan doesnt need any reparations though. Burgerland just needs to fuck off with their bases.

Was that the time we dropped "Big Guy"?

they didn't exist.

Japanese cities were basically made of wood, it was a "simple" fire bombing raid.
Nuke's were just a load of "let's scare russia" tactics back then.

>Burgerland just needs to fuck off with their bases.
>USA just needs Japan to become a Chinese terititory.

It's war, everything is justified when it comes to war.

So they don't need to apologize for anything.

Maybe after Japan apologizes for the Rape of Nanking

>Were the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified Sup Forums?
yes

the Japs started the war with a sucker punch, they brought it on themselves when they decided to fuck with the most powerful country on Earth
besides, they commited horrible atrocities on both civilians and POWs throughout the war, so they deserved every single shit they got

>Were the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified Sup Forums?
Yep
>If not, does the United States owe Japan an apology and/or reparations?
Nope

A case of "careful what you ask for, you just might get it."
Same goes for the krauts.

My understanding is that the casualties would have been worse had the bombs not been dropped. Japs were vicious af.

It was wartime /thread

Yeah, it was for Japan

>apologize for winning a fight
No.

No.
It did not save any people that argument is a total fraud and a lie.

But all that aside. Allied forces insisted on an `unconditional surrender`.

To make this very clear. An unconditional surrender would mean the allied forces could in theory pillage the country rape their children and shoot their children after surrender. It was an unconditional surrender after all.

The Vatican totally condemned what had happened and totally condemned the use of nuclear weapons in this case for this very reason. The main evil perpetrated -accodring to the Vatican- was to insist on unconditional surrender by the allied forces.

Before nukes where used, Japanese where willing to surrender the country on only ONE condition, that the Japanese emperor and his family would be left alone and not persecuted after surrender.

And guess what? The Japanese dynasty was not persecuted for their heinous crimes and where left alone after the war.

Anyone who believes the use of these nuclear weapons in particular because it save lives and says there would have been more deads had the bomds not been used because there would be a terrible escalation of the war.
Should be locked up for spreading war propaganda and hate propaganda, untill they change opinion.

Its a lie. And yes, i am against free speech.

Yes , totally justified. Japan carried out a brtal and savage war. Their armed forces slaughtered millions of civilians in cruel and barbaric ways. The Japanese at home enjoyed the benefits of the brutal occupation in Asia. They also were collectively insane in their belief that their emperor was a god and that dying for him was the highest achievement It was justice and shock therapy.

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probably not necessary.

tojo was planning on entrenching his boys everywhere and the war would have lasted for years more. they didnt even fold immediately when a city was wiped out and needed another demonstration.

And the Bataan Death March.

nukes are a fairytale. just like the moon landings.

>Evidence Turkish admixture has lowered German IQ

GG Germanfags

Yes, they were necessary.
It saved us from a Soviet invasion, and more people would have died that way.
And dear European friends, stop victimizing us.
We're not your average people of colour who can't stand losing a war.

100% justified. Read Paul Fussell's Thank God for the Atom Bomb.

We were looking at 500,000 dead American GIs and millions of dead Japanese civilians if we had to invade the home islands. On top of that we'd have ended up with a north/south split of Japan as the Soviets rolled in from Vladivostock.

t. expat

>implying you would have anime

good point, tbqh.

Justified? No. Nuclear energy and nuclear missiles/bombs should be destroyed, because they are too powerful for us humans to do battle with.
Should they apologize? No, it was war.

Completely justified. Because of their honorabru culture, people volunteered by the thousands to be kamikaze soldiers. If the U.S. Were to invade, the japanese would've fought to the death of every last man, woman, and child without considering surrender. They didn't even surrender after the first bomb was dropped. Tojo's generals were trying to cut off communications during his declaration of surrender after the second bomb was dropped!

We already gave them reparations, by pouring a gorilion dollars into their economy postwar, so we could have a base for korea. Toyota was a dying truck company before the US Army bought over 5000 trucks from them.

> "The cold war is over, Japan won." - Senator Paul Tsongas

Fuck off, toothpaste.

Nothing in war is justified because it is part of war which is inherently unjustifiable.

Just because it is necessary and you do it doesn't mean it has to be justified or you should apologize for it later. Just accept that War is War and try to avoid it in the future at all costs unless it must be done.

They asked for it. Fuck the WW2 Japanese.

The nukes and occupation turned Japan into an economic powerhouse

100% justified.
>literally throwing planes at your enemy
>it's somehow immoral when they throw bombs back because they're sick of planes
Of course, it was the jews that made the US cut the oil down to japan that made them want to start the war, but the nukes were still justified.

The Imperial Army was not going to surrender, ever.
A conventional land invasion would have meant the death of millions on both sides, because the Japanese would have fought tooth and nail and resisted everything.
The Soviets would have want a part of the pie, too, because they had their own quarrels with Japan, and you know the reds wouldn't have spared anyone, women and children included.
The application of overwhelming force ended resistance, and the Japanese accepted it, stoically. Then they rebuilt, because they were and are able of understanding the realities of war, and capable enough to modernize their country and economy in a hurry.
So, in hindsight, a better solution than many others.

These are bait threads to try and make Americans hate Japan.

Divide and conquer.

The war was not justified and the nukes were not justified because they were part of an unjustified war.

Both sides, once engaged in war, were just committing one unjustified act after another.

Stop being niggers and acting like stuff is justified just because it makes your hollywood war movie boner rise.

War is hell but sometimes one goes to hell and must fight their way out.

The emperor and the people that followed him were in conflict with the Imperial army.

Before anything soviet or whatever would have happened, Japan would have surrendered anyway, they just had to solve their internal civil war first.

Yes the Imperial army wanted to fight to extinction. No they were not going to win the debate without nukes because the Emperor (despite his extreme unpopularity among the military) still had God status and could not be touched.

It was a very controversial decision he made to be defeated, but it was only a matter of time before he decided to preserve his people rather than watch them go extinct, as honorable as it may have been.

If we didn't bomb them twice, it would've cost more lives on both sides than the death toll of Nagasaki and Hiroshima because, of their fucked up "kill yourself for the Emperu!" culture. Stop being a faggot.

This argument can be repeated as many times as you want by as many academics as you want.

It is not true. Factually incorrect.

>It is not true. Factually incorrect.
[Citation Needed]

>the nukes were necessary because we had to do a land invasion (((meme)))
Ok useful idiot

You forget the Japanese are people too.

Why are the only 2 options nuke or ground invasion?

Have you ever analyzed war without the jewish propaganda?

Do you know what the japanese knew about communist Russia?

Do you know about the conflict between the Imperial army and the emperor over the end of the war and who was inevitably going to win that debate?

Do you know that Japan is an Island nation that had no offensive navy, airforce or resources left by the end of the war?

Do you realize they were human beings with values that will adapt to facing certain death even without nukes?

Are you out of highschool yet?

What's the other option? Blockade them and starve them into surrendering? I'm sure more Japs would have died under this circumstance than the 2 nukes. The Empire wouldn't care if 10 million peasants starved to death, they'd welcome it.

They attacked us. So we just said, "fuck 'em" and bombed the shit out of them. They didn't listen after the first time so we did it again. They asked for it.

You have fallen for Jewish Propaganda and dehumanized the enemy.

This is why you try to "justify" wars.

The Japanese and their emperor just had a different culture than yours.

There was an internal conflict between the Imperial army that was devoted to fighting to the death and the God Emperor they had pledged their loyalty to.

The only outcome of that conflict was the eventual capitulation of the Imperial Army once the emperor decided his people should surrender and gamble the future than go extinct right now over honor.

It was a much more difficult decision for an honorable society like Imperial Japan than for a Cucknadian such as yourself, but it was still a decision.

The nukes/invasion were not the deciding factor. The emperor deciding the future of his people was the deciding factor.

If you look at modern Germanistan and what Hitler said at the end before he killed himself, you can see what he meant by "Germany is dead if we fail this war. We will succeed, or we, The German People will no longer exist. This is our final fight."

Japan was faced with the same decision and barely preservef the Japanese people/way of life.

If one Japanese teenage nationalist had failed after WW2, Japan likely would not exist as it does today.

>being this brainwashed
>having the IQ/gullibility of a nigger