What the fuck were they thinking killing him like that...

What the fuck were they thinking killing him like that. I like post crisis Superman as much as the next guy and wanted him back, but not like this. I felt that nu52 Supes still had a lot to offer and I believe that he really began to grow with into the character we knew and love. It's sad to see him go before his time. I don't even want to see him return because it would cheapen his sacrifice.

people wrote him off as edgy for no reason so they didn't buy the comics

He'll be back.

will he be superman again or take a new mantle?

he was little edgy.

or at least he looked edgy.

If he's not going to have the Superman name you might as well keep him dead.

>for no reason
Comics are a visual medium, and any good artist should know you don't draw a boyscout like a douchebag unless you're trying to make some kind of point.

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>edgy

RAGS YOU ASSHOLE YOU RUINED A GREAT RUN REEEE

This whenever someone calls Superbro a douche I show them this, I mean he was written to be a bit brash kind of like Golden age Supes but he was still a good guy.

I don't believe that edgy. Got any more for people uneducated to this Superman?

I don't care about characterization or plot, I won't touch a Superman comic if he doesn't have red trunks, he had to fucking die.

Soom the new Supes will have the trunks that he deserve and that the real fans love.

But rebirth supes doesn't have the red trunks either.

>a douchebag
But he doesn't look like a douchebag, he looks like a normal, modern guy. If Supes looked liked this I'd get your point but he doesn't. If he looked like he was from the 30s you'd call him a hipster. Shit he didn't even have short back and sides like most guys do these days

Sure thing user, while we're at it tell me when Spidey gets his web wings back for more than a Slott arc

He will soom get them back, he is the real Supes now, and I will be able to buy their comics.

Then they shouldn't have given him a popped collar and always make him pose like he's about to kick your ass and steal your girl.
I mean look at this Assuming you didn't know anything about the character, what would your first assumption be? Cause he sure as hell doesn't look like some uber empathetic do-gooder to me.
It's like that one Green Lantern who they always draw super angry and pointing a gun at the viewer. What the hell else am I supposed to think of him but some kind of edgy gang banger space cop. He could be Mother Teresa for all I know, but they sure as hell don't market him that way.

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Nobody fucking likes the red trunks. They look fucking stupid and was always the worst part of his costume. I would rather Superman go back to wearing dad jeans than for him to return to super underwear on the outside.

>always make him pose like he's about to kick your ass and steal your girl.
that's your insecurities showing though and then you write him off without even reading on of his stories. Too me if i didn't know him he looks like superhero in armor

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krypto gets reunited with his master, and it ends up nicely. Feels pretty good man, fucking real good.

> not knowing about his power to move his eyes independently

>krypto then proceeds to disappear for most of doom and all of the truth arc and then randomly appears then disappears again when superbro died

All of this is from the Morrison run, isn't it. I don't want to bother looking up the first one, but I'm presuming it's from the issue or two where "Clark" was killed, until Mrs. Mxy used her second to last wish to bring him back and make everyone forget the death.

I fully enjoyed that run and that's definitely the aspect of Superman from the past five years that I would definitely miss, but no one really did much, if anything, with these characterizations of Clark, except for Pak a little bit, and to admit it in fairness to an writer who was crap the rest of the time (some 96%+), Lobdell got a few panels (especially with Lana, and with Diana and Lois) that got a bit of this Clark in his characterizations.

I mainly picked this issues because this is where people generslly called superbro edgy and a douche

Well fuck you Batman.

Douche riiight

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He was so edgy

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Quit posting on the Internet and go back to bed granpa.

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You can find stuff like that from all 18 of the issues Clark is in (well he's in the 19th issue until he dies, but that one is really all about President Superman and SuperDoom).

I'm just saying that even Perez didn't really seem to know how to write him well - how much of that was dealing with editorial mandates, how much of that was poor artist combinations with the writers, etc., I don't know but I can definitely see that he was failed more by the New 52 environment (and definitely including Editorial here) and the writers who were picked for the main Superbooks than he, himself, was a failure.

I wish DC would have given Pak total control of Superman.

We don't deserve him. Edgy faggots and contrarians do not derserve Superman (Kal-El). He was a pure heart and a great man who was mocked and rediculed because his costume was "not muh trunks". Honestly fans today don't know what the fuck they want. Yet DC had to pander to the mindless masses. It is not fair and it is not right.

all that and the new superman doesn't even have the trunks.

You guys can post as many cute or heart-warming images of Nu52 Superman you guys want, it doesn't change the fact that marketing portrayed the Nu52 Superman as a more young and edgy Superman.

Grant Morrison promised a Bruce Springteen Superman, with the first issue of Action Comics showing a cocky and angry Supes threatening an old man with death and goading police officers to shoot him. Geoff Johns first issues of Justice League, which detailed the origin of Justice League, showed Superman violently punching Batman and Green Lantern, killing tons of Parademons with glee and hitting on Wonder Woman.

Then there's the fact that he didn't had his red trunks, had a weird militaristic suit, was always drawn with a angry or smug expression, the Kents were dead and he was dating Wonder Woman.

So for people that weren't following his comics month in and month out and only knew about him from superficial readings he was pretty much NOT MUH SUPERMAN.

Well, I wasn't that fond of Pak in the Truth arc - I don't think there's anything that anyone is really going to remember memorably form there, except for the tacos -- and honestly, that's more a function of modern celebrity/tumblr than it is a specific characterization of Clark and Superman; you could have written those beats for Tony Stark or for Peter Parker and they would have resonated comparably, there's nothing distinctly Clark Kent or distinctly Superman in them, is what I mean -- not, as compared to say these But yeah, I would have liked to see him do more with the character where it wasn't a cross-over. Cross Worlds (the first arc from B/S) is one of my top five non-Morrison Superman books from the New 52.

I think the thing that fucked him over the most was that he was in cross-over hell most of the time

No, Sup Forums just doesn't read comic books ever and likes to get on a fucking high horse about what comics should be.

"TOO MUCH EDGE" faggots would be appalled at some of the stuff in classic Spider-Man stories.

Pak did write a pretty awesome Clark. He was the first writer since Morrison that captured his voiced. Shame the shitty crossovers ruined what could have been a great run.

Im not talking about Sup Forums, though. This entire board could have bought the entire issues of Nu52 Superman comics and it wouldn't have changed things one bit.

I'm talking about comics readers in general. They fucked themselves over with the marketing of Nu52 Superman. Despite Nu52 Superman being a swell guy the marketing focused too much on the "young and edgy Superman who's different" angle and Superman fans are really weird with the whole NOT MUH thing.

you mean the same issue where he saves squatters from being buried alive?as seen here
or are you also not taking in the fact he was closer to golden age suoes you casual
and not having faith in Grant Morrison? shame on you.

This and Berganza's affection for stupidly named and drawn villains (H'El, Helspont) or for '90s rethread villains that were poorly drawn then as they are now (Doomsday). I mean, they wasted a good 9 months on this crap, when you include the pre and post crap.

>Bruce Springteen
I don't remember that quote, I remember that he indicated a return to the GA roots, which he did, you can take it as goading, and threatening with death (which is very true to the first few issues of GA Superman); I think the failure was with Johns and JL, since that's the book that regular readers who weren't picking up any of the Super books, were introduced to New 52 Clark/Superman and yes, he was a jerk - that they used that for the animated universe was even more of a mistake and they carried those characterizations on there to the two other POS arcs of Johns they have adapted.

So you are saying the marketing fucked Superbro over?

That was sarcasm...

>you mean the same issue where he saves squatters from being buried alive?as seen here

It doesn't matter. He was too cocky and angry in a few pages and that's all it takes.

Look at people's reaction to DCEU Superman. People can point out that he was showing rescue people in the movies and you'd still see others complaining about not being enough or how he didn't smiled too often while doing it.

People don't like different takes when it comes to Superman.

Also people been saying for years how supers was too good and not having a lot issues to deal with it and when they got it they wrote it off anyway? they weren't gonna buy the books regardless

Yes, that and the key differences that bothered people like the Kents being dead, Superman not being married to Lois and things like that,

Lol you wasn't paying attention. You don't think post Crisi Superman ever got angry? He imaged himself beating Brainiac to death once

Nostalgia faggotry is all it is. DCAU Superman is mopier and more of a dick than DCEU Superman and they condemn CavillSupes for the same reasons they praise DCAU Supes.

I'm ok with Superman not being married and the Kents being dead. Yeah, he was cocky and sometimes angry but other than that he was a really good guy.

people lived DCAU Superman though and he straight up tried to kill Darkseid more than once and never started dating Lois in any of the series

It doesn't matter. Can't you see that perception is everything?

People don't remember that. People don't remember that Post-Crisis Superman could be prone to anger, be extremely short-sighted and constantly fuck things up. People don't remember that Post-Crisis Superman killed and thought about killing his enemies.

Those things don't register into peoples head-canons, but weird enough they count when people are trying to think of reasons to hate a new take on a beloved character. Any deviation is blown out of proportion.

people hating on new takes weren't gonna buy Superman anyway no one bought before new 52 and no one bought him after. They just want excuses to hate him and circlejerk about it

You really didn't read any of New 52 Superman's comics did you? Yes he got beat up, but he barely fucks thinks up. Lois did that for him in truth.

Read what i wrote again. I was talking about Post-Crisis Superman, as the one from 1986 to 2011, who wen't through several different origins. Not Nu52 Superman.

why are you ignoring
DCAU was more prone to anger even going as far as turning into a dictator if he wan't stopped but people to laud him

I'm not ignoring. I'm just pointing out that people don't remember the bad or conflicting parts of certain interpretations when saving shit to memory.

They don't remember DCAU Supes being an angry and paranoid shit, but they remember DCAU Supes expending Christmas with his parents and Martian Manhunter. That's the part they save in the head-canon.

So when they see a new take when Supes is being an angry and paranoid shit, they'll say that this new take is nothing like the beloved DCAU one.

Understood?

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so what your saying if they read the whole issue 1 they would have remembered Superman saving the squatters or the train full of people?

Pre New 52 Superman attacked Lex Luthor for no reason at all and he had to be talked into by Lois to help the Justice League when people were in danger Superman alright.

If they're open to the new take? Yes. If not? They will only remember the bad parts and use that as justification for hating the new take.

Yeah, but he's married to Lois, have a son and they have tons of cute moments in SUPERMAN, and that all it matters for the older fans.

Well to be fair the adverts for Truth had him scowling in a jeans and t-shirt costume with what appeared to be blood on his fists, despite in the actual comic being even nicer than he'd ever been in the New 52.

The marketing for NU52 SUPERMAN always showed him as an young and edgy Superman.

Take the recent animated movies adapting the Nu52 stories. They show him as an angry and cocky shithead. That's how the marketing always portrayed him as for new readers.

So instead of a picture of Superbro hugging kids for DCYOU, you had Superman being angry and blood running down his knuckles.

that's how marketing ALWAYS portrayed him

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>The marketing for NU52 SUPERMAN always showed him as an young and edgy Superman.
Cannibal fucking Holocaust is edgy.
Superman not being a childish campy idiot isn't edgy.

Hahaha Silver Age Superman was really a big ass douchebag troll

not really the covers then is what we equate to now as clickbait

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Wow. This makes Lois look like a terrible person, which she is nowadays. At least she did end up helping people.

For supes, he was definitely edgy

Being edgy for one character does not have to be super edgy

context mofo, what is it

Agreed. They can't come back soon enough

Wonder Woman didn't put out that week, so Superman took it out on her younger sister.

I can't tell if this is bait or if you're an idiot. The trunks were iconic and broke up the blue so it didn't look like a jumpsuit.

holy fuck it sounds like he's channeling Elliot Rodger at the end there

Except that's not him being intimidating, or even edgy, that's Superman being a comical douche in order to make the reader curious as to what's going on. Nu52's marketing is the opposite of that.

You do not speak for the majority of comic readers user, so shut up.

You are aware that those complaints do not apply to everyone, especially not comic readers, right? Christ, you're a moron.

you diana x clarks are cancer .

>not reading the thread before spouting stupid shit

Truth was great until the wrath reveal. Media outlets even reported on Superman joining protesters against the police.

Because post crisis fags are ones who keep posting on Byrne's forums and are just as autistic as Byrne, who think post crisis superman is the only true superman. They do not remember Superman executing his fellow kryptonians during post crisis continuity. Post crisis was just as mired with constant crossovers as new 52 was.

Outside underwear looks like shit Mr. Autist. What looked good in 30s doesn't look good today. If you wanted to break the costume up than give him a bigger, redder belt. Nobody and I mean nobody liked the "trunks" outside diehard purist and turbo autist.

John Byrne.

I don't give a shit what Johns writes or says, he's the superman I grew up reading so as far as I'm concerned he IS Superman and Johns wont be able to ever change that

I'd rather a belt that includes some yellow in there as well as red, myself. It'd work a lot better.

Trunks were because it looked cool like wrestlers, nowadays armor is cool

Why can't we combine these cool

Why can't movie Superman be like this?

Because you are an idiot who isn't intelligent enough to understand snyders conflicted Superman. In the real world people aren't as chipper as in comics and the pressures of life will weigh down on you.