>Though rather I prefer 2 in the heart and one in the mind
based
Sebastian Martinez
join the army and find out for yourself you god damn pussy.
19D reporting. 6 years. 2 tours of duty.
Joseph Edwards
The world would be a better place if Internet didn't exist
Camden Clark
fag
Michael Walker
Honestly, it's just social networking.
The world was fine before that shit came around, giving people overly inflated opinions of themselves.
Adrian Cook
fag
Wyatt Gray
>suicide bomber runs towards the soldiers >gee guys, he is not shooting us so we cannot kill him, I guess well see each other in heaven tee hee
Connor Martinez
> See ragheads in the window with AKs and RPGs
> Don't fire until they shoot that RPG at us private!
Lol?
Jose Miller
Why would I want to join a military that is actively being destroyed by our government and putting the lives of shitskin subhumans before the men serving under the flag?
Yeah, no thanks.
> Inb4 you fight for muh freedoms
That's the biggest load of bullshit and hasn't been true since WW2.
The US government cares more about a child sand nigger than they do a US soldier. That's the truth.
Aaron Rivera
just shoot the fucking reporters
Lincoln Bennett
If they see people with AKs and RPGs they are allowed to engage. This is how they get blown up from the skies all the time.
Ayden Ramirez
make american cops and soliders trade places.
look. the armies KDR just got a whole lot better.
Mason Cox
spurs wearing faggot
Josiah Kelly
scouts out
Leo Turner
>make american cops and soliders trade places.
This, our cops are good as hell at killing savages.
Cameron Kelly
stetson too
Angel Phillips
Drone operators have little to no ROE. Soldiers on the ground are the ones that get fucked over.
Xavier James
i also wear a combat action badge and an arcom with a v device too.
sound jelly you have no combat spurs either...
Christopher Martinez
Its more like a guideline....
Nicholas Foster
>failure to stop
Only way to stop these savages, the ROEs are literally there to stop us from ending the war so that the kike elites can line their pockets.
I want payback for all the Americans that suffered because of these bullshit wars, we all should want payback
Isaac Lee
Every 11B thinks you guys are queers
Aaron Murphy
>cant shoot people till they actively attack you This isn't true
You prove that cav scouts are serious faggots. God damn why are you guys so annoying.
t. 11B20
Jason Cox
Two tours in Iraq. We regularly ignored the ROE, specifically because we didn't want to die for dumbass bureaucrat made rules.
Who was gonna tattle on us? Some hajis with AKs and RPGs? Civs terrified of us? Nope. For every instance of ROE being broken that was brought to the attention of the press there were 1000 that nobody ever heard about. War is hell. If people can't handle that then they shouldn't start them or support them.
Nicholas Lopez
can confirm
Landon Moore
It's so that people don't accidently shoot friendly forces or civilians, it just breaks down when shit like USS Cole incident happens.
The boat technically didn't fire at them, so they let it blow a hole in the ship. ROE was changed, but now you have incidents where stupid fisherman get pasted by navy ships.
Justin Martin
98G P
We didn't even wear a uniform....
Didn't get any medals either...
Carter Wood
Failure to stop usually only applies to VCPs not patrols, at least it did with my unit
Chase Harris
It's not a real war, they are acting like cops and armed security guards. They must display hostile intent.
It's a 3rd world violent shithole, you cannot smoke every durka holding a rifle, everyone is armed for a reason there. Same reason cops don't shoot open carry fags on sight in the US.
If you see them holding an RPG or hanging around a mortar tube you can shoot to kill as soon as you spot them.
It's not that bad. The war is pointless but the ROE makes sense for what they arr trying to do there.
Samuel Walker
So, the DOD structures rules of engagement around what is the most obviously. The laws of land warfare aka International Humanitarian Law.
Units or organizations can impose further restriction if they do so choose.
I was auditing a top secret security contract and the guards per the contract were ordered not to physically engage a active threat that was breaching the compound despite being armed with Glock 17s and M4s.
It's all really circumstantial and depends on who you are working with. A lot of my time in the DOD was spent on JTFs so we had a wide birth when it came to engaging the enemy,
Adrian Bennett
you 11B plebs are the reason for the saying - if you aint cav...
but i will still lead the charge for you. np bro.
Xavier Harris
Check em.
We would shoot people who were suspiciously holding radios.
To explain why this is legal you need to understand the difference between a CT/police operation and actual land warfare between two lawful belligerent parties.
Joseph Green
Yea we were allowed to shoot unarmed mortar spotters as well, this is pretty standard I think
Jackson King
As a former cav scout... +1
Henry Edwards
We shouldnt even be in 3rd world shitholes in the first place, the military will always be there and people will always enlist to avoid national service whether its out of misguided patriotism or for more selfish reasons so they get used and abused because the elites know there will always be more where that came from.
I just want to see our military used to actually defend the nation and its people instead of being whored out.
Gabriel Martin
I just hate when people spew disinfo WRT "ROE" or our tactical SOPs. Equally frustrating when people take the EOF continuum as gospel and don't realize there's a variety of case law that supports skipping steps 1 through 9 and going straight to lethal force.
Engaging people who are passive/active support for enemy combatants is completely legal under IHL. If you so much as bring water or talk to an insurgent our unit would shoot you dead. Regardless of age, sex or whether you had a weapon.
Matthew Myers
>Why in God's name are American Rules of Engagement completely retarded? It's almost like we are trying to get our soldiers killed.
Isn't it obvious? Strict ROE minimizes the risk of a PR disaster. The media is always looking for an excuse to make soldiers look like they're committing atrocities, and most liberals already believe they're baby killing psychos anyway. This is what you call a "cover your ass" tactic.
Eli Harris
this is what happens when you let civilians control the military.
these assholes told us we couldnt use a .50 cal unless we were met with the same type of fire power or completely ran out of our main ammo caliber.
> Hey goyim. Don't use the big guns unless you are completely out of small arms ammunition. You don't want the media calling you baby killers, do ya goyim ?
Juan Murphy
I was never told that. We engaged people with 50 all the time.
Asher Hughes
Our roe is fine, we Still killed a lot of people. Except we didn't level any villages or kill any women or children this time. I hope this clarifies things.
I see rag head standing on a roof with RPG, I wave to him and he waves back.
Good thing I didn't murder the plain clothed ana soldier.
Dominic Moore
i think i know you- and i definitely slept with your girl.
but i always leave a coin bro. always.
Ryan Foster
This.
If you ask a civilian who is knowledgeable of military policy, they will probably say it goes back to the rule of law and protection of innocence.
Even though we are trained soldiers with a mission to neutralize threats, we are at all times separted from the animals we are sent to incapacitate.
Camden Parker
Don't you find it kind of bizare that the media of your own country is so ready to criticize you for any slight 'mistake'?
Brayden Thompson
The age of information has made modern warfare seem impossible.
Ayden Green
(*to be held separate)
Sorry.
Easton Scott
fags
Levi White
> Good thing I didn't murder an ANA soldier
Until you turn your back to them and they shoot you like they typically do.
If not impossible, much more difficult at least..Imagine an unpopular war like Vietnam in the internet age.
Grayson Nelson
I heard the opposite, they said that the .50 was for enemy equipment only like tanks, trucks, other MGs, rifles, helmets, belts etc
Jackson Foster
Of course you did. Because we all know that the Taliban drive tanks...
Samuel Lee
Sounds like shit I heard at OSUT.
According to IHL if the enemy has a reduced capacity to deploy discriminate weaponry they are practically abdicated of the responsibility when it comes to using weaponry that could be considered overwhelming use of force or inappropriate kinetic engagements.
Camden Brooks
I never trusted those gay fuckers...they would show up to formations high as balls on opium and reefer
Ian Hill
thats what we were told in 2007-8. i remember because we were dumbfounded and asked about vehicle scenarios, which were given the green light.
in 2005-6 it was "do what you want, just dont go retarded"
iraq, both.
Jayden Martin
Was the person who made those rules Jewish?
Hunter Young
Must've been the case when they were fighting the republican guard, I heard it from a salt dog when we were doing gunnery for the .50 Cal.
I had a feeling they'd find a way to bend the ROEs to their advantage
Adam Perry
This thread needs more 19K's
>You cannot fire until you are being fired at. You CAN fire if you are being fired at, but that's not the only criteria.
You can not use a .50 cal machine gun to fire directly on troops, you are allowed to use it on enemy vehicles from trucks to personnel carriers. The M240 covers troops well enough, don't need the BMG for that.
Josiah Flores
Roger. Continually surprised at what is exercised under commander's discretion.
It's a wrongful interpretation of the terms of proportionate use of force in my opinion.
Chase Reyes
Oh whatever, and we had GI go mad leave base and murder people too. Bottom line most Afghans I met were okay, they would have been a lot cooler if they tried to keep their God shit to themselves but alas, Islam is a cancer. at least they're kind enough to share, enjoy Gay jokes, and enjoy philosophical conversations. They're by no means my favorite people, but they're far from the bottom.
Wyatt Fisher
Afghanistan males are typically all pedophiles and drug addicts. But give them a gun and put a US soldier in front of them and they will most likely shoot the US soldier.
Yay bureaucracy!
Cameron Martinez
International Humanitarian Law covers multiple international conventions and treaties. Made by a lot of people. The OG founder/father of IHL or laws of land warfare was Swiss IIRC
Jeremiah Miller
Worthless mongoloid sodomite bastards...they put first strike stickers on their weapons like heathens
Daniel Campbell
I know but you know we don't follow that rule
The 240 is a sexy beast though
Joseph Hall
Neocon Jews under bush changed the rules of engagement to make sure we get stuck in the Middle East for 100 years.
Either we kill them all or pull the fuck out. We are literally just creating more enemies
Xavier Thomas
It's about obeying international and customary international law you fucking retard.
Henry Hernandez
> Most Afghans I met were okay
Why is it that every soldier I speak with in real life says the complete opposite?
How dare that evil US soldier stop that pedophile from raping someone! Fucking goyim!
Jose Lopez
The ROE was fine before Obama. There was none of this "don't shoot until shot at" bullshit in Fallujah or Ramadi. It was only in 2009-10 that the bullshit ROEs came into play.
Ian Nguyen
> You cannot fire until you are being fired at You can be ordered to fire on people just fine. At least in Canada, you can engage people before you are actually fired on if you feel they threaten your life anyway.
t. someone who has actually read an ROE card ever in his life.
Matthew Rivera
> International
And alas, there is the problem...
3rd world countries making up the rules for how the United States should fight wars.
Top fucking kek...
Nathaniel Hughes
International law is not binding
Going to war is not a fucking game. You don't hamstring your own military and expect to win
Jaxson Flores
Two very true statements, user. Gotta love it
Dylan Reyes
>"don't shoot until shot at" bullshit in Fallujah or Ramadi. There's none of it now. Even just doing security on a base, you have the right to act in self-defense or in protection of important DND property.
Isaac Rodriguez
Islamic Jihadists don't give a shit about international laws. That's why they are winning this war and that's why they will most likely win the war.
We are too caught up in rules and regulations that we become fish in a barrel ready for slaughter.
Camden Perry
The question isn't if soldiers are baby killing psychos, the question is if killing sandnigger babies is bad.
And the answer is no.
Dylan Russell
Sounds more like they just don't want you using the ammo for it all up. Shit's expensive, man.
>they're "winning" what objectives have they actually accomplished
Hunter Kelly
> What objectives have they accomplished
Their Ideology has spread all over the world. They are able to use the internet against us and recruit and spread propaganda. They have imbedded cells inside every major western nation ready to launch attacks and recruit new soldiers and since they use a religion as their backbone, there is nothing we can do to stop it without being called a "bigot" by our own countrymen.
Face it. They are winning... Just wait till they get a nuclear device.
Charles Ramirez
Right. If you create ROEs that nobody can actually obey, then any soldier who does anything embarrassing can be dismissed as a bad apple, a rogue, a guy who wouldn't follow orders, etc., and thereby protect higher ups from blame.
It's a common technique. Many product warranties will include conditions that are difficult or impractical to meet. Most safety regulations are impossible to meet too. If you've ever had to sit through those dopey workplace trainings on sexual harassment or whatever, it's the same idea. They don't much care whether it actually reduces sexual harassment; it just provides them with a defense if they're sued, because, hey, they told the employee not to do that.
Overall the goal is to shit on the little guy.
Gavin Moore
It is binding if the host country signs and ratifies it.
The hamstringing comes from our rotten officer corp.
>Don't fire unless fired upon. >don't use heavy weapons on arabs this is all from retarded US kike officers. This has nothing to do with the international laws of land warfare. >no airstrikes near civilian buildings >don't wear sunglasses because it scares the locals Blame your officer corp.
Reciprocity doesn't allow you to commit atrocities in turn. Losing your protective status as a combatant also doesn't afford mass atrocities either.
Nathan Ramirez
I'm not sure. It's possible it varies by area, or maybe they didn't interact with any? Everytime we went into a city I had a good time. Drink some tea, buy some bread, maybe sugar cane, or even the local dip. Still not sure what's in it, but it was pretty good. If i was conversating with a group of them I'd jokingly call one "cheska" and act like I was going to rape him. The rest of them always loved it, and sometimes the one you're jokingly trying to rape too. But normally the one you're trying to rape gets really mad and threaten jihad you while the rest laugh. you could give little kids money to go get stuff for your and they would. I also got a sweet pair of Osama glasses from a store for free just because we had a conversation.
Connor Martin
>corp why are all americans illiterate
Henry Hall
Ever single IHL ruling has an instance or circumstance where it can be circumnavigated to include destroying protected buildings, shooting unarmed persons. etc.
ICRC actually offers free training to military units but is often not utilized. It's unfortunate because a stronger understanding of IHL might actually make these retards not so cautious when engaging the enemy.
Leo Jackson
>roe
kek lmao Thing with America is, it does not fight its wars with its military, because frankly outside of hollywood, American military is shit. Its a welfare queens who never saw any combat. Its a scheme to inflate the military spending to appear more scary on the paper. Americans fight all their wars with mercenaries.
Being in the military is retarded because pay is shit, and you are forced to do defensive jobs where you wait to get shot at, or patrol a minefield........ No. Wars are done with mercenaries. Higher pay, and you get to do all the attacking. And it's perfectly legal, you just have to tell the enemy they are fighting on your side. And mercenaries have their own rules, and are usually all from the military, all have real experience and are able to get the job done much better.
So a government's military is kinda useless thanks to the legal loophole. It's just a technical support, nothing else. In small wars mercenaries do everything. Rules of engagement change when the war gets bigger.
Jason Green
> You cannot commit atrocities just because someone else does
With that ideology we would have never dropped the atomic bomb.
Wyatt Clark
We are in the UN which is retarded.
We allow people who dont serve in the military to vote on military issues. Which is retarded
Military cannot speak out against chain of command or policies. WHich is retarded
It goes on an on an on
Gabriel Gonzalez
sorry, corps >a >fucking >leaf I've been drinking tbqh, leaf.
Benjamin Ramirez
a meme war it is
Eli Powell
>Pay is shit
Uhh officers and CWOs make bank Base pay and BAH and Dem bennies
And mercs...Yeah confirmed for knowing nothing about nothing no wonder bosnian muslims kicked your asses.
Jaxon Myers
>be serb >get bombed by NATO
Benjamin Price
There is a lot the ICRC considers war crimes the US has committed.
I've spent quite a bit of time with representatives of the Intl criminal court, war crimes specialist and at the headquarters of the ICRC.
They largely consider the atomic bomb attacks to be a war crimes but bringing US persons or interests to prosecution would be nigh impossible. it's the reality you face when the enforcing body of international law is also the governing body and also the perpetrator.
Adrian Cruz
You sound like a fucking bureaucratic shill who was never on the field. I find your story hard to believe after the conversations I've had with a dozen+ soldiers who were on the ground fighting the Taliban.
> Maybe they didn't interact with any Afghans
That's pretty fucking funny...
Michael Long
>mercs their illegal. Also PMC pay isn't that great.
Robert James
We all know you're just ass blasted because you got BTFO by NATO
Isaac Turner
>Only way to stop these savages, the ROEs are literally there to stop us from ending the war so that the kike elites can line their pockets.
War is profitable. The military-industrial complex makes billions off these wars and then they use this money to control Congress. When will Americans wake up and stop dying for kikes?
Robert Diaz
> They consider the Atomic bombing if Japan a war crime
