>Learning resources First and foremost check the Sup Forums Wiki. Please contribute to the wiki as you learn a new language. Many pages need updates. Some pages are completely absent (Hungarian for example)
Check pastebin.com/ACEmVqua for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides.
/Lang/ is currently short on those image guides, so if you can pitch in to help create one for a given language, don't hesitate to do so!
Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages: Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages: drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk# (Links to the other folders, apparently it was taken down from the original drive)
Does anyone have any tips or resources for accent reduction? I'm sick of people thinking I'm a tourist here
Ian Edwards
Hi /lang/! If you are learning Dutch or just want to meet some people, please do visit our 2000th thread! Feel free to grab a cake and say hello!
Jacob Rogers
It differs a lot depending your native language and target language. I usually just repeat the words on Babadum like the autismo i am
Cameron Williams
>tfw Polish coursebooks has pierogi recipe
Wyatt Phillips
accents are cute though
Jayden Anderson
For vocab I'm using this Anki deck from another poster here. Grammar seems simple enough to soak up through usage. ankiweb.net/shared/info/853403688
Again?
Kayden Bennett
I want to learn some German but I'd like to spend a while getting a good grasp on correct pronunciation first. Any good YouTube channels? Videos like this basically youtube.com/watch?v=xx1THDIGyJk
What happened to the autists making their own language here?
Ryder Cook
He passed away.
Leo Sanchez
Good to know that people learning japanese/mandarin won't be running out of jerbs soon
Kayden Richardson
Any Toaq speakers still come here? Do you guys know any good resources for learning Toaq?
Ayden Wilson
On my second day of learning Italian, using Duolingo for now but am hoping to get a proper Italian for beginners book and dictionary when I am back in the city in a week. The plan is to use Duolingo and beginners guide to work up to a workable state where I can do basic conversations, then more advanced resources.
Jayden Murphy
Actually, why would anyone use duolingo to learn language? I just tried ot a bot and then I can't pass any of those test for my native tongue
Dylan King
I like the way it teaches in small digestible chunks supported by discussions and notes.
Evan Brown
Not mine
Nicholas Garcia
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Nathaniel Reyes
German pronunciation is easy, a lot easier than French imo, but maybe its because I'm an Anglo. every letter is pronounced. You just have to get used to the umlauts and certain vowel combination like "eu"
its a good place to start. maybe memrise is better?
Gabriel Perry
You say that, but I took classes for several years as a kid and they never even taught us about Auslautverhaertung. They taught us the g sound in Sonntag is the same as the g sound in the English word "dog"... I'd like to start reading literature asap and I don't want to learn the words all wrong like many heavy readers tend to.
Nathan Allen
desu I never heard of that either, but I think the combination of the vowel/consonant makes a lot of those natural.
I dont hear much of a difference between tag and tak for example.
also you should check out German for Reading
Carter Rivera
hey lads, i'm looking for an article about writing languages using characters similar to chinese. i know it uses fish as an example really early on in the writing but i can't seem to find it anymore. thanks for any help.
Jordan Harris
>its because I'm an Anglo. every letter is pronounced Niqqa English is worse in this regard than French, stop this shitty meme
Matthew Sanchez
excellent taste in TOOTERS my dudes
William Long
How do you guys USE anki?
What I mean is, if I learn a word in Anki, i can understand it if I see/hear it, but it's a lot harder to recall the words and use them in my own sentences. What do you do to make recalling vocab easier?
Asher Ward
I'm very worried about my awkwardness at listening to and speaking English. Do you know some specific tools you use for its improvement?
Angel Wright
For me, it's just so I have seen the word before and other apps and books will make use of them. It just makes it easier getting through.
Aaron Hill
For recall you need to do the cards in reverse order (target language on back of card) to force your brain to recall it instead of just recognizing it.
David Roberts
hmm, yeah thats true. I really should be exposing myself to more apps/books/news in my TL. The vocab needs context.
The anki decks I use have the inverse cards, but I feel like they occur with much less frequency
Tyler Richardson
see
Liam Perry
Interested in biblical hebrew and greek.
Cameron Hernandez
Modern or ancient greek?
Julian Campbell
Koiné Greek in the bible, I don't know how close it is to classical or modern desu.
Joshua Gutierrez
Want to post your speech sample here? Really just watch and listen to lots of audio samples, that is, movies tv shows radios etc and then, try to replicate/follow along with it properly. I believe it's generally called shadowing. Also there's this: write-out-loud.com/tongue-exercises-for-articulation.html Move your tongue around lots of times, vibrate the muscles a bit. I used to play with my tongue kinda like that while young, subsequently now I find it natural to do rolling Rs like in Italian or Spanish.
Also people don't really mind accents, what's important is that you speak clearly and concisely, don't stutter much. You'll appear more confident that way (even if you're not inside).
I'm not sure if there are any actual specific tools yet; maybe a good text-to-speech program? Are you using an android phone? There's a setting in Google TTS such that you can instruct it to be more expressive, though it needs to connect to the internet to do so, otherwise it'll use the flat, robot voice.
Asher Scott
here you are. It's a edited version of my assignment video for university. the proper noun "FLOW" is a name of the class for which I made this speech. vocaroo.com/i/s0xwUpTPtQyc
>Mrs Tongue lives in her house, the mouth. >Every morning she mops it from ceiling to floor. >First she sweeps her mop from right to left.
Austin Bell
De bump
Anthony Richardson
Back to my daily /lang/ grind, after a much needed winter break from it.
Jeremiah Price
I take it "FLOW" is the name of the class you're attending? Anyways your reading and writing is good already, the challenge here is that you appear to be forcing the words out - it's like you're shouting, but not. From your voice I assume you're moving your jaw a lot, like you're chewing really hard. I suggest not opening your mouth too much, maybe stick your tongue out of the mouth to get a measurement, and then make sure when you're speaking, try not to open your mouth more than what the tongue makes it open when you stick it out.
For example, here you say tongue as "taAANG", try to speak a softer "tang" instead. Other than saying she "see", I don't see any major errors.
If you want to post more audios feel free, I can comment on them. Can't really reply fast though ww
Jose Nelson
>your comprehension of "FLOW" is right, this is the class in which our English command in academic terms is evoked.
OK it seems I put too much emphasis... and I mistook the sound of "she" /ʃi;/? OK I tried to repost, how about this? vocaroo.com/i/s1as9L3QXBOl
I can't find anything but university outlines for heritage speakers learning heritage language.
gonna try and intuit to mastery because its gonna be impossible to go through like a year of this is hello this is a ball bullshit.
maybe young adult novels and just read and pronounce out loud while looking up grammar bits that I don't recognize and vocab I don't know.
hopefully this works
Jordan Taylor
this woman at pizza place spoke italian and I was stunned all I could do was listen while she spoke.
none of the recordings sounds good. Is it just the difference from hearing languages in a recoding and in person?
it was so beautiful but none of the recordings of italian or any language give me even a twinge
Jacob Evans
I want to learn at least two new languages. Which of these do you guys think I should/would like to know? >German >Russian >Japanese >Greek >Latin
Kayden Phillips
What language are you learning dude?
The language you'd immediately use. I got from 0 to reading novels in a year with jp because i watched anime all the time already. Started learning words, reading about grammar and turned subtitles off.
Nathaniel Cook
depends on the recordings. The first german textbook I used had super stiff and boring recordings. The textbook im using now has much more natural sounding recordings. But generally, yeah recordings and real people speaking are quite different.
Matthew Hill
Both greek and latin are useful cause of sufixes and prefixes used on portuguese. And japanese is useful only for animetards like me. The other just sound kinda cool to me.
Hudson Lewis
>Japanese >German The only useful you listed
Justin Lewis
>Japanese >Useful >Russian >Not useful Off yourself.
Joseph Hall
Not me, but I kinda agree on the Russian part.
Easton Allen
German and Russian are probably the most useful, but you should pick which one you want to learn the most because Language learning is enough of a battle for discipline with a language you like, let alone with one you don't like
Carter Cox
>Japanese >more useful than Russian
Fuck off, weeaboo.
Bentley Rodriguez
spanish
Thomas Brown
yeah but then shouldn't you just be learning prefixes and suffixes?
80/20 and all that
Logan Evans
alright here is the official list
being human(expressing affection, being angry, speaking with god, art, humanities, speaking with family, companionship) and politics >romance language of choice
science >german
being goofy acting silly and making jokes >english
Aaron Wood
Ha, this one is much better. I hear you're putting less stress on speaking the syllables, and the difference between 'she' and 'see' is slightly more audible now. To improve, I recommend a little more stress on 'sh' part, to differ from 'see'. As to 'see', try speaking it just a little bit longer, so it sounds like 'see' and not 'si'. To practice, maybe say shhhe, and seeee a few times.
As for this part I suppose you're saying this: "She see the guy, all set. Someone took my seat" ? If so, then same thing applies as my first part - make 'see' just a bit longer. I hear some syllables still being stressed where they don't need to, but both of these samples are much better than the first one you posted When learning a new language, see if it fits these two: >there's a couple of career opportunities, or ways to make money out of it in my life >I'm surrounded by this language a lot, therefore I'd like to learn it If it's not these two, then why bother? "I'm passionate/I like it" is like a punctured tire, going flat soon. So if it were me, among those languages I'd choose German and Japanese, lots of tourist jobs in being able to speak those.
Noah Bennett
Indeed, finding decent Spanish resources is hard. Everyone who isn't a heritage speaker just tell me to hang around Spanish people and i'll pick it up pretty fast but that setting isn't for me. The only other person i know who learned Spanish who doesn't live around Spanish speakers started with duolingo but that app bores me to death with how slow it is.
I'll focus on learning Spanish eventually but for now i've got my sights on Chinese. I'm just getting started but my routine so far is to have an anki deck for vocab and sentences. I slowly learn sentences and then break down those sentences and learn the words inside them with the help of the vocab deck. After i've gotten a feel for it, that's when i'll start focusing on grammar.
Tyler Morris
Recall comes naturally the deeper your exposure to the language. Don't worry about it and just focus on learning words until you're able to read. Once you're at able to read novels level, learning to recall will be much much easier. One thing at a time user
Jonathan Murphy
Guys, when you learnt your first second language, what language was it and how long did it take for you to become good enough to hold conversations with others in that language?
Kayden Walker
For Asians, Japanese (and Mandarin, I guess) is useful since they are cucked by them. I remember reading somewhere that Japanese is something akin to the lingua Franca of (east) Asia; dunno how much truth there is to that, though. But for the rest, you are right only weeaboos would think Japanese is more relevant than Russia.
Jack Morris
There is no East Asian lingua franca, everyone hates each other there And if there were one it would be Chinese, seeing as all East Asian languages derive from it somehow
Justin Scott
Japanese took 2 years of ~4 hours a week of studying + 4ish months of living in Japan to be able to keep converstaion, and another 3 months to do it comfortably
Matthew Gray
>lives in Switzerland >second language was Japanese I don't believe this unless you have Japanese ancestry.
Hudson Murphy
>What are air planes You can't trust the flags here
Brandon Collins
bump
Parker Barnes
(o sewi e ni, ilo o!)
Jordan Mitchell
wump
Nathaniel Harris
>tfw have seen 10% of cards in the duolingo anki deck (9600 cards) >and 9% of cards in a 4000 most common words deck (8000 cards) thats like almost 900 words in total, which doesn't sound like a lot but it sure feels like it.
Dominic Brooks
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Levi Brooks
Thanks!
Connor Bennett
>Japanese >useful This was bait, right?
Adam Johnson
If so, why are you responding to it 5 hours later? Are you stupid?
Henry Williams
>Interested in biblical hebrew and greek. I could see the handwriting on the wall (Book of Daniel). My language being forgotten again.
Speaking of which, I'll just paste this from another thread.
>the greek language >one of the most miserable languages in the world because while about most languages attention is paid to the current one as for this language people never focus on the current but the ancient one.
This is the case with my language, significantly more so than Greek. Not only are there people who read a little bit of history and think Aramaic is a dead language, but even people who know it's not a dead language underestimate it. Even the news journalists mistakenly call one village "the last Aramaic speakers" when 1-4 million people who practically have nothing to do with that village speak it around the world.
In 1800, there were a couple areas where the vast majority of people were monolingual Aramaic speakers.
>doing an hour of pushkin institute every day How long until I can post on двaч?
Christian Nelson
When was the last time you practiced your language out "in the wild", /lang?
Kevin Sanders
When was the last time you practiced your language out in the real world, /lang/?
Tyler Sanchez
I wish I had opportunities to practice with natives like this guy I live in a boring neighbourhood with absolutely no foreigners, but I'd probably be too autistic to try to start a conversation with someone else in the first so it doesn't really matter
Thomas Jackson
I thought you guys had a lot of expats in your big cities.
Dominic Edwards
What combination of apps, textbooks, and other resources do you use to learn your target language?
I use a textbook, duolingo (though I am almost done with it), and a website called lingq
Duolingo was great until recently. I've gotten to a point where it doesn't seem to useful for vocab acquisition or grammar instruction. Anyone else experience the same?
