"The truth does not fear investigation"

>"The truth does not fear investigation"
>"Why is the holocaust the only historical event that cannot be questioned?"

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Well, go on. Why is it?

The picture I posted represents you.

We should throw the kikes in ovens for real

Because it was really fucking horrible and it happened very recently and the people who 'question' it are almost invariably fascists.

Or maybe it's because of an evil international Jewish conspiracy.

Take your pick.

Do you think jews were the only race capable of gaining control of the media? Surely not. So why did they do it? Why did they launch a VERY aggressive campaign to gain control of all media after world war 2?

> it was really fucking horrible it happened very recently and the people who 'question' it are almost invariably fascists
so? "recent" events cannot be questioned? horrible events cannot be questioned? people branded as "fascist" cannot ask questions about historical events? makes no sense. holocaust denial shouldn't be illegal even noam chomsky agreed on it (if you need non-fascist examples or want an appeal to leftist/liberal authority figures) youtube.com/watch?v=4-oV42OMQoE ...

>da JOO00oOo0oOooSSssssSSsS!

Holocaust denial is perfectly legal here. But it's usually done as part of hate speech, which is illegal. The law only wants you to be somewhat civilized, but for many that's too much to ask.

>very recently is 80 years ago
>has the most museums, time and attention dedicated to it than anything else ever will

>he says after he posts "DAAA FAAASCCIIISSTSSS"

9/11 is questioned all the time

conspiracy sounds more realistic
you can question and research every genocide known to man legally except the holocaust

Wasn't me, first of all, second of all, your pic basically confirms him that yes, only fascists and white """""supremacists""""" care about holocaust denial.

people who deny the holocaust are almost invariably adherent to some kind of far right ideology

>WWII never happened

Holohoax

which is bad because?

Because there's irrefutable evidence that it happened and the only people that try to refute it are white nationalists and Sup Forums-tier autists who think a shitty cherry picked infograph is a reliable historical document. I disagree that it should be illegal to deny it but I can understand why it's that way in Germany given their history.

>one person posting a brainlet jew meme confirms that anyone questioning the holocaust is a fascist and wants to gas 6million more
I do not follow the logic

The only people who care about >DA JOOS are Iranians and fascists, and you're not yelling "Ya Ali!"

it's not that recent things can't be questioned, it's that recent things are more documented and that denying an event with such staggering amount of documentation is pretty much give away you're not interested in "truth" but spreading antisemitic propaganda

I can't tell if this leaf is making fun of holocaust deniers or if he's a holocaust denier unwittingly posting a quote of himself with a retarded wojak. Anyway, I used to be strongly against forbidding public denial of the genocide but unironic neo-Nazis, antisemitic retards, and holocaust deniers that are popping up everywhere lately are making me reconsider my position.

I'm not saying it's good or anything but it's just ridiculous how a lot more people died in WW2 than the jews but they get probably around 95% of the airtime in any mention of world war two.

Didn't way more slavs die?

because it is always done as a matter of promoting ahistorical revisionism for political reassurement, so it is that the only people who care about the 300.000 typhus victims or another apocryphal estimate about holocaust victims are usually right wingers who want to make themselves believe that hitler dindu nuffin and that his ideology wasn't genocidal in core

the holocaust unequivocally happened but the sense of deference and near-veneration afforded to it is a little bit creepy

>If we shut down anyone trying to discuss the holocaust they will just go away for good
Doesn't this just make them think "The joos are realizing we are in the right!" and radicalize them further?

Because Jews were the largest and most specifically targeted group in the actual genocide. Many slavs died, yes, but this is clouded by the fact that many of them didn't die in camps but due to starvation. And holocaust memorials usually recognize not just Jews, it's just that Jews are the ones people think of when they think of the Holocaust.

The point of these laws is to stop these bozos from radicalizing other people. They're free to think whatever they want in private.

Because it's a shut case. Saying it didn't happen is like saying the Earth is flat . And almost half of the casualties were not Jewish

Yeah but it wouldn't it make it more taboo kind of how with islamic terrorists all attempts to shut them down just made them realize it's "them against the world" and become angrier and more radical?

>"Why is the holocaust the only historical event that cannot be questioned?"

It's mostly for the fact that most holocaust deniers really aren't looking to "set the record straight"

If you made discussion free and open of the holocaust then you could utterly btfo anyone denying it and deny them the chance of say "THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY IS PREVENTING US FROM INVESTIGATING"'.

Most of the argument of Holocaust deniers is "See? These men were attacked and imprisoned simply for questioning it!".

I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal to question (and AFAIK in most countries it is), I'm just trying to explain why it isn't in some places and why it's frowned upon.

Because it's a settled fact and the only people who question it are unbearably annoying morons, so it's just easier to make the whole topic a taboo than to have to suffer all the idiotic questions and non-arguments.

Okay so make it legal to discuss just like the theory that the earth is flat and let them investigate it freely and BTFO them everytime?

Aren't most of these laws written in a way that bans the denial of genocide and ethnic clensing in general?

>BTFO them everytime?
That would be a waste of time since conspiracists don't respond to facts. Also, it's legal in Croatia.

Because far righters are brainlets

>>"Why is the holocaust the only historical event that cannot be questioned?"
Because there's no legitimate basis on which to do so, it is established historical fact, it is well recorded and exhaustively documented. To debate the issue with the proponents of a fringe extremist agenda serves no other purpose but to legitimize dangerous radicalization. Self serving pseudo-historical revissionism cannot be tolerated under the guise of scholarly research.

Hitler was third position though

I always thought the laws against Holocaust Denial were wrong and dangerous precedents as far as censorship goes. After actually interacting with Holocaust Deniers (or 'revisionists' as they prefer) and realizing they are, to a man, nazis interested in rehabilitating National Socialism and don't give a shit about the historical record, I'm a lot less hostile towards those laws.

Most of their conspiracy is based around it being banned or highly taboo. Do you not get my point?

They say the same thing about the battle of cable street, how instead of harming fascism it just drummed up more public support because the fascists appeared to be "in self defense"

Holocaust deniers aren't looking for a honest debate, they're looking for a platform from which they can repeat a lie until it becomes accepted. That's why they ignore the opposition and continue using long debunked arguments. They know there's someone out there not familiar with the topic who'll take them on their word.

I wonder if it was in fact stupidly exaggerated.

And yes if you can't speak against it, that's a massive red flag for me.
Not denying it didn't happen, but letting you deny it for me raises more suspicions than the rest.

That's ironic that Holocaust deniers use the quote you posted in reference to the Holocaust being a lie.

Yeah because they're retarded.

I still have yet to see a good explanation for what happened to the 5-6 million Jews that mysteriously disappeared from Nazi occupied Europe between 1939 and 1945.

IT IS SUCH A MYSTERY

>holocaust didn’t happen but I wish it would happen

I disagree. People denying mass slaughter is relatively common. Turks deny the Armenian genocide. There's Serbs who deny Srebrenica. In Croatia, you can find people who deny that some 80,000 Serbs were killed at Jasenovac, and there's no ban on denying.

And yes, it's taboo, and it's taboo for a reason, because they're significant and horrible events and someone is prepared to insult the memory of all those people in order to propagate their own political ideas. People react to that.

Look I'm not denying it or even questioning any details. I'm questioning the idea that banning discussion of a historical event is actually a good decision.

My point is that when you prevent even questioning certain details of the holocaust it creates this "truther" movement. Kinda similar to how if you banned or oppressed islam instead of then getting BTFO, they decide "The world hates us because we are the bringers of Allah's truth" or whatever shit and decide to kill infidels three times as fast

I have a feeling if the Germans really wanted to kill them all, they would have.

Plus there are many Jews who claim it was grossly exaggerated, and that itself is an insult to those who suffer. Unfortunately , we will never know.

Kike shills.

I made the unfortunate mistake of asking a few questions in a college class about the Holocaust statistics back when I believed it. The Prof lost her fucking mind and didn't answer the question.

And you grew up into a moron, as she predicted.

>denying your hero's greatest achievement in order to get a platform to advance your agenda

You do realize there are like mountains of evidence and documents literally everywhere.
Hell there are still a fuck ton of people who lived it that are still alive and can talk about it. And that includes kapos, guards and nearby populations of several countries.

Exactly like the moonlanding, the only people "investigating" it are basing themselves on a few YouTube videos and proven forged documents like the protocol of Zion.
If you do any basic research you'll find all the evidence you want it actually happened.

Don't the vast majority of deniers not go "NOTHING HAPPENED AT ALL TO THE JEWS" but instead just question certain details or numbers?

>a few YouTube videos
Exactly. But they justify this by saying "We dont have credible researchers because they'd be fired and attacked by antifa if they went public!!!".

Do you see where I'm going with how if you allowed discussion of the subject it'd clear up probably a majority of revisionism?

Nah, they just spout that the jews died of hunger cause the allies bombed the supply routes.

The Roflcopter gets investigated and questioned all the time you dipshit. It's just that stupid people make stupid laws against openly contradicting the facts with bullshit like "did you know all the Jews actually escaped and are living in America now?"

I'm not agreeing with that BTW. That's stupid, but it deserves to be said, just like every other dumb idea deserves to be aired out and then thrown away. The only thing we get from laws against Holocaust denial is more Holocaust denial. Which is why my country doesn't do stupid shit like that, and why France and Germany have an ongoing neo-Nazi problem.

The central claim is that there was no organized plan to exterminate European Jewry and that only a couple hundred thousand at most died, which is patently retarded in view of the numbers.

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It is because more to do with the management of spaces. Yes, you could bring the average Sup Forumskiddie to a public debate and humiliate him, but that would cost time, and money, something which is valuable, especially considering that those people use the same regurgitated arguments that have been debunked several times. Also, all of this is of course considering that the negationist in question is open minded to criticism, which is often not the case.

>Plus there are many Jews who claim it was grossly exaggerated, and that itself is an insult to those who suffer. [citation needed]
>Unfortunately , we will never know.[dubious—discuss]

When you literally bring up the holocaust every single time a teenaged kid draws a swastika on a fence or someone criticizes a jew/israel it creates the whole ">MUH HOLOCAUST >muh 60000trillion wahh" meme that stormfronters use.

It just seems to invalidate people's suffering if it's used an emotional negotiation tool.

In all honesty the best course of action would be to teach more people about the holocaust really, like the nitty gritty and details of it all. Having a more informed population on the subject would be better overall. I can understand where you're coming from with open debate and I can agree to that. But I don't think it would be quite as effective when alot of people don't read up on alot of history these days which is something that the denier uses to their advantage; convicing the ill-informed through emotionally charged, vaguely defined arguments.

it's almost as if the holocaust was really bad and edgetards who draw swastikas on synagogues are bad people by extension

i find it interesting that people who deny the holocaust also wish that it would have happened

Yeah but it just looks silly when rabbis go on TV and start talking about how Jews feel threatened because a 15 year old miscreant did it not because he's read Mein Kampf but because it's possibly the edgiest and most offensive symbol

>Which is why my country doesn't do stupid shit like that, and why France and Germany have an ongoing neo-Nazi problem.
Your country has a neo-Nazi problem as well.

You know it's not a government secret with proofs locked behind secret defense.

It's all out in the open.
There are literally MUSEUMS dedicated to the subject. You can go to the actual places where it took place they are nearly all open to public. You can interview people that read it, you can consult all the archives of nazi germany and several governments that collaborated.
You can read one of the bazillion testimonies of the Russians and allied soldiers that liberated the camps, the book written by people who went there etc.
The sheer amount of public evidence is completely astounding and it all corroborates and it's recent enough to be assessed to be credible.

Nobody is kept from doing any kind of research on that. There are no documents witheld from public by some secret Jew agency.

The thing is people never do that. They look a few infographics and memes on Sup Forums that are based on flawed work or blatantly lying.
Every "semi serious" negationniste scholar like brasilliach have been completely debunked.

Exactly like the flat earthers, the negationnists rely on the fact that you don't have on hand the technical proofs to some ambiguous claims they make because you never questioned it formaly.
They are not interested in looking at the evidence they just want to claim there is a PC conspiracy because it fits their conspiracy worldview