Seeing as Japan bros are probably just clocking out now, before they get their 4 hours of sleep, I was hoping some could share their insight.
I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago, and plan to work hard and make a career out of it. However, the only advice I've gotten from veteran employees at the company is to "ignore the bullshit and focus on the paycheck".
I was hoping other cultures could share some more inspiring perspectives regarding work ethic.
Japs sleep at work, that isn't working harder.
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>Japs sleep at work
That is actually much smarter way of living, as they are able to improve the way they are perceived at work by sleeping at work.
>clocking out now
>implying I`m not in bed masturbating
>"ignore the bullshit and focus on the paycheck"
Possibly the best advice you could ever receive. For me personally I neither get involved nor expect too much out of Walmart since I haven't seen any examples of people being promoted (unless they were already in some sort of managerial role) in nearly the decade I've worked overnights.
People with work ethic are hard to find, this is even worse if your co-workers are barely competent FOB niggers.
The only reward I get for my extra effort I put in (making sure shit is done 100% even if I have to break labor laws and work for free) is slightly better treatment from my direct management since the area I'm in goes to shit when I'm out for a week or two.
The less you do for salary you're paid, the more you earn. There is no such thing as work ethic. Don't be a dick, control your power level, remember that you're disposable and focus on the paycheck.
The guy was right OP.
No amount of "inspiring perspectives" will change your situation. Either you kiss ass (becoming hated by your coworkers in the process) and pray you get a promotion (hope you're not a straight white male), or follow the guy's advice and avoid becoming an undignified piece of shit.
This isn't the 60's anymore, you don't "work your way up" unless maybe you go to school and get a degree while working.
t. wageslaved at a plant for 4 years
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Me too
>work for free of the clock
>for walmart
You cuck. Dont do that. Walmart will use you up and lose you. If you want to be that dedicated get a job that matters for a company that rewards hardwork and loyalty. Walmart does neither.
Ultimately pretty much every job you could ever get is going to wind up like groundhog day eventually. You can be all super motivated and optimistic now but after a few months, a year at most, it's gonna start to wear on you as you fall into a pattern of waking up, going to work, doing the same shit you pretty much always do, going home, going to bed, repeat. Not that this is bad if you have a good job that you like, that's comfy and pays well or at least decently, around people you like to be around.
As far as work ethic goes, my advice to people close to me is "you need to manage people's expectations of you". Whatever you do will ultimately be considered "the norm". If you bust your ass all of the time and work at 100% of your ability, you'll be expected to do that all of the time. If you burn out and do 80% or 50% some day, they'll get pissed off at you, even though you've been pushing yourself all this time they don't care. On the other hand, the reverse is also true: if you work at 50% all the time and do as much or more than your coworkers, and then one day they're in a bind and need you to work harder, and you do let's say 80% of your ability, they'll be like "oh shit you're awesome!". An example of this is when I was a test operator. Could I have worked 2 testers at the same time every day? Sure. Did I? No. I wouldn't get shit for it if I did and it'd be way more stressful. But one weekend they needed to get out some parts quickly so I worked 2 testers for 16 hours and my boss praised the fuck out of me and gave me a $50 gift card (I chose Panera since I was going there a lot at the time, better quality food than Dunkin Donuts).
Ultimately though, a lot of people are lazy fucks. In all honesty you'll find that simply doing your job consistently will make your boss(es) treat you like a god. You'll be like "uhh... it really wasn't that big of a deal, I just did what you asked me to..." and you'll find out most people can't even manage that.
>I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago,
There are still factories in America? I thought they were all in China.
>This isn't the 60's anymore, you don't "work your way up" unless maybe you go to school and get a degree while working.
It still works this way in STEM. I started as a test operator (the bottom basically), worked my way up to being a technician, and will eventually become an engineer or programmer probably depending on what I want to get my BS degree in. I still occasionally feel bad for people who can't into math and science. Seems pretty rough out there for every other sector of the economy. But hey, if liberals are gonna give me shit for being a smart straight white male no matter what I do I guess I might as well enjoy my "privilege" while I can.
Based Hiroshima Nagasaki.
Oh yellow fever, why can't I seem to get rid of you?
This is great advice. I work a shitty callcenter taking calls for bestbuy. It pays bills and thats about it.
My sup loves me because im competent and actually make an effort, but i never go balls to the wall 100%. Im at like a steady 85% and i still outshine my coworkers by a lot. As a result i get away with petty shit most people get hassled over.
Me again, just came to say that this is also good advice.
Not any ITAR factories.
>I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago
Is this your first factory job? Are you a young person?
If so, unless the company is really great to you I would leave after a year or two. Offer your skills and experiences to another company, sell yourself like you know what you're doing and get a higher paying job. I did this about 5 times since I graduated high school and now I manage a large portion of medical equipment manufacturing plant. Living the easy, good 40hr/week life.
What kind of degree do you have?
look at how clean their public transport is.
in chicago you're lucky if a homeless degenrate doesn't shit on you riding.
Don't work hard, work smart
ask question. Every day. Every hour
> how does this work?
> How does this part relate to this part?
> What is his/hers function in the process
> Why do we do it like this?
> How can I avoid a problem
Everytime something goes wrong, get the veterans to explain the how and why.
Asking questions, and of course remembering the answers, means that people will see you as a seeker of knowledge, someone who is "interested".
The more knowledge you have, the more valuable you are.
Still, here in the beginning, you need to show some initiative. Downtime? Pick up a broom and sweep the floors. Pick up some litter. Unclutter some mess. Go through the lines and look for cracks, loose material, anything which seems out of the ordinary. Make it seem like you give a damn.
When the veterans start their tirades against "the system", "the owners", "the management", keep fucking silent and don't be part of it. You have no experience, you don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Absorb what they say, and maybe, there will be 10-20% sensible things that you can take with you in your further career to improve things. Stuff that has been downsized and saved money on that costs too much because it results in bad production or production stops, etc etc etc.
Keep your eyes and ears alert.
DO NOT USE YOU PHONE, seriously!
Always be ready to jump up when there is a task to be done, don't sigh, don't moan.
One last thing: you are the greenhorn, you WILL be subjected to the worst kinds of work and the most annoying tasks, because that is all you are good for, and it is also to test you and to see how you fare in harder conditions and under pressure.
"Its only about to get worse" - everyone i've ever met and talked to
I feel I have to do this because no other place will be able to match my hourly wage ($15) since I don't have a GED or anything, so this is the best I will ever have it in life.
>Goto London having disgusting english cancer breakfast at 7am
>See these absolutely disgusting fat fucks like in that pic but wearing even lesser clothes
>Also the amount of women there that just wanted to fuck us disgusted me no wonder theres that saying you sleep with one english girl you've slept with every english person because 90% of the population is harboring some STI/STD
Guy above is right, no one moves up in factories. Good chance you will be doing the same thing in 15-20 years.
Sure thing Mr. Shekelbergstien.
Maybe I should come in early tomorrow as well :^)
Working in a factory really isn't that bad if its clean manufacturing. I worked in the dirtiest, shittiest machine shop you've ever seen but I still found ways to enjoy it. Be cheerful and it rubs off on those around you. I only left because the dark colors and loud environment started making me depressed. Got a job working outside and now I feel much better and have a tan. Remember to get some sun. Vitamin D deficiency fucks you up.
Well, my factory is very strict on hours. You have to take two 15 minute breaks (20 including time spent walking to and from the break room) and a 30 minute unpaid lunch (stupid Nevada law).
If you don't take the breaks, or work off-the clock, you can be subject to automatic termination for a single offense.
The pay starts at $17/hour, and has a 50 cent raise at 3 months, 6 months, and 1 year, with yearly 50 cent raises after that. So I have been happy with the paychecks and over-time potential.
The company offers free online classes, and apparently HR can see all the classes you take, so I'm planning to take as many as I can and rack up certifications and work my way up the corporate ladder. I have the advantage of a graduate education.
I was just hoping for some mental support. Some outside perspectives on hard work. I can work hard, I'm smart and rarely daydream, and I'd rather be at work than doing nothing... but I can have a hard time staying happy, and I don't want to be too much of a zombie.
I envy people who know how to show up on days off, work past their shift, and still be chipper. What's the secret?
No problem guys, glad I could help by sharing my experience.
Honestly, you know what the crazy thing is I've experienced? Just doing your job is often enough for people to think you're amazing. I mean I'm talking about working at a major multinational corporation here, testing microchips in big tester machines and shit. Being around highly educated people all day, serious business here not like working at the local mcdonalds or something.
And yet? They just tell me to do these tests and I do them and they're basically like "HOLY FUCK YOU DID THE THING WE ASKED YOU TO DO WHEN WE ASKED YOU TO DO IT! HOW THE FUCK? ARE YOU A FUCKING GOD HOLY SHIIIT" and I'm like "uhhh really? I mean honestly it wasn't that hard, you just repeat the same few simple motions over and over and..." "NO FOR REAL THAT SHIT IS CRAZY HOW THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO THE JOB WE HIRED YOU TO DO???"
I mean obviously I'm exaggerating a bit for comedic effect but it really feels like that. I just did my job, I didn't go over the top, I didn't go above and beyond, I didn't even work super hard. I could do twice as much testing as some of my coworkers and I didn't even work that hard, I just sat there and figured out how to do my testing in the most efficient way possible, then I just repeated that over maybe 6-7 hours while I sat in a comfy chair. Basically just unscrewing a cap, using a suction pen to take out a small metal square a quarter the size of a postage stamp, put it in the correct tray based on what it says on the computer, put the next part in, push a button, chill for like 5 minutes. Repeat over a full day's shift.
People couldn't even do that. I had this one woman I knew there who would take like 2 hour lunch breaks, would talk on her cell phone all day, would just be really fucking lazy with her testing. Her numbers were abysmal but they put up with her shit because I guess that's just the norm, as weird as that sounds.
Just doing your job astounds people today.
fuck off NEET, he's right.
Reminds me of the advice my brother gave. "Worst thing you can do, is be good at your job", because a supervisor will never want to move you or give you up.
What kind of degree do you have?
Look, a new guy needs to show interest and a bit of initiative or else he is cut off the next time they fire people, or within the 3month probation period or whatever rules there are overseas regarding new employees.
If you start a job and everyone thinks you are a lazy piece of shit you will not be allowed to keep it.
It's different once you are one of the veterans, you can slack off more, you can be more chill, you can be disrespectful towards your bosses.
But if you are new, you suck up, you yessir nosir every order, and you prove that you are not afraid of doing boring or hard tasks
> Proces operator here, just shy of earning enough to pay top bracket tax
And the bullshit about not being able to move up must be an American thing, we have people that rise from the bottom jobs to leadership positions, and the factory only employs about 50 people, so the odds are good that ones with initiative gets put forward in the promotion queue
Certainly feels like that where i work. Wise words.
>factory job career
I have an AS in engineering from a really good accredited community college. Taught all of the foundational stuff like calc I through III plus diff. eq's, 3 physics and 2 chems (all calc-based), C++, AutoCADD, engineering courses like thermodynamics and statics, etc. I learned how to solder on the job. I have 0 debt and a pretty decent amount of savings at this point in my mid 20's.
I plan on working for a good 5-7 years while I try to make my passion in music happen professionally. It's a longshot of course, but I have the talent and want to actually try really hard while I'm still young enough. Even if I just wind up being a music teacher or tutoring people in how to play guitar and can make like $40k/year consistently doing that or however I can make money, I'd be happy. If I can't, I'll just take my savings and work experience and go back to college for my Masters in either EE or CompSci, probably the latter since it seems more chill, secure, and versatile compared to electronics which seems more specific and more likely to get fucked by outsourcing. Like, there aren't really any electrical engineering "gigs" on craigslist if you need the money, know what I mean? But I might change my mind later on, idk yet.
I'd have a hard time devoting myself to that though without trying to follow my dreams, at least make the attempt. Then if I fail I can at least say I tried. I'm very good with math/science/logic-based stuff but I generally lack the motivation since I don't have a passion for it like I do music which I'll do for the rest of my life even if I don't get paid to.
Be proud of your work.
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>I envy people who know how to show up on days off, work past their shift, and still be chipper. What's the secret?
Modafinil. Envying people with a strong work ethic is very different to envying someone who turns up every day and is taken advantage of. My experience is going the extra mile at a job doesn't pay off in the ways you would expect. In your situation it's more likely you will keep the job during layoffs rather than progressing you further.
They are giving you some good advice about avoiding bullshit. I personally view factory work as a living hell. Friends who have done line work tell me it can be just as bad as any office, some of the managers can make your life a living hell if they so choose, and groups of staff. Keep yourself to yourself.
You at least reminded me of something important I should mention:
Take notes. Literally bring a notebook or a pocket notepad around with you at all times with a pen or mechanical pencil.
I mostly started doing this because I discovered most of the time people will just explain something to you once, then leave. If you forgot something you're fucked because you can't reach them or they don't want to be bothered.
You also look like a fucking professional and serious badass when you do this. I've received a ton of compliments from the higher ups who have seen or heard about how vigilant I am about taking notes. Bosses love that shit. I mean again, I work as a technician as an electronics corporation so idk if the same applies to factory work, but it's something to keep in mind.
Take fucking notes. It's very useful and makes you look smart and serious.
A factory? in THE UNITED STATES? Do tell.
Well, you bastard. When I got my plant job I immediately started spending it on recording gear, synths, etc. After 4 years I just couldn't fucking take it anymore.
I was so depressed because of the job that I couldn't even enjoy making music, anytime I tried I'd just get frustrated or lose interest in what I was working on. The 4 years were great for my gear collection, horrible for making music.
> steady paychecks
> mostly no bosses to push you around because of modern teams-structure
> male-dominated
> not nearly as repetitive and backbreaking as it was 30-40 years ago
> increasingly higher standards of safety so you come home with all your fingers, appendages, eyes and chunks of flesh in one piece
> good workers get promotions, because industry has seen massive braindrain since everyone wants a career in womans studies and people are afraid of getting a bit of dirt or oil under their fingernails
> work is seldom boring, would rather work present job than sit in a office where I spent 75% of my time dicking around on the internet because there's nothing to do and feel like I waste time
Good advice lad but if I may add some of my words of wisdom; start playing up (not down) your skills for max effect. You need people to think of you as even better if you want to get up that greasy pole.
Nope OP, that sounds like sound advice. Management will try to train you into being a good little slave, but if it wasn't for the money, you wouldn't be there or give any of the people who command you to do things even the time of day. Remember a company is run for the benefit of management and your typical manager just wants to masturbate to porn in their corner office and hope everything below is running itself.
That being said, don't engage in office politics, don't make any more small talk than you have to, and do your job. Don't try to shirk or get someone else to do what you're supposed to be doing. Your coworkers will try to fuck you over, but I've found that if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, most of the lies and deception will backfire back on them.
>You have to take two 15 minute breaks (20 including time spent walking to and from the break room) and a 30 minute unpaid lunch (stupid Nevada law).
Wow that sucks. Where I work we get a 30 minute paid lunch, and I'm left on my own while being expected to test 16-20 parts per day. I test 2 parts every half hour, so I can do the top end of 20 parts in 5 hours. Since I have full autonomy and the trust of my boss since I'm consistent as fuck and call him on my cell phone whenever there's a problem that needs addressing, I take like hour long lunches where I go for walks around this nice landscaped field they have here, and have plenty of time to fuck around on the internet and listen to music or while I was working and going to school at the same time, study and get paid at the same time. I also generally leave a half hour early and just chill for a half hour to an hour in the morning when I first get in.
Get an associates degree in engineering, man. Community colleges are cheap as fuck, like $11k for the entire 2 years. Just make sure it's legit and accredited and respected and you're good to go.
I could either stay here making around $40-60k/year or eventually move up to being an engineering and one day making 6 figures, it's nice to have options instead of feeling "stuck" somewhere.
Right about going the extra mile for reduced hours, pay and benefits?
How about I do the bare minimum required until you give me some incentive to actually go the extra mile?
What you're saying makes sense.
50 years ago.
Her on the left could give me a gobble.
While you're young you should work two job and get used to sleeping 6 hours a day. One job pays the bills and the other you use to save money in about 10 years you'll have enough money to buy a house. Absolutely never give 100% heck I would even say don't give 75% don't ever volunteer for overtime and especially don't be afraid to talk to HR if your managers give you shit. Never mention you have another job because then it'll be much easier for them to fire you.
Like I said, and maybe I'm just more talented than I think I am which is why I think this is easy, but honestly just doing your job every day while working well with others and having good manners seems to pretty much be enough these days.
I mean on the one hand it kinda sucks since I have no real motivation to compete since the higher ups think I'm godly by just doing my job consistently and reliably every day, but on the other hand I get to live the easy life as a result so I can't really complain. I'm basically stress free and have full autonomy as long as I get my shit done, no one breathing down my neck looking over my shoulder constantly. It's pretty chill with some light labor which keeps me in shape.
I understand what you mean about skills but I'd apply that more to learning new things. When I started learning soldering I wasn't really taught much, but I was basically given like 2 months 40 hours a week to practice by doing it on the job. I researched it on the internet and then experimented on the job and that's how I learned everything, with my boss coming by like once a week to see how I was doing and answer my questions/concerns.
So yeah definitely try to learn whatever you can on the job. My stuff is pretty easy though, at least for me. I figure soon I'll start taking some of my free time for an hour or two a day to study programming books. That's definitely a skill I want to develop for my future career if music doesn't work out professionally.
Listen to these people OP - everyone eventually learns these things, it's just a question of how - the easy way, or the hard way.
Nail this stuff down, and the rest of your job will be easy.
This is present-day
Do you even have a job?
We are not talking about minimum-wage jobs here, modern factory work is much broader and requires more skill and IT savy than it did back when everything was operated by levers
Also LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE about any work experience you have. Need a reference? Get a 2003 phone book and make sure that the place they call is out of business and there you go you have an endless sea of references. Take bullshit summer courses that give you bullshit team management b.s at state colleges and you've already got the makings of working customer services (as long as you're not a fat slob).
True to a degree, I look at it more in terms of % efficiency. The metaphor I tend to use is: imagine you work at a job making widgets. Your coworkers generally make 100 widgets per day. Now let's say, if you worked at your full potential, you really busted your ass and worked as hard as you could, you could do 400 widgets per day. 4x as much as the next guy, but you'd be working 100% as hard as you could. Yet, you could just work at 50% and be relatively stress-free and chill and still be making 200 widgets a day, twice as much as the next guy, but it's pretty easy for you. Then let's say one day they really need you to make 100 extra widgets to get them out of a bind, you work at 75% to make 300 widgets and you're still not working at 100% but you save their ass from the fire, and you get increased respect and praise as a result.
It's basically like that. That's what I mean by "managing people's expectations of you". Because if you worked at 100% all the time, they'd expect 400 widgets from you as the norm. Then if they need 500 widgets you can't do that, you'd be fucked and burned out, and now you pissed them off. Or if you do 300 widgets one day, they'll go "why the fuck did you make fewer widgets? What's wrong with you?" because they just expect 400 widgets a day from you.
That's just how jobs work these days. You do 400 widgets a day and one day only do 300, you're an asshole. You do 200 widgets a day and one day do 300, you're a god who saved their ass. Ultimately you should still strive to be "above average" though, but avoid being the "best". Just be better than your coworkers by a certain degree while still being chill and not busting your ass too hard. Whatever you do consistently will become expected of you as the "norm", you always have to keep that in mind. Even if it doesn't seem fair, that's how it is, and you need to work the system in your favor by understanding how it works.
Hopefully that makes sense.
It depends if you want to get into management or not. Some people hate the thought of being a manager.
If you really want to get into management, you're going to need at least a business degree. You don't really need one, but that's the way the bullshit drops. If you want into upper management you're going to need at least an MBA. If you want into upper management at a prestigious megacorp, you're going to need an Ivy League MBA. Good luck getting one of those, you need to know the right people and have a shitload of money. It's a real aristocracy.
If your boss likes you, that's the best reference you can have if you need to switch jobs. And managers tend to hire away underlings they like when *they* switch jobs. And getting hired away can often mean a raise in pay too. Win-win for everyone.
Get experience in a marketable skill, offer said skill for money.
You are working because you are not a thief.
If you give anything less then your best, you are willfully disrespecting your situation. Which would make you an idiot, because if you are going to be shady and not care, you could just steal or sell drugs, and make far more money.
You're not just there for money, you're there for honest money. So do what is expected of you when you were hired in good faith, as you agreed to.
you'd never have been hired by me.
I think Northern Americans are loosing so much of their industry because their workers have mindsets like that
> Never give your full effort
> Don't do your best
> Let the average drag you down
> I only want to lead, I don't want to follow
> People who make careers are stupid
> There is no future in X-business, so why spend an effort
If it weren't for the petro-dollar and massive natural resources, present-day Northern America would be a Zimbabwe-like failed state
:P
When I was younger my first job I got was working in the deli at stop & shop. It was the worst job I ever had, and I only worked it for 1 4-hour shift before quitting. While I sat in my car during my one 15-minute break, I had to take a hard look at my life and decided this isn't how I wanted to spend it ever day.
The philosophy I developed was that I just wanted every job I got after that one to be just a *little* bit better than the last. Just one small aspect, it could still be a shit job but the pay was a bit better, or I didn't have to work with customers/the public, or I didn't have to go between extreme heat and cold, or I didn't have to work with food and sharp dangerous objects daily. Or go from doing physical labor on my feet all day to being able to sit even just occasionally. Just a *little* bit better than the last job.
I figured if I did that eventually I'd wind up where I'd be happy. I wasn't looking to be rich, I didn't know what I ultimately wanted to do, so I just wanted each new job to be a tiny bit better than the last. Strangely enough I've done that to date, with my current technician job being the best job I've ever had like I described. I still consider it one of my better ideas I've ever come up with.
Also to be fair you can do a lot of shit by just torrenting software and getting a decent microphone (I use a Shure SM58 for example) and a decent audio interface (I use a basic Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 for example) and sampling sounds to fuck around with. I also have some guitars, some from my father and some I bought myself, but you can get some really nice ones really cheap when buying used if you don't mind a few scratches that don't effect the sound, and after the initial purchase they cost next to nothing for upkeep. And you can sample from them of course.
I also got a microbrute as my analog synth, it's monophonic but you can sample it and throw it into a digital synth if you want. No need to spend a lot on gear.
Careful around HR. They are a double edged sword and can cause a lot of chaos that can hurt you just as much as help.
You want to use HR when you're being ordered to do shit that is criminal or otherwise against the law. Even so, HR might decide it's worth it to fuck you over instead and drop kick you out the door. But at least it'll be someone else who gets caught and arrested.
What I'm saying is in the CURRENT YEAR workers have been shafted at every which way to the point it's not even worth it to go that extra mile when it actuality it's not going to amount to anyone other than maybe a "Good job." from your manager.
You need something called incentives to really get yours workers on the ball. There's barely an incentive to get out of bed in the morning and to take the gun away from your cranium but nature programs you well to avoid suicide.
There's no incentives for anything knowing full well I'm not going to be able to afford a house until a retarded age, I'm not going to be able to effectively provide for a family, I'm not going to be a chummy average joe working nine to five and coming home to the kids. These things just quite literally aren't going to happen for this generation. Boomers are going to hold onto their positions until they're in vegetative states on live support at the age of 120. I've worked various jobs since leaving high school and it's only solidified my belief that it's not economically viable to live what I'd consider a good life anymore. The West is on the decline and pretty soon most young men are going to be lying face down in the mud with a rifle slung around their shoulders then there will be McDonald robots taking your orders.
It's admirable to be optimistic in this day an age to SOME degree, but it's pathetic and useless in the long run.
Overtime is time and a half. I'd rather turn an 8.5 hour shift to 12.5 than commute to a second location for less pay.
Japan is the most uncomfy country
weeaboos are delusional
>I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago, and plan to work hard and make a career out of it.
Try to bring back the DeLorean in one piece.
Stop reminding me of the state of my volk, frog.
why not get free money instead ?
that's exactly the problem. this is why the industry is moving out to places where the incentive is the food on the table for the kids. you fucking NEET don't stirr a finger and get it shoved down the piehole.
This could be the saddest picture I've ever seen.
I've heard that they are masters at looking busy and staying late, but not actually working.
In the end, a company gets what their workers are willing to give them and all that varies is just what I would call "theatrics" that surrounds the real work.
And I thought midwestern women looked bad...
Not sure where the fuck you work but in my job HR is not on the supervisors side.
But you can't always count on overtime but you can count that your second job is gonna be there and you can count that you're not going to have to work hard and your boss won't expect much from you since he knows you can't be played by the system.
Industry is moving out to places because the assholes can pay Huang Chi-Poo 1/6th what he's paying me you unbelievable cocksucking moron.
>where the incentive is the food on the table for the kids
This is the incentive for work ALL over the planet. You're not working because you're a swell guy who wants to donate his time, you need to work to live.
Working a job to eat and sleep is the same as breathing, it's a natural function you have to go through if you don't want to fucking die.
And you wonder why the younger Japanese don't want to join that lifestyle, why they're rather be basement dwellers instead.
>I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago, and plan to work hard and make a career out of it.
>plan to work hard and make a career out of it.
>make a career out of it.
This isn't the 20th century anymore, gramps.
pics?
Well I mean when you're a culture that has a specific word for dying at work that literally isn't just "dying at work" you've got a serious problem.
>tfw only young guy working with older guys
the banter is real friends
then why not be good at it?
Being good at your job and going the extra mile aren't synonymous.
Look dude, this is industry jobs we are talking about, not phonecalling or working in a McD or wallmart
Pay is better
Conditions are better
Bosses are better
Benefits are better
We are not talking about minimum-wage jobs here
And in these times, many industrial workplaces actively educate their employees, like me, a proces operator. Which is a trade-school education. Many large industrial workplaces do this, since they want their workers to be as smart as possible
You won't have McD educating chefs
You are in the wrong thread is what I am saying, Hell, you talk about incomes and whatnot, I could support myself AND a stay-at-home wife if I wanted to, and I actually have a collegue that does just that. But women here in my country work, so he is an outlier, I am just trying to show you that all is not lost and there are still plenty of good jobs around.
But the mindset you have, where you don't want to put in any effort, where any kind of obstacle is like a Trump wall in your face, you will never be a good worker. You will never understand that sometimes things have to suck until they get better, you will never understand that the greenhorn gets the worst tasks, you will never experience being the veteran who can give orders to the new guys like I was a fucking officer in the Nazi army.
Okay, I don't really give orders like that, I just tell them what to do, our culture doesn't really place much value on authority, except for the authority you yourself comman through your skills and experience.
Any time over the 40 scheduled is automatically overtime. In a large factory there will always be call-outs, no-shows, break downs, firings, etc. It may not be a set schedule, but it is consistently available and easier to juggle than two separate jobs.
>masturbating in bed
why
You generally don't get paid any better for being "good at it" these days.
The real trick is to look at what your coworkers do and just try to be a bit better than them. If all of your coworkers are overachieving competitive workaholics then I'd suggest finding a different industry to work in. Not something I've ever been into but I've heard paralegals are like this because the only ones that really make the big bucks are the ones that make partner (i.e. the ones with their name on the build, like "Goldberg, Goldstein, and Goy" or something).
Talk about their lack of hair, bully them about impotence, tell them wild stories of all the big-chested beauties you railed last weekend to make them jealous
They lock up pretty quickly once you fire those cannons lol
Aren't we all, based jap?
This is a good point.
Basically there's a huge difference between being a ditch digger and an electrician. They're both physical labor blue collar jobs, but one is skilled and one is not.
Take my shitty-resolution meme, yellow fever!
I work 4 10 hour days and I get 1 hour for break. I'm fucking chipper
>Working
Kek enjoy yourself wage slaves
you get JOB SECURITY
If you find a good workplace and you learn to like the work, your collegues are cool and your boss doesn't breathe down your neck, then it is worth it to go a little extra.
Just don't burn out, don't be overachieving, ´just be better. You will never be fired unless the factory is closed down, and you will have options of moving higher in the food chain if your boss likes you and knows you are not a dumbass.
Even being supervisor or teamleader or whatever can net you 5-10 thousand extra dollars a year, plus you get better benefits for doing less labour and more pencil pushing (if you are into that)
I actually like what I do but I see this wage slave/cuck thing come up every so often, and I've always been kind of curious:
How exactly do you get "NEETbux"? I'm a white straight male and don't have any mental retardation or anything wrong with me, do you just fake social retardation and autism or something? What's the deal? I'm guessing I'm probably fucked since I actually have a work history but I'm still curious how that works for white people exactly.
>Look dude, this is industry jobs we are talking about, not phonecalling or working in a McD or wallmart
It doesn't make a different idiot. When the global economy is on the verge of collapse this affects everyone.
>claims the thread is about industry
OP:
>I started a job in a factory a few weeks ago, and plan to work hard and make a career out of it. However, the only advice I've gotten from veteran employees at the company is to "ignore the bullshit and focus on the paycheck".
>But the mindset you have, where you don't want to put in any effort, where any kind of obstacle is like a Trump wall in your face, you will never be a good worker. You will never understand that sometimes things have to suck until they get better, you will never understand that the greenhorn gets the worst tasks, you will never experience being the veteran who can give orders to the new guys like I was a fucking officer in the Nazi army.
Thanks for completely misunderstanding what I'm talking about. You don't live in workland, you have no idea what North America is like to live and work in and you have no idea what it's like to live in a festering cancer voted worst place to work in the entire country.
It's not about feeling like a bummed out McDonald's worker, it's about being an economically disillusioned worker that understands the disgusting reality of being a human being in 21st century Western society.
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Either you've posted this before
Or its pasta
You still have to actively look for work while your on neetbucks not sure what it's like in America but yeah your much more likely to get it if you fake depression or something along those lines.
I thought by "be good at it" you were talking about actually overachieving/working really hard and shit, so my bad.
I actually agree with everything you said and have all of that at my current job as a EE technician, from here I just hope to get more education so I can make more money and that's about it. My work environment is already top notch.
I'll say this at least though: having an education helps a LOT. Finding a good work place with good or at least decent pay, cool collegues, autonomy in your work, respect for doing a good job, etc is MUCH easier when you have credentials. Doesn't have to be college either, skilled trades like electrician, plumbing, HVACR, etc are similar in this regard if that's what you like to do. Vocational school stuff.
If you work some unskilled job then you're probably fucked. Only time I worked at a factory was when I did data entry as a temp and it was pretty chill tbqh, but working the line seems like it'd kill my soul.
Education is the key to a better life, ultimately. If nothing else you at least need that piece of paper saying you can do thing.
What kind of factory?
Where I'm at, the work itself isn't as bad as the endless repetitiveness of it. It comes down to "ignore the bullshit and focus on the paycheck".