Is there a way to express genuine concerns about Donald Trump, if you have them...

Is there a way to express genuine concerns about Donald Trump, if you have them, on Sup Forums without being labeled a shill?

Honest question. Open discussion.

You should just ignore shillcallers, they aren't making any points and don't contribute to the discussion.

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Nope
you can thank Correct The Record and the thousands of paid faggots spamming here and the rest of the internet.

yes as long as you do not follow the CTR handbook

Nope, cuz it's not an argument.

Only shills we actually know are on Sup Forums are for the scam coin.

Go ahead you pussy christ. Defend yourself if someone calls you a shill.

The people who call others CTR shill are paid shills themselves. This board is full of paid Trump shills who are paid to make it look like nobody supports Hillary, hence why there are daily "has anyone ever met a hillary supporter in real life" threads.

You may as long as you're open to the conclusion that the binary option is far, far worse.
Now go gameplay that before the muslim brotherhood tapes leak.

I disagree with him on abortion. But that doesn't affect me at all. We have bigger issues to worry about such as America not turning into a 3rd world muslim shit hole like Europe.

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thank you for correcting the record

If you have a legit argument, sure, go ahead.

If your concern however is something out of Salons front page, you do deserve shit you get. But lets bite the bait for fun.

What are your genuine concerns about Donalt Trump?

>Is there a way to express genuine concerns about Donald Trump, if you have them, on Sup Forums without being labeled a shill?

do you have anything to say or are you just claiming you can't express your views to stir the shit soup

instead of asking that, why don't you actually share your concerns then we can talk about it.

everyone on Sup Forums is more into namecalling and labeling than actual discussion, but let's try it out. what about him worries you?

i for one support his anti immigration policy, aims for russo/american relationships, and generally trust his intentions much more so than those of hillary.

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Honestly people can quickly tell if you're a shill or not. But legitimate discussion is possible I think

No because it doesn't matter what problems you have with him.
>Trump or Clinton

That's your only choice.
>life or death

Only Trump is life. All other decisions bring us closer to destruction.

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If you've been poisoned you don't complain about the antidotes side effects.

I'm just curious to hear the discussion. I can hold any comments.

fuck off shill

The shill influx has made criticizing Trump on Sup Forums really hard. We all welcome legit discussions though, especially the general. They can be a bit rabid but if you are sincere you will get answers.

For the most part if you want to criticize Trump at the moment, you need to preface it with how Hillary is much much worse.

Then you have literally fuck all to contribute, and the only thing you accomplished here is "dont call a shill a shill".

Thank you for being a retard.

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We're familiar with your shigger tactics.

I guess my bigger question is: what are the productive ways to lay out a criticism of Trump that don't just turn into shill-fests?

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if there werent so many actual paid shills here maybe, but theres no point now that they're poisoning the well

I fucking love the Netherlands.

Criticism of Trump is irrelevant, because Trump is irrelevant.

He tapped into something way WAY bigger than himself. Bernie did too, but he realizes this.

There isn't
You're expecting the delusional to act rationally and think critically

By laying out criticism that is worth debating. A discussion of his policies, his speeches, or anything of importance. Something of actual importance to discuss, not just calling him a name and then pretending its an argument.

If your criticism however is a 10 page article by Goldberg about how trump is a racist because of a 2 second sound clip from 10 years ago, its not criticism worth debate.

Literally, insult the man, not the mans hat.

Do people actually believe a campaign trying to win an election would expend material resources trying to persuade a place like Sup Forums to vote for Clinton, which they pretty plainly never would in any case?

Mentally ill people, trolls, and newfags

>You may as long as you're open to the conclusion that the binary option is far, far worse.

I agree with you I do, but what about Trump being friends with the Clintons in the past, Ivanka still being friends with Chelsey even though she works at the Clinton foundation, and that Trump met with Henry Kissinger who is just as bad as Soros?

Also Trump in the debates called out Bush about the war in Iraq, and verbalized 9/11 was not what we the American people believe it to have been. Then in a recent rally he mentioned the victory spoils referring to the oil in Iraq that we should have claimed. This concerns me because is America just stirring the pot to gain the oil from those countries?

What also concerns me with all of this is that Isis was primarily funded by the obama administration, so is Trump now being sucked into the plan of taking the middle east's oil, or has he been involved all along, or is he really wanting to make us a better country?

Considering that it is in fact happening? Yes. Sup Forums is a resource for trump, and actively investigates clinton. Of course anyone with a brain would try to disrupt it. Its not even hard. Its an anonymous imageboard. Pay 5 people to shit post for 8 hours.

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>I agree with you I do, but what about Trump being friends with the Clintons in the past, Ivanka still being friends with Chelsey even though she works at the Clinton foundation, and that Trump met with Henry Kissinger who is just as bad as Soros?
He was "friends" with them for the same reason as everyone else. So that he could reap the benefits of her corruption for his company.

>Then in a recent rally he mentioned the victory spoils referring to the oil in Iraq that we should have claimed. This concerns me because is America just stirring the pot to gain the oil from those countries?

Trump is trying to claim that since we went into a bad war with Iraq that we shouldn't have, we should have at least gotten something, like oil, out of it. We made a bad move for our nation by going in and an even worse move by not getting anything out of it.

>What also concerns me with all of this is that Isis was primarily funded by the obama administration, so is Trump now being sucked into the plan of taking the middle east's oil, or has he been involved all along, or is he really wanting to make us a better country?

Forming ISIS wasn't about taking oil, if that is what you are saying. It was about destabilizing the middle east for the sake of Israel and trying to have a puppet terrorist organization to harm those we don't like in the ME.

Why would he want to bomb the shit out of ISIS if that really was the case?

I do being that on craigslist recently the democratic party had ads up to hire field agents for the Atlanta area. 1200-1600 a month for temp work I believe was the pay, and no real job description beyond that.

Still concerned about both candidates though. I just hope Trump is the right choice, because I know she is not.

Not a shill. And i already know hillary is basically the devil. But Trump isnt going to do fucking shit. He will be just like Obama. I dont buy into the media deception. Either mainstream or alternative. Im not really neutral either i just genuienly do not believe he will "save america." this is all just a movie and we have no roles in it. This country is fucked prepare your asshole for the new world order. No republic. No democracy. No socialism will fix this shit. Everyone is rotten in and out

I trust him and like him, but I guess I have the general concern of we dont know what his intentions are, I mean he could be living on an island paradise with no worries, Why bother? I think he genuinely loves America, but sometimes worrier I'm wrong

No. Fuck off. If you don't have anything good to say about Trump go post somewhere else

NO.

THIS PLACE IS WORSE THAN TUMBLR AND THESE RIGHT WING RETARDS NEED A SAFE SPACE.

I hope your being satire

>Why bother? I think he genuinely loves America, but sometimes worrier I'm wrong

There are a variety of reasons to bother with trying to be president. You mentioned one reason being that he actually loves this country.

A second reason would be due to him getting annoyed at incompetence. He clearly gets annoyed, or acts annoyed, when people who don't know what they are doing get credit they don't deserve. Look at how he treated Jeb. He knew Jeb didn't deserve to be revered like he was. I recall people saying that Jeb was truly a vicious individual and dangerous negotiator. Trump demonstrated the opposite.

A third reason is because it gives his children an avenue into politics and an opportunity to provide for the safety of his business in the future.

He could just want a nice legacy.

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Don't ask like an obvious shill. Lurk moar. Now, fuck off shill. Why should we teach CTR how to shill properly? We get nothing in return, just better insurgents.

If they don't persuade you in any case, are they really "better" at what they're supposedly here doing?

>Forming ISIS wasn't about taking oil, if that is what you are saying. It was about destabilizing the middle east for the sake of Israel and trying to have a puppet terrorist organization to harm those we don't like in the ME.

Good point. I understand what you are saying, but shouldn't we just cut our loss and move on? I think of it this way if foreigners were invading the US we the people would be okay with it by any means. Most of us would go on the defense and rightfully so to protect our family, friends,assets, etc. This would cause many groups within the US to act out violently and probably be broadcast as propaganda in other countries.

Understand I am just weighing it out here, and considering the factors.

I think about North Korea, Cuba, China, and Russia all have oppressed their people but we are not defending and liberating them or delving in their national affairs deeply.

>Why would he want to bomb the shit out of ISIS if that really was the case?

But how do you bomb groups throughout the middle east and world that are decentralized?

Of course just dont than say youll vote hilary because shes 10 times worse

you could start by stating a grievance with empirical data to back it up you fucking shill

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I'm impressed people unironically support him kek

If Trump would actually have some adequate way of putting things he would, not only poll better but bring his message across, to people that aren't rednecks.

>Good point. I understand what you are saying, but shouldn't we just cut our loss and move on?

No because other agents have already taken advantage and control over ISIS and will use them against us. Most of the central figures to ISIS were members of Saddam's Red Guard, another mistake of Iraq, that left them with men, ammo, training and region rich for plunder. Imagine the British sailors who became pirates after being decommissioned from the military.

>I think of it this way if foreigners were invading the US we the people would be okay with it by any means. Most of us would go on the defense and rightfully so to protect our family, friends,assets, etc. This would cause many groups within the US to act out violently and probably be broadcast as propaganda in other countries.
Many of ISIS are foreigners who displace local residents and aren't really natives. We aren't attacking local populations. We are attacking the ME version of the Huns. They cause far more issues for the local populace and mostly operate based off of fear of being killed. One common tactic is to threaten a local to suicide bomb at the threat of killing his family. If someone in a foreign country bombed or killed the Cartel members killing Americans I would only be slightly bothered.

>I think about North Korea, Cuba, China, and Russia all have oppressed their people but we are not defending and liberating them or delving in their national affairs deeply.

None of those countries are really the vicious barbarians ISIS are. Not only that, they are centralized or more effectively fought on an economic scale rather than a military scale.

>But how do you bomb groups throughout the middle east and world that are decentralized?

You can use intelligence and undercover agents (locals and your own) to pin them down. Not only that, by taking away their sources of finance such as control of Iraqi oil fields, you pin them to a fate of irrelevance.

Speak out your concerns but don't speak it in an aggressive or sarcastic tone that is commonly used in the political rhetoric.

Well, theory is that we can all take each other seriously, no matter the culture, race, religion, or the size of our dicks, if we talk calm, reasonably, and rationally. But the world we now live in, prohibit such intelligent talk, and we strike each other down as demonspawns.

So my answer to you is "No way, if you can't get to this box, find another box to hug."

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Is there a way to express genuine support for Donald Trump, if you do, irl without being labeled a racist/bigot/homophobe?

See what I did there?

He's a meme candidate. So no.

Sure, I think that's reasonable.

Have you? Every democrat I know was a Bernie burnout.

god damn i want that right now

Look, CTR (Correct The Record) do exactly just that. CORRECTING THE ALREADY INCORRECT RECORD. Using... FACTS!

A whole lot of buttmad Trumpers complaining about this, thought I would just correct the record.

Nice analysis! I agree

Thank-you so very much for your answers. This makes more sense now.

Well said, well said... All I have to comment!

Thank-you so very much for your answers. This makes more sense now.

Like most political groups Sup Forums doesn't like ideas that's not echo chamber shit.

It's like going to a feminist forum and try to convince them that men don't spent all waking hours plotting their next rape.

Sure, I think that's reasonable.

Please tell the rest of the internet.
Until then we'll say whatever we want here.
Thanks.

Never thought of it that way... Thanks for the comment

I don't think he is going to be great. He WILL be better than Hillary by an immeasurable margin an that is the basis of my support

Wow, you completely changed my mind! Thanks

>Hey look at me guys, Im so non-partisan! Please tell me how enlightened I am!

I disagree with Trump on torture

Very very good observation!

>guys I'm having trouble shilling can you give me advice?

It's not about persuading, it's about demoralizing a very motivated base. This is one of the most active pro-Trump boards on the internet.

For example they posted an article today about Trump polling 4th behind Stein and Johnson written on the washington post site. If you actually looked at the source material the Washington Post GOT IT WRONG.

They intend to disrupt, distract and demotivate. They know they aren't going to convert anyone here.

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Serious question: do Sup Forums people actually think ctr people would bother trying to convert them? The real ctr is like 100% on reddit.

Trump is the closest thing to a nazi-friendly presidency that most of these Sup Forums people will see in their lifetimes and anyone with 2 brain cells left knows that nothing is going to change their mind about him. Everyone posting anti-Trump stuff is just trolling you, period.

>individual thinking and actually discussing ideas is a bad thing
stay pleb

No.

This is a war for the survival of the white race.

You have to swallow your concerns, and let him do whatever he wants.

We call him "God Emperor" for a reason.

You're not electing a President, you're appointing a King. Trump will be the last president. America is about to be come a hereditary despotism.

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Fuck yeah!

No problem. I can understand the confusion and you seemed genuine in your requests.

I don't think Trump can win. His numbers will probably recover from their current slump, but even if they do, the Democrats will just drag someone else out to bait him, he'll say something stupid, and his support will drop again. I wish this wasn't the case, I really do, but he does it so reliably. I guarantee they have a whole army of people like the Khans, they just need to give them a stage and let Trump's ego handle the rest. All the Democrats have to do is drag out some other minority to criticize him personally 1-2 weeks before the election to secure their victory.

Even if he stopped doing it now (and maybe he has finally caught on to this tactic), I don't know if he has enough time left to show people he can behave any better. He needed to stop doing this in May after he had the nomination secured.

Not retyping. Why wouldn't they?

>tfw CTR is so out of ideas that they're asking us for advice

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Thanks for Correcting The Record™

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I don't think I've ever seen samefagging of this magnitude.

Trump isn't perfect but any thinking person should be able to realize that he's the last real option the west has against the forces that are conspiring to destroy it, outside of armed revolution.

There's a chance he doesn't deliver, even if he wins, but Hillary is literally the devil.

Post sources. Start threads with actual content in the OP and not just "X BTFO" or "HOW WILL X EVER RECOVER"

If you want a Hillary/Johnson thread, make a general instead of making a new "HILLARY/JOHNSON 2016 SUCK IT UP DRUMFKINS" thread every time yours 404's. It helps if there's an ongoing rally or press conference.

You can't expect no criticism, since Sup Forums mostly supports Trump, but if you want to voice concerns, you'll at least be taken seriously if you do the above.

Sup Forums always think everyone is after them. They take every bait claiming FBI/NSA have special programs targeted at Sup Forums. So yes I think large parts of Sup Forums actually think that ctr is targeting them. They can't really see a reality where they're even less relevant than stormfront.

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