JSA Storytime: JLI

Good evening owls of Sup Forums,

Trade #3

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(because I have to, I'm just gonna leave this right here)

tee hee

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Is this porn I'm seeing?

definitely lewd

So apparently there are more Marvel Nower titles coming, which we all should've known since the list in the preview catalog + x men titles are only like 60-70 of them or something
bleh

this is a BLUE board

everyone on twitter has decided it's a different sex act, but the uniform reaction was, well

Lieber was drawing best girl today (spoilered for size)

People, especially in Sup Forums, call a lot of things "memes".
You know, "meme show", "meme character", and the like.
I genuinely think Trump is a meme presidential candidate. All of his talking points are the kinds of things you can fit in a tweet, and he does shit like this.

looking forward to the "at least you threw us a bone" disdain for the America book they all want so badly

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You read that Spunky Todd Storytime, OP?

j-just for fun, or...

shit, I'd buy that when it's done

Every time I think we've exhausted the possibilities they go new uncharted areas of WTF

I haven't been on today

Yeah I think America will be getting a book this time around if those teasers meant anything
Curious to who they'd put on it

>these descriptions

HI NATE

Clintons having a rally at a pokestop, I don't know what could surprise me now

I think just for fun, nice to dream though

It's Jeremy Whitley's dream book and he's mentioned as an as-yet-unannounced project. I think maybe Leth has as well?

Someone storytimed the first Bendis book.

> Leialoha and Templeton
Even the filli-ins are good

pic related for example

I hope Ewing. He only has 2 books right now. That or they relaunch New Avengers.

the ComicsAlliance Marvel Nower! roundtable got the usual "can we have some people who are actually looking forward to anything talk about the books?" comments

I also had a good laugh at Wheeler for his "If these were Young Avengers spinoffs clearly they would all be good and in different tones and styles. But since they're Deadpool and I'm not reading that book, clearly they are all just the same 'dude with guns' thing."

>Does this look like the face of mercy to you?

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(I mean, no shit, if you're not reading a book you won't have any idea what the hook for each character is.)

>the ComicsAlliance Marvel Nower! roundtable got the usual "can we have some people who are actually looking forward to anything talk about the books?" comments
I still can't believe the level of salt from their Rebirth roundtable

I'm getting that nice schadenfreude feel from them being pissy at DC AND Marvel

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now this is something that's been bugging me:

comicsalliance.com/sunspot-new-avengers-whitewashing/

Bendis' humble beginnings:

>for size
A little too BIG for you, user?

L-RON INCOMING

Still remember that dude's post-Brexit "Faiza Hussein MUST be Captain Britain" article.

unf

It's Unicron!

It is really weird to read the early issues of New Mutants where he actually looks part black. I'm not sure if whitewashing is the correct term when it's more "Brazilians are hispanic right? So I'll draw a hispanic." It's more...homogenization?

'must' is pure rhetoric, but they seem disinclined to do more UK after Rev War

where's that fucking Death's Head II book, yes

Why? It's not like Captain Britian is in any books NOW.

I don't know that it's as new as that article implies either.

Brazil definitely has its own categories (which people in the comments get into) but he's also probably colored too light 90% of the time.

it's not, it's a long-running issue

So he could vent and take a position.

No man, I'd say it's been ongoing since the 80's.

that Barda is borderline lewd

>Leth
NOOOOOOO

Tell me he doesn't ship them

Has Dmitri been in anything since this? Oh god he's going to die, isn't he?

the bantz

Did you read the tweets? Of course he ships them.

DOUBLE UNF

Comicsalliance harps on about diversity, tell me how diverse their employees are.

I'll never understand why a coloring problem is worth an entire article.
Then again, I'm a white male and my favorite character is Adam Warlock (who, if you'll remember is artificial and is born with golden skin, so he doesn't exactly have a race).

If she gets a book, I hope every issue has a panel where she tries to get into Kate's pants, just so she can respond "Not happening, I'm still straight."

He wrote the Secret Love bit with them hooked up, IIRC

That raises a topic for the night: superheroes who are allowed to be shown as kind of shitty at relationships but still framed as our protagonists. I'll start by putting forth Ray Palmer and Jean Loring's divorce.

It gets pretty irksome when you notice it enough places. Ron Wimberly had a comic he did about it.

Here's a fun recent interview with J.M. DeMatteis

dcinthe80s.blogspot.ca/2016/07/mark-belkin-interviews-jm-dematteis-for.html

> There was talk that Brave and the Bold would segue into a Justice League International TV series, but it never happened, which is too bad. I would pay them to let me write that. Well, almost!

I actually never thought of shitting on them for that.

Then again, I don't often think of shitting on things for lack of diversity.

Lots of queer people there, at least. Mostly white though IIRC.

>That raises a topic for the night: superheroes who are allowed to be shown as kind of shitty at relationships but still framed as our protagonists
To be honest if you're going to shoot for Miss America/Kate Bishop pairing this is kind of what I want from it, in the context it's been framed in so far. Shit ain't healthy.

beep boop that's racist

I think the hook up might well be inevitable user, lot of up-and-coming writers are for it. The JHand of Ike might decide it.

>That raises a topic for the night: superheroes who are allowed to be shown as kind of shitty at relationships but still framed as our protagonists. I'll start by putting forth Ray Palmer and Jean Loring's divorce.
Ollie and Hal both come to mind

Define "shitty at relationships".

>I'll never understand why a coloring problem is worth an entire article.

Sunspot is half black and when he first showed up his dark skin was something that was used to pick on him before his powers manifested. It's important to his character and over the years he's become lighter and lighter

Clearly the solar energy is turning him into some kind of fire elemental

>superheroes who are allowed to be shown as kind of shitty at relationships but still framed as our protagonists

Wally West

That would be compelling but it's certainly not what the people who want the book so very badly want, they seem to want one-sided asskicking combined with curtains fic

the CA stuff that bugs me is where some of the Oldfans there with legit knowledge of material filter everything for the Newfans so the latter don't have to form their own opinions, e.g. that "I hated Johns GL: R" article.

Well that's something.

The hypocritical racism of the sjw movement floors me. "He has light skin so he can't be 'black.'" Because skin color is what determines who you are as a person, your culture, your personal values, and everything else that matters, right?

Hasn't Roberto always been treated as more Latino than black anyway?

But his power literally turns him black, so logically speaking it should be making him darker. Also, hasn't he lost his powers?

>they seem to want one-sided asskicking combined with curtains fic
Which was Angela, right? Maybe they'll get Bennett for it.

Who read Kelly's JLA here? I never read it because only runs recommended are Morrison/Waid. I'm at Obsidian Age and so far it's better than Waid's. Also Kelly should really write Plastic Man.

People have forgotten the pre-Waid Wally stuff where he's terrible at relationships.

Consequences are shown in a relationship that stem directly from a character's choices and actions, rather than being off-loaded onto the other person to keep the MC blameless

that's a great example. Wally's an awful boyfriend.

Maybe they were worried people would take black fire as an endorsement of Miguel Serrano's mystic Aryan views in South America.

>the CA stuff that bugs me is where some of the Oldfans there with legit knowledge of material filter everything for the Newfans so the latter don't have to form their own opinions, e.g. that "I hated Johns GL: R" article.
man that article still pisses me off

it reminds me of that one weird article about Wolverine, I don't think it was a CA article but I can't stand those "I didn't like thing and here is why nobody else should like thing" articles

>more Latino than black anyway?
Black Latinos are a thing. Culturally he's Brazillian, but growing up the other kids at school always reminded him of how black eh was

Skin tone can be a HUGE thing in some Latin American countries, sometimes it's the cause of ethnic purging

Pretty queer, also one of the few comic sites I could think of that regularly has Native critic input.

Yeah, and it's like, colorists, this is part of your job. Editors, this is part of your job. This isn't just criticism, this is you guys fucking up at the basics.

Does Kyle Rayner count? And Constantine has to, right?

>>Hasn't Roberto always been treated as more Latino than black anyway?
His very first appearance has him getting in a fight because a kid called him subhuman for being black.

Obsidian Age is one of the best JLA stories, I think. I haven't read much more of Kelly's run but I imagine it's equally great.

Waid and Hitch's run was a disaster. That arc, I think it was called Jacob's Ladder or something, was just awful.

I think a lot of people flat out haven't read it, so many people say to just start at #62

I think many of those who loved Angela did love it as unproblematic wish-fulfillment written by someone being so very careful that no toes were stepped on. Happy ending, cute metatextual domesticity, strawman villain.

> I better dump this girl gently, after all I'm the Flash and this is a big deal. I don't want to hurt her, but I'd rather be a free agent and banging whoever I want
> She dumps him first
> She can't do that, I love her!

I love how much of a shitty 20 year old he was immediately Post Crisis

Waaay more bad boyfriends in comics, I think, but Kate Kane is honestly a pretty shitty gf

Not that there's not some room in that in comics; it's very occasionally my bag, but especially in the short runs we get at Marvel, i want a book to do More.

If there's a fandom, they'll give me the curtains fic.

>>that's a great example. Wally's an awful boyfriend.
I think the peak awfulness was when he was planning to break up with that same woman, then when she told him she want to get back with her husband he was all "What! You can't do that!"

>but Kate Kane is honestly a pretty shitty gf
that's a good one, she is pretty shitty at relationships

I think in some cases you're right (like actively making Damian Wayne darker now than he was before is kind of iffy to me), but it's more a consistency thing than anything else. Just generally match the same coloring as the creator. It's not that hard.

I posted Totally Awesome Hulk yesterday and the ending just made me so bummed about the thing in Civil War II. Bendis hasn't killed a character I was especially connected to before so this is my first time getting the hard benising.

I'm there with you OP but we'll get what we'll get it. And if is that wish-fulfillment stuff, it'll be enshrined by that fanbase too.

They 100% went about it the wrong way, but Editorial was right to nix Kate/Maggie marriage.

>Captain Krikk

I really, really wish everything there pretty much wasn't a "mini until promoted to ongoing". It changes how everyone writes, but since they're not really allowed to write one off issues - and very few people can do them anymore anyway - and told to write for the trade, you basically get one arc and hope against hope that Marvel lets you keep going.

Combination standard decompression with the pressure that your book isn't guaranteed jack shit and everyone's scrambling to try and make something that sticks. Some people can do balls to the wall well, like Walker, but some people work much, much better with breathing room.

...And the people who are guaranteed breathing room over there kind of fucking suck at it. Slott, Bendis.

Wally was such a slut before he settled with Linda

we're here for you to vent to, user

Editorial is really not coordinating anything in these events.

hee, a Howard Cosell joke

>Does Kyle Rayner count?
OP said
>rather than being off-loaded onto the other person to keep the MC blameless
Which is literally what happened to Jade.

I kind of enjoy it as a counterpart to the Batgod-even-unto-relationships stuff you sometimes get. Someone who spends 50%+ of their time training, patrols the streets instead of sleeping, gets physically fucked up on the regular and frets over young inexperienced charges would not be a reliable partner. Kate and Bruce are both hot, but nothing like stable.

This. This this this, a thousand times this. You don't get to determine characterization with your fetishes just because of a vocal minority's political agenda. If you're going to do that, you have to earn the right first, like Claremont.

Right, and that's his history. Even if his current appearance is different than what it used to be, he's still got that as part of him. So why does it matter if he's lighter now? Hell, he could undergo a freak skin bleaching from an AIM experiment gone wrong and it wouldn't change what's happened to him before.

>fetishes

The earlier stuff isn't bad though, and it's interesting to see Wally develop. The main people I heard complaining about those issues were powerlevelfags.

Maggie was such a noncharacter

>They 100% went about it the wrong way, but Editorial was right to nix Kate/Maggie marriage.
agreed

for starters, Kate totally sprung that proposal on Maggie out of nowhere, it's a shitty foundation for a relationship