Proper Communism has never been tried

Proper Communism has never been tried.

Prove me wrong.

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Cant prove retards wrong.

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Proper capitalism has never been tried. Prove me wrong.

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You're right, it hasn't.

>communism
>socialism

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"Prove me wrong"
You can't prove the negative, dumbass.

>not knowing socialism and progressivism are less threatening terms used by communist social engineers to sell communism to the retarded public

GTFO summerfag

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Not an Argument.

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Why keep trying if it always ends in the same thing? A bloated state bueacracy with an even bigger wealth disparity than before.

>Did i miss anything?
Yes, a response to the actual question.

Reddit?

If communism fails every time someone tries to apply it,then ''Proper Communism'' will never happen.

>implyng 1917-1958 Soviet Union wasn't socialist at all because "mug gulags"
>implyng Mao's China wasn't socialist
>implyng Revolution is a Dinner party

Trotsfag detected

Well, anyone who has read the "Communist Manifesto" will realize that communism is an anarchistic system in which private property has been abolished, while socialism is government redistribution of wealth. So it is very unlikely that true communism has ever been tried.

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>implying socialism and communism are the same thing

no they're funny as hell

Communism wants you to be a dull drone and an idle fool, so you dont have ideas.

>diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

This confuse reformist socialism and Marxist socialisme.

Marxist socialisme is suppose to be a step to comunism.

I'm hijacking your ass and presenting this based german argument

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why women were originally not allowed to vote. Almost every study ever done on the topic concluded that women disproportionately more often vote for leftist parties. Parties like the ones above, which promote suicidal liberal policies and ideas that are currently destroying the entire western Europe. The majority of socio-political systems we've had throughout history are created spontaneously through social interaction, but democracy isn't one of them, at least not to such an extent. Democracy was designed, originally by ancient Greeks and afterwards "reinvented" by the founders of USA. What's interesting is that in neither of these two societies did women originally have the right to vote. This wasn't due to some oppressive patriarchy as some today may attempt to portray it. Instead, this right was denied to women because the engineers of the system were aware of their tendencies to blatantly ignore facts and instead make ignorant, self-destructive decisions based purely on emotions. There's even a play by Aristophanes called Ecclesiazusae (Assemblywomen) dating from 391 BC, in which women seize political power in Athens and gradually turn it into a communist hellhole. The collapse of the Roman Empire is another great example. Another key point is that not all men had the right to vote either. It was ensured that only those who contribute to society (military service in Greece) and have made a permanent investment in the state (owning a family home in USA) had a political voice.

Cant. you're absolutely correct

Ribbit.

Proper Gommunism can be tried in the real world.

Prove me wrong.

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Instead, voter's rights today are given to everyone by default. In many countries even people in diaspora have the right to vote, and they don't even have to enter the country to do so. Imagine that - someone living on the other side of the planet, who will not in any way be impacted by the results of the election, has a vote which is equally valid as your own. Democracy was never intended to work this way. Not that any of this is relevant anymore. People are finally waking up to the truth. If anything, I should thank miss Merkel and all the aposematic cunts like the one above. In just a few short years they've done more to spread the "far-right" movement then we could in decades. Thank you, and now please - fuck off and die already.
The video in question youtube.com/watch?v=-O8EQFbqu-8

the truth is no place for lesser men. Cucks go find a bicycle and roam around till you get beaten up by a "refugee". and blame yourself for not "getting out of his way enough".. We are sick of hearing about your excuses for their horrid behaviour..

HOW DO "THE PEOPLE" OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IF IT'S DELEGATED FROM A CENTRALIZED SOURCE? THE STATE ALWAYS REMAINS! IF THE PEOPLE OWNED THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, THEY COULD EAT WHENEVER THEY WANT, BUT SUCH HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE.

neither has proper fascism if we are going to be as retarded as you about it. But say that in polite society and all of a sudden your a genocidal racist. Why are people so ready to forget what the communists have done/are doing to their own people?

hysteria has replaced obvious pragmatic reasoning.. they are shouting at the moon yet the moon god allah wants to subjugate all of them.. They don't have any pragmatic reasoning in their bones.. call their bluff and they don't know what to do next.. because they were never asked to do anything useful.

Revolutionary Catalonia which quickly devolved into shit

If Marxism was any good, then this German fuck would have written a clear and specific set of instructions for realizing his vision. All he had was a bunch of foggy ideas that didn't amount to anything, yet somehow dozens of countries bought into it and all ended up abandoning it because of its insanity.

Because it s an utopia ofc it has never been tried

of course it hasn't ever been properly tried, human nature won't allow it.

failure everytime
>this time it will surely work.. because i bring the most incompetent douchebags ever inventend.. don't question me it's gonna be great..

ya think...

And never will.
Because it's impossible.

seize the means of production. do it. now.

If there's another financial crisis I think at least one big country will go commie

brazil gets it.. sorry about the olympic games it really made you look bad i sincerely hope you can sort out the mess..

That's the thing about the truth it just is.. and it might be tiresome for someone to shine the light on it.. but .. it is what it is.. Brazil and olympics not your finest hour.. man.. it's a mess.. but i think you have some pretty key things you need to work out after this... :D so think positive in this regard.. its not as bad as if it isn't good for something! you know where to dig in.. and hopefully brazil will reemerge better for it..

Proper Nationalsocialism has never been tried.

Prove me wrong.

>seize the memes of production
USA

Communist manifesto was exactly as you described. However it was also a pamphlet designed to appeal to semi-literate proles.

Now we probably agree about both the desirability and possibility of communism as a political ideology, but saying Das Kapital wasn't a masterpiece which largely created the political economy as a field of analysis and gave us new tools to examine our social world is full retard.

Of course it was extremely limited (most notably in attempting to apply a binary conceptualization of class) but every lecturer I have had who is worth his salt (ie classic liberals) have had a lot of respect for Marx as an analyst if not a theorist.

yeah probably

Bernie would have beaten Trump in this election - someone more extreme than Bernie can definitely pop up

They got close with hillary user but status k prevented it.. ;) sorry your wish did not include on the santa calendar ;) foreign naitions like saudi arabia (that are running out of oil) didn't suceed in bankrupting the US.. MAGA becamea a thing and they needed to answer on their own ;)

>proper communism
proper fallacy
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You fucking burgers you're so fucking lucky... just watch..

>seize the means of production by voting for the candidate that I said was the establishment

Not how argument's work. You're the one making a statement, now provide evidence.

if it weren't you'd be down in the fucking gutter, talk about threading the needle...

Providence all flags high..

>You can eat pure dog shit and live a happy, healthy life!
>No you can't. You'll die.
>Well it's never been eaten right!

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Are you speaking ill of Stalin, Comrade?

Tell you a little tale about trump.. he was reluctant to run.. like jonah well let's just make it all about jonah so you get it.. jonah was told by the lord.. your nation is about to be destroyed by a foreign army.. i want you jonah to go back and testify..

Now jonah he wasn't the usual cat.. he took the first boat out.. he didn't want any of that shit..

In the middle of the ocean he was intercepted by the fishers of men.. he spent his time in the belly of the whale.. to be spat out to testify to nineveh.. so that nineveh might be spared.. He was reluctant to give his testimony to nineveh but he gave his testimony to nineveh and nineveh was spared.. and they were not destroyed..

ninieveh in cuniform means house of a fish.. (elohim are fishers of men. jesus as per their tradition.. come before me and i will make you fishers of men) ninieveh is also part of what you know as iraq today.. What did trump say, don't go into iraq.. it's going to be bad.. don't go into nineveh.. don't be like nineveh..

what does trump say "i'm a messenger"

You're right. Assuming your "proper communism" to could be the teachings of Marx, that would require global, borderless communism. That will never happen. Even then, there would still be people who fuck it up.

It will never work. Stop trying.

>To could be
Would be. Excuse my typo.

he knows like jonah that things were bad, he's been talking about running for a long time.. things turned bad he tried to run from what he needed to do.. too bad.. he had no choice.. he had to testify to "nineveh" that unless they turn it around right now they are going to be destroyed..

and it's true.. the US will be no more unless this is turned around, trump is not the guy you thought you knew he is improved.. for the sake of the nation he testifies towards. (the US). He's better improved.. and knows what he needs to do.

He's not perfect but he is procured by the fishers of men and the people asked him come with me.. but what fish.. behold i will make you fishers of men.. (elohim fishers of the kingdom)

Just keep that in mind when he says "i'm a messenger" ;) and that he's doing a good job as a messenger but the message is you..

like when jonah he didn't want to go testify to nineneveh.. god made it very clear to him.. sorry you have no choice.. "why me" i'm a imperfect man, but perfect for the task.. In a way he has prepared for this his entire life without knowing it.. its beautiful when you think about it.

It has been tried many fucking times, each time fucking up on the same way than before, but worse.
>proletarians gather around a party that promises to liberate them from bourgoise oppression
>bourgoise is overthrown
>proltarians now have to engage in "dictadorship of the proletariat" according to Marx' theory
>This dictatorship will then continue to further oppress the people

That's how it's doomed to happen over and over again. And this does not even include the massive economic failure that is planned economy.

because you have to go and testify to nineveh so that it may be SAVED...

Proper Communism can't exist due to limited resources, so, yeah, it will never be tried and it will never work.

>No true comrade fallacy

You aren't wrong, in that proper communism cannot be tried with humans. Humans are greedy by default, and communism assumes total altruism in the leadership.

>hurr we need big transitional government that is expected to disband itself for a stateless world communism society
>hey guys true communism has never been tried my jewish sociology professor says it's a good idea

He's got the inside track he's succesfull business man, he's got the inside track he even says himself that he testifies against himself, he knows the career politicians are all bought and paid for and by whom.. all the rest of it.. He's a man in a position where he knows it's all or nothing..

the reason it has never been tried is because it is impossible to achieve without violent coercion. it relies on every single citizen being complicit or risk being murdered. it's a fantasy. Marx was never writing a how to book; he was simply writing a critique of capitalism. you morons took it too far.

Nor do we have the technology needed to achieve Star-Trek level communism.

social control of the means of production vs. communal control of the means of production

wowee what a huge fucking difference.

I agree, and it's due to the fact that it's implementing a system that's only manageable on an utterly small, interpersonal level and imposing it on an extremely large scale making it in its "purest form" as strong as watery paper pulp in terms of enforcement and stability always leading any nations attempting to implement it to get stuck in the "large government" stage which is meant to set the stage for "pure communism."

I don't understand why you lefties can't stop eating paste for a moment and use logic to see this.

star trek level communism
>post scarcity construct where you assume 80% of the world (that don't do shit but bad currently) somehow evens out.. it's a piedream except under proper leadership..

It's nice to go post scarcity without the scars of truth that is dealing with africans, dealing with arabs and middle east dealing with all kinds of other shit.. the veil that has beein pulled over your eyes.. by wellmeaning people wanting to shield people from the actual horror that is geopolitics when you are dealing with high iq tribe negotiating with a bunch of total assholes that you have to take care of their violations constantly and call it the new normal.. and slobber at the beat of the common drum..

because we can't bring ourselves to say.. if you can't be a human being fuck off till you learn that trait.. And even if we did.. would they even understand what we meant..

Isnt true communism only truly work on a global level?

Also doesnt take X variable into account, people get greedy, a powerhungry.

like an user said before, in the process of implementing true communism, it always gets "stuck" in the big government state because they have to violently coerce people to fall in line. communism calls for the big state to eventually dissolve itself, but it is no surprise to anyone with a brain that that stage of the transformation never happens.

Don't feel sorry lol
I don't expect anything to be good anyway.

we are a society that wear our shapes of disguises.. to hide the actual world which is a mangnanamous degradation by degredation.. and the people coming in hi how you doing aren't you smart.. a fucking liability a desconstructive meassure representing their own decline till we wake up and say ENOUGH of you.. should we really not stop pretending that we are making a difference in a black hole.. till the black hole itself starts to make a difference to the point where we recognize it..

>i don't expect anything to be good anyways
That's not what i wanted but facts are hard medicine.. I really think it's a PR disaster for brazil i know it has cost you a LOT.. and it's so sad to see the whole world watching whilst this is going on.. but i guess in a way brutal honesty is when everyone else is watching.. but don't give up.. don't ever give up.. it can be better ofcourse it can.

Nah, the olympics didn't cost alot, it was 40 billions for a State that earns more than 2 trillions each year.

The strenght is always to figure out the flaws because they will surely be pointed out inevatibly.. and to be respected again.. people have all kinds of flaws even those who think they are saintly.. the power is what to do when you are laid down low.. do you rise up or do you surrender, and i would submit to you that surrender is not an option and only for the faint hearted.. If you are crushed you build yourself up, and wonder if you are crushed for a good reason you find out why and you remedy that instead of feeling pityful about yourself..

always always always self responsibility if the shit doesn't work.. never blame anyone else.. it's a fools errand to do so.. and even if it is others fault.. you will change nothing by not doing anything yourself..

this is what some don't get.. and why they don't improve.. in a parallel with others.. but it's never too late..

in monkey's money, not dollar

Same endgame
total control

So in that way he should be viewed like contemporary psychology views Freud.

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>Socialism
>Not a means to Communism

Pretty much.

full circle.

Because every every slightly socialistic government has gone full commie right?

This is bait.

no, but socialism is the unavoidable road to true communism.

I agree with you, I would have made the same argument.

the Ouroboros the serpent that bites its own tail.. breaking that cycle WOAH.. only with someone who knows what they're doing and careful to step where angels fear to tread.. but the path of our contemplation is fairly straightforward..

where did we go where did we do wrong.. same as it ever was..

communism correctly applied is at best as good as a diluted capitalism because of lack of competition on free market.

I'm familiar with the mystical creature, but are you referring to me? I thought you were saying "full circle" as if I was unconvinced prior to the argument you made, but this is not true.

>falling for the marx jew.

it's not a creature its a symbol of going in circles till we understand our ways as being unproductive and only intensifying our ailment.. Only when you accept your predicament are you able to negotiate a path out of it..