>The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of allegiance to the Flag of the United States and the republic of the United States of America
>It is commonly recited in school at the beginning of every school day
Is this true Sup Forums?
Why are americans doing this? Pretty nice though, we used to do something similar back in the 30s
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They stopped around 2000
This.
It became "optional"
>16 years later....
Teacher here
We do this every morning in my homeroom without fail as they do it over the loudspeaker
Teachers talk and say how they don't mind if kids sit down (then they talk about it being anti-Communist propaganda) but I always force everyone in my room to stand up and be respectful
it's left over from the fifties, when we made first graders prove that they weren't commie pinkos
Really? After something like 9/11? Why?
Don't you think it's useless if it's not genuine? They should be the ones actually wanting to do that
if you force them they'll just see it as something imposed, therefore potentially bad
Only in grade school- obviously we don't do it in college. I'm honestly surprised that Europeans don't do something like this; how else do you expect to instill national pride and a sense of civic duty in children? If you don't do that, they'll start scraping national flag bumper stickers off people's cars and other douchey leftist activities. Without instilling civic values your children take no interest in maintaining your way of life and the values your country is founded upon.
It keeps us from having a porn star in our government who has no merit in politics whatsoever.
Italy had a porn star who made material even while in office and gave speeches with her tits hanging out, because Italian government is a joke and anyone can join.
I'm 21 and we stopped doing it after grade school, I can barely remember the first two lines
yes it's useless and it seems like a chore you stop saying it by the time you even begin to really understand what it means desu
Not because of 9/11. Some edgy fag got the ACLU to sue a school or something so all the schools stopped.
I did the pledge in grade school. Seemed normal at the time, but now it seems like some eerie Best Korea shit. Glad they got rid of it.
It's also very old and written in archaic English. I bet most people can't even explain what it means, least of all the rednecks who fetishize it.
Graduated from high school a year ago. We had the announcement everyday 2nd period since they didn't want to interrupt any sports/band 1st period. I stopped saying it ninth grade reasoning that I had said for eight years of my life the flag doesn't need anymore reassurance I'm loyal to this country.
Just got out of a public high school we did it every morning
It varies from school to school, even within the same district.
I'm 29. We did it every day through elementary school, and we no longer did it from middle school onward.
And there was the line "one nation, under God" in it. I don't know if they still have "under God" in it these days.
I'm pretty sure that's literally illegal.
No I don't think so
And my kids can tell I take it seriously and they like me so by default they show respect when they do the pledge
Also I enjoy the mention of God in the pledge as a direct jab against militant atheist fedora tippers
Love God
Love Country
Ive also noticed that my kids seem to be very pro MURIKAH
Kids are very contrarian but if they genuinely like and respect you they will take into account the things you care about
>literally
Kill yourself
>I'm honestly surprised that Europeans don't do something like this
>how else do you expect to instill national pride
We have history man
We look at our ancestors and we usually find something glorious
I look at the past and I see Dante, Da Vinci, Constantine the Great, Caesar, Galileo Galilei, Augustus. I look back and I see the Roman Empire and Renaissance
Le Pierre looks at the past and sees the French Revolution and how it changed european society, he sees Napoleon, Joan of Arc, Voltaire and Verne.
Pedro looks back and sees the Spanish Empire, Dali, Picasso; Hofmann looks at his past and sees the Holy Roman Empire and the other Reiche
Europeans don't need childhood indoctrination, people usually realize they're legitimately proud of their heritage when they're old
But they don't admit it with other countrymen
And then there's the last decade, with al the cuckness and beyond
Sure, actual patriotism was pretty much dead even before, but that's basically because people didn't want another "1920-50" kind of situation
I guess it was nice for us, we were with the Reich
But the rest of Europe (except Spain and a few exceptions) got pretty much fucked, and they didn't want to get there again
Europoors basically stopped being patriotic because we're too god at it, and when we do it, someone gets usually fucked in the ass sooner or later
If you want to talk about us, italians stopped being patriotic because it's pretty much what you wanted after the war, USA
Whats illegal? Telling kids to stand up? I do it all the time. Im not going to send you to the principal or give you a lunch detention. And they mostly don't stand up because they are half asleep or talking to a neighbor. The pledge is meaningless babble to 90% of them
If some kid complains to their parents Ill probably get called to the office and get a slap on the wrist
No one is going to fire me over that
>that religious/conservative teacher that assumes all his kids like him
your students hate you. they fake laugh at your jokes because they know your petty ass will lecture them otherwise
they'll barely remember you later on in their teenage years
>remember that douchey 5th grade teacher that made us stand up for the pledge
>lol yeah fagget wouldn't shut up about god and shit
Yes, we are lucky that none of our politicians are jokes
Stay mad
Berlusconi was fucking awesome.
Loved the amount of butthurt he managed to generate from the leftists.
>not starting ever class with the pledge of allegiance, the start spangled banner, and the preamble
Well you all seem to be getting patriotic again all of a sudden this year, and I'm very happy about it.
Don't take any shit from people who talk down about your own history.
You're literally descended from the conquerors of the world. That's something to be proud of.
>the preamble
Every homeroom in the building says the pledge every single morning and no one has autistic fits about it or feels they are being oppressed
Its just a quaint American tradition
If you don't say the pledge no one is going to force you to do it or get you in any trouble because no one cares
The least you could do though is stand up for 5 seconds and recognize you live in a somewhat decent country
Americans are loyal to their country.
We swear allegiance to the Republic and what the flag stands for.
I graduated highschool a year ago, we are still doing it and it will most likely never end until the United States no longer exist.
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>I force my students to say the pledge
>The principal plays the pledge over the loudspeaker every morning before classes start every single day of the year
Theres also a thing you don't understand called classroom management. If you go slack on rules and expectations kids will run wild on you. No one gives a shit about the pledge we just want orderly rooms that don't descend into chaos.
The actual pledge was around and more common before that, though. The 50s they added in stuff like "under god" and tried hard to make it compulsory to fight the commie bastards
The only difference with sandniggers, shitskins, dindus and so on is that we ACTUALLY have shit to be proud of
This makes us really dangerous when patriotism is used as a political device
Don't get me wrong; I logically think there's actually nothing to be proud of. Congrats, my dad had sex with my mom in a city that was built by Caesar, so what
I don't understand this whole thing, I can't even be proud of my brother's successes, let alone some ancestor's; I'm only, personally proud of things I actually did myself, my own accomplishments
Sure I'm happy I'm descend from such a rich culture, and I feel satisfied at the idea that we basically built this world
I think we have probably the greatest culture on earth, and I'm actually happy I was born here
But this whole pride thing, I don't really get it
They still did it when I went to school a few years ago. Nothing wrong with a little patriotism.
Swallowing shit from the higher ups instead of building rapport and empathy with your students isn't classroom management. Please stop teaching immediately.
kek you literally just parroted the smuggie
>t. Wageslave who got caught on his phone at work
I think people have a right to be proud of their nation and culture
If you can point back to generations of your family and their accomplishments your ancestors have positively contributed to the success of your nation…which is just a collection of families
Nationalism doesn't really make sense for a recent immigrant but if it inspires a new immigrant to want to do great things that are valued by their new nation/culture how is that not a positive?
Following orders from your boss is how you keep your job
Every sane person does this
The pledge is a quaint American tradition and a relic of the cold war. It has no meaning for 95% of kids and it takes one minute to say. Saying the pledge is the biggest non issue in education today.
Yep, along with God being removed was the downfall of modern America
>yes it's useless and it seems like a chore you stop saying it by the time you even begin to really understand what it means desu
Fuck off socialist liberal scum
t. sadistic pedophile forcing sports culture on America to dumb them down.
I pledge my allegiance to flag of the United State of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, One nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
I pledge my allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under god, one and indivisible.
every day since 1st grade
You need to TEACH kids to be patriots. That's part of what is supposed to happen in a government run school.
I'm a cub scout leader. We open every meeting with the pledge.
Our kids go to a church thing on Wednesday nights called "AWANA", where they learn bible verses, play games, etc.
That ALSO starts with the pledge, every single time, first thing.
I remember I felt weird a while back saying the pledge, because I was thinking about all of the things I don't like about the USA currently, and I was thinking about how if there was a coup attempts or a secession or something, I'd want it to succeed (assuming it was for right-wing reasons)
But patriotism is a critical part of life, and it transcends allegiance to a particular form of government.
And, USA is still the best place in the world for people to be free, successful, etc. You can still get rich here if you are awesome, and with richness comes the ability to own guns, homeschool your kids, move away from cities, etc. You can mostly avoid the things in the US that have become degenerate.
In the US, it's still legal for your pastor to say that homosexuality is sinful; that's not true in much of the world.
American kids should be taught to be proud of and loyal to the ideals of the nation that they've inherited, even if the nation they have inherited isn't quite as good as it ought to be.
When they are older, they can have a meaningful discussion about the problem areas with the US.
I thought it was
>I pledge allegiance to the flag
Otherwise spot on, no real American would ever forget the pledge.
Nationalism comes from proper western education, ie reading things like The Peloponnesian War. Your shallow rituals only sere the authority figures of the school, and dilute true nationalism.
People are rebelling against nationalism because (((nationalism))) in the modern sense means enslaving yourself to the Jew to please your christian rulers, whilst striving to become the most robotic sports obsessed peasant in the "school" facility.
My school doesn't do it anymore for fear of "offending" people
What, where?
I think the biggest problem today is that history curriculums are generally shit across the country
You barely learn anything about Western Civilization (Greece/Rome) and then anything you learn about America is telling you who bad we once were
I was kicked out of the cub scouts because my father spanked a kid who wouldn't stop cheating during sports. No one else stood up to call this kid out. You're just shallow crypto-pedophiles like the rest of the "education" system.
Patriotism means a hell of a lot more than your 1min slavish ritual, you fucking pleb.
Greece and Rome started more so in high school for me.
Early education was more so about colonialism/exploration, the US and westward expansion(Arizonans) we even had people bring in muzzle loaders and six shooters all the time. Old LARPing pioneers were regulars.
It was always a woman teacher and it was always "look at this kids, they/we fucked shit up. We're awesome, dog bless."
much of the scouting experience depends on the local troop.
cub scouts starts at 7 years old. I think you severely overestimate the attention span of modern 7 year olds.
The pledge is the STARTING point of patriotism. Ritual and routine are important for young people, and for re-inforcing that something is important.
I think Heinlein did some of the best writing on Patriotism:
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The problem with the Pledge of Allegiance in schools is that literally nobody other than me understands how modern kids work. Once they hit puberty, they'll do the opposite of what they've been taught up to that point, and then they'll be fucked for the rest of their lives. You see photos and films of the Cold War, with nicely-dressed little kids pledging their allegiance to our nation, but what's never shown is when the kids hit 13-years-old and become America-hating liberals for the rest of their lives because they think it's cool to rebel.
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Which is why you need very strict parents and a religious guilt trip to keep them in line
But seeing how thats basically impossible to get today we should just force overt liberalism in the schools to the point where kids get so sick of it and turn into hardcore nationalists
American students used the roman salute until 38 or 39 a believe. Changed it to the hand over heart cause ebil nahtzee meme. That would be surreal to watch.
we do it because we see what good comes of it
I was born in 85, the Cold War was still very fresh to adults growing up.
I had multiple people in my neighborhood who fought in Korea and Vietnam, even family, teachers.
Try not saying the pledge when I would think about Gary, the wheelchair bound infantryman who stepped on a land mine, or Mr. Woodward who lost his brother and fought himself.
Fuck all these commie, little hippy shits. The 60s faggots are disgusting same as these little shits today.
>China second largest economy in the world, soon to become the first
>Represented by stinky man with a stick.
w-wheres australia?
Colorado Substitute Teacher here;
They do it at the middle and high school erry' day
It became optional. We have to go back.
I think a lot of people misrepresent the pledge and patriotism in general. It's not pledging to the government but the idea of America itself. If people don't do it, they won't ponder it. Commie scumbags who hate it can GTFO.
I do not need a tiny Made In China polyester flag from Wal Mart to show that I have respect for civics and the values of the country I live in.
I'm doing it now by writing and speaking freely, and pursuing knowledge freely without any repercussions, regardless of the ideas and viewpoints being espoused with such expressions of speech.
I also don't need to stand and recite the pledge to show loyalty to my country. My countries virtues is that any feelings, including ones of loyalty, should not be compelled by any state or government, and should only be given voluntarily. Besides, the pledge of allegiance was written and started by a socialist anyway, the exact kind of people Sup Forums hates, so why are you telling me I have to do this bullshit?
in texas we say the national and state pledge still.
Oh come on man. Don't you ever sometimes get the urge to say to people on the Internet or on the street something like: "WELL, WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIEET"
In Kindergarten we were forced to stand up to and pledge allegiance to the US. Thankfully in HS our teachers made us watch RT videos so from the age of 13 we start hating the US again for their atrocities.
WATCHA SAYIN' BRUH
WE STILL ROMANS N SHIEET
What a heap of sentimental shit. You're actually against everything your veteran neighbours fought for, whether you or they realize it.
They killed and risk their lives with the idea that they were defending the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies foreign and domestic. One of the clauses of the constitution is that there shall be no law abridging the freedom of the press, the respecting of an establishment of religion, and of course the freedom of speech.
Much as I dislike Islam, and regardless how offensive you find flag-burning, they are protected and guarded by the amendment,. Trying to force people to say the Pledge of Allegiance either directly or indirectly, is like trying to enforce and establish the religion of "America", not unlike Robespierre Cult of the Supreme Being, where the state itself is the religion. It violates the 1st amendment in every form conceivable. If you or your neighbours took offense to the above listed, and are willing to use violence against the above, I hate to say this, and god bless them, but they're hypocrites and they seem to have fought for the wrong cause.
Why I believe that Islam is a completely incompatible ideology with Western values, and that there are ways to keep the actions of some of their fundamental believers in check, it would be against our own virtue to ban wholesale the practice of religion.
we do this in every school (until college) every monday in the morning
pay denbts
nope, they are still doing it.
Was/is still done in public schools, was always optional, they cannot force you to recite it, but you had to stand up.
> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>Archaic english
>Can't understand the implication of pledging allegiance the ideals of a nation.
Maybe you should move to Canada.
It not usless. It conects all the ppl in the class regardles of skin or religion.
It binds you all togther to what *was* known as the usa.
Not chiko the ganger tyron the nigger.
To Americans.
You subhuman nazi pos.
It used to be better back in the day too
>pledge allegiance to a country that wants to make me die for isreal and make my son have a sex change so that he can take the bbc just like his sister
yea ok.
hol up *smacks lips* so you be sayin germany use to be white people?
Is still whiter then usa ever will be.
man nigga you be raycis and sheeeiiiit, cracka ass peckawood
Graduated high school in Pennsylvania last year. Said "under god". We did it every day, no one bitched. The edgy emo kids in homeroom would just sit there but thats it.
teaching children national pride is essential to a strong and healthy country. imagine how cucked the u.s would be today if they didn't do that?
How the hell is that illegal?
Kill yourself.
>It is commonly recited in school at the beginning of every school day
my high school only did it on monday and students didn't have to stand up if they didn't want to
I got out of highschool two years ago, we were still doing it.
This is in South Carolina, if that makes any difference.
You "liberty"-arians are what's wrong America. Freedom doesn't mean being a degenerate. America was not only based on the equal rights of the individual but also on God, family and community.
>>Archaic English
It was written in the early 20th century. There is nothing archaic about it.
>libshits trying to meme
>take ours and make worse
STOP APPROPRIATING OUR CULTURE
You're posting something written by a socialist. I think it's safe to assume you don't like socialism very much like 75% of the people on Sup Forums. Hypocrite. Also, define "degenerate". Define what are the rights of God (regardless whether one believes in God or not), and what gives you the authority to speak on God's behalf? Are you the fucking Pope? Or the Grand Mufti? Maybe you're Moses himself?
Define the rights of the community, and tell me, how did you come to believe that you and your beliefs and opinions represent the community? Are you their representative? Your beliefs read more like some Maoist manifesto than anything remotely American.