We don't need to be men, lads
We don't need to be men, lads
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This is the natural result of free resources and low conflict. Don't worry, the impending economic and social collapse will make men manly again. And if not, well, they'll die a slow, painful death. Really a win-win
Even in death his grandfather is getting more activity than he is, because he's rolling in his grave.
And be a beta male cuck instead?
kek no thanks.
Julius Caesar said in his Gallic campaign writings that tribes that were exposed to trade from Rome became "Feminized" by their prosperity and thus were easy to kill.
Shit like this makes my blood boil. He looks like he has more estrogen than testosterone.
Meme this guy into a tranny
>I want to be something I don't need to be
Yep, fullproof
Gosh, if only there were a theory of evolutionary psychology that perfectly explained this phenomenon.
This happens throughout history. Nomadic tribes that win wars and become rich later become weaker as a result of their prosperity.
Shit like that is why I drag my ass to the gym everyday
r/K selection?
>chubby balding self-loathing cuckold wants to drag me down with him
I bet this guy lurks /r9k/
I mean it's not gay if girl does it to you tbhnest
The face of a defeated cuckold.
>boo hoo I don't feel manly because I'm a soft, pathetic cuck
>instead of changing my shitty life, I want everyone else to be as miserable as I am
I intend to instill this into my kids. My parents never valued anything but the word of god according to joe smith for years. Brainwashing is a bitch but hey can't get the tumor out without some extra.
God damn I'm depressed.
Oh boy I can't wait for this faggot to tell me how to be a man.
>However, the last Adult Psychiatric Morbidity in England survey found that 7% of women and 4% of men in the UK had attempted suicide, which Urwin believes indicates another problem: “Some research suggests that men use more violent methods, because in that point of absolute despair, this is a way they can claw back some success. If they fail, it is a humiliation. Of all the ways our masculinity is killing us, there is nothing more harrowing than a man feeling successful if he completes his suicide.”
So let me get this straight
>men committ more suicide
>the reason for this is masculinity
>even when men are the victims, this is the fault of men
>instead of addressing the reasons for male suicide, let's blame it on men
Fucking subhuman scum. Can't wait for the day of the rope.
Is this the same guy who got buttblasted on Sky News because people with conflicting opinions were associating Orlando to radical Islam instead of just vague homophobia the Regressive Left wanted it to be?
Its pretty fucking gay m8. You can naturally feel when something is gay as fuk, dont need to rationalize it
good lord, look at the babby face on that cuck
>Talking shit about my grandfather
Fuck off
I have been thinking about all of this gay as pozzed feminist anti-masculine shit lately and how this sort of thing has only existed in our world for an infinitesimal fraction of our lifetime on this planet. All this nonsense could go instantly in a crisis. Who are these people that think this is some kind of inevitable thing that will never be challenged? It's like they really believe this stuff is the "evolution" of man or whatever. Basically this
Yeah, I think Ive read about Persians constantly dealing with this. They had sedentiary lives and were under constant invasion from the northern nomads. Nomads being naturally hardy people were also hardier warriors but even then the easy life of Persians appealed to them.
The nomads would come, conquer and assimilate themselves in the sedentiary culture. The Persians intended the nomads to defend them from other nomads, but with time the nomads get completely Iranized and the process repeats itself.
Jack sonny boy I'm sorry to tell you, but you're a cuck.
>ETERNAL
My grandfather is a fucking badass, a real man, and a role model for my own manhood. He's brave, strong, noble, compassionate, loving, funny, generous, prudent, measured, and tough as nails. I'll be proud as hell if I ever become half the man he is.
My grandfather traveled the entire world, bringing back treasures, wisdom, and stories. He's survived the kind of storms that sink ships, the Viet Cong, the icy straits of Europe, the scorching deserts of the Middle East, a stroke that would have killed anybody else, and cancer. He's punched out bigger and better men than the soft, fat fuck in that pic. He's lost the ability to walk, speak, write, play the guitar, and wipe his own ass, and re-learned all of it. He stayed strong when he had to bury his own son. He introduced me to the the awesomeness of knives, of coffee, of boxing, of Westerns, of tools and fixing things, and all sorts of manly shit. He built much of the house I'm in right now, he taught me to swim, and he showed me how to get my first car up and running from a pile of crap, and even showed me how to drive in his truck. He's backed me every step of the way, even when I was lost, and even gave me a place to stay after I ran away from home. I'd be a piece of shit if it weren't for him. He's the coolest motherfucker on the planet, and he's humble about it, and he deserves every ounce of respect he gets.
God damn it, it is my fucking GOAL to be the man my grandfather is, and I think the image of masculinity he gave me is GOOD. Fuck this asshole.
Someone screencap his face with "Optimistic about humanity" under it
I get the feeling if I step out of line here and agree with him that everyone would try slice my head off just to prove him wrong.
Where do you have this boner for old people?
Do you feel like the standard of masculinity is an alcoholic coal miner?
>men don't need to be men you guys
>looks miserable
You can't make this shit up.
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>ETERNAL
Maybe he can unlearn to breath and beat his heart as well
No. I feel that the standard of masculinity is strength (as in the strength to do the things that are ACTUALLY hard), nobility, humility, and sheer fucking grit.
The very way that the article is phrased pisses me off. Maybe his grandpa is a piece of shit. I dunno. Probably not; I imagine that this guy's just a fucking nu-male with no perspective and a shitty attitude. But to pretend that every value that our grandparents had is shit by merit of being old is just plain dumb.
And you know what? Some cliche male behavior is fucking awesome.
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Fpbp
Read fate of Empires by John Glubb if any of you guys are interested.
ayy lmao
Your grandfather sounds like my grandfather but without the Parkinson's
>stealing paintings in europe for glorious america
But I wanna!
Good. I'm glad somebody else has a badass granddad.
I fucking love you, Papa.
If anything women should be held to male standards of behavior. Like being expected to do things for yourself, not crying, not being passive aggressive, expecting people to pick up how you're feeling and getting butthurt when they don't, complaining without making an effort to solve the problem, feeling entitled to male assistance, the list goes on.
32 seconds in paint
>everyone has a shitty family just like me
My grandfather was one of the key engineers of a huge plant, and a town was built around it. There's a park in this town bearing his name. Yep, I totaly don't have to be such a good human being, but I would really want to.
The best part about all of this is that no one can deny your true nature for long. You can tell yourself everyday a real man is demure, deferring, gentle, inoffensive. You can tell everyone that a real modern man avoids conflict and doesn't aspire to be strong or fit. But there's always going to be a voice that says otherwise. There's always an impulse. Pathetic failures like this doughy whiner can't convince people to ignore their drive forever. And the feeling of being assertive, being driven to best your superiors, and building your body to be strong instantly replaces this nonsense because it feels incredible.
That doesn't look like the face of an optimistic man.
cuc k detected
My grandparents were pretty cool, fuck this cuck and his cuck bullshit.
/r9k/ hates women. That guy is a textbook numale orbiter
>grandfather left me over a million in a trust fund
>I'm not going to be the person he wanted me to be
IT'S LIVE OR DIE KEKS
Old masculinity would say our only purpose is to work 60 hours a week doing manual labor to feed our multiple children and wife.
But we're approaching an age where STEM is becoming increasingly valuable and theres a need for knowledge and collaboration for the advancement of our species as a whole. Masculinity doesn't really have a whole lot to do with that.
My grandpa was a dust bowl potato nigger who came to California and settled there, growing olives and making wine while also earning a biology ph.D. and publishing academic papers and drought until the day he died having been divorced three times and fathering 9 children from 7 different women under the age of 25.
If I could be a fraction of the man he was, I'd literally be the most alpha of my generation
Ibn Khaldun's dynastic cycle theory. I rather like it because Glubb's whole stages of civilization felt a little lazy with the buzzword of decadence even if he basically argues the same thing.
en.wikipedia.org
>Asabiyya refers to social solidarity with an emphasis on unity, group consciousness and sense of shared purpose, and social cohesion
>Ibn Khaldun argues that each dynasty (or civilization) has within itself the seeds of its own downfall. He explains that ruling houses tend to emerge on the peripheries of great empires and use the much stronger `asabiyya present in those areas to their advantage, in order to bring about a change in leadership. This implies that the new rulers are at first considered "barbarians" by comparison to the old ones. As they establish themselves at the center of their empire, they become increasingly lax, less coordinated, disciplined and watchful, and more concerned with maintaining their new power and lifestyle at the centre of the empire—i.e, their internal cohesion and ties to the original peripheral group, the `asabiyya, dissolves into factionalism and individualism, diminishing their capacity as a political unit. Thus, conditions are created wherein a new dynasty can emerge at the periphery of their control, grow strong, and effect a change in leadership, beginning the cycle anew.
You can take the spirit of his theory and apply it independently of dynasties or nomadic/barbarian invaders and instead just apply it to an age, period, or culture. Germany and France for instance have cycled between periods of high asabiyah (with subsequent high virtues of selflessness, courage, hard work, discipline) and periods of low Asabiyah (with subsequent individualism, hedonism).
Why are these inherently masculine qualities?
I seriously doubt he's advocating "Hey, be a weak little faggot and start sucking black cock," which you people seem to be interpreting as. You instantly shoot to an extreme, when it's very likely that by "toxic masculinity" he means trite notions like men don't being able to express their feelings, which just leads to anger issues and self-destructive behavior.
My grandfather's a great man, but I can still recognize that many of his beliefs have outlived their usefulness.
what i find funny is that this toxic male behavior really is toxic. a false masculinity has been created in the place of real masculinity. and the jews attack that false masculinity. and many people are insecure and take on the false masculinity which is based on drinking and sleeping around and forcing your way through life.
meanwhile real masculinity is nowhere to be found.
>Old masculinity would say our only purpose is to work 60 hours a week doing manual labor to feed our multiple children and wife.
And serve the lord/boss/prince etc. while he's fucking your mum, sister, wife, etc.
The problem starts when the Jews and feminists start defining what is toxic and what is real based on their own goals
You should be all you can be with what you can do.
Live your life. Do not fear failure.
Only if its a feminine strap-on
Someone should cut this faggots balls off and film it.
Are you a moron? Men have been collaborating for knowledge and advancement since the dawn of time.
And if you want a laff, what Khaldun said of Black Africa south of Ghana:
>To the south of this [ghana]..there is a Negro people called Lamlam. They are unbelievers. They brand themselves on the face and temples. The people of Ghanah and Takrur invade their country, capture them, and sell them to merchants who transport them to the Maghrib. There, they constitute the ordinary mass of slaves. Beyond them to the south, there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings.
It's less a boner for old people than a hostility for the kind of extremely narrow-sighted chronological snobbery that is in vogue today. People hold the past in contempt and disdain for no reason other than being in the past, it's a modern day manifestation of that 60s "Don't trust anyone over 30" business - and those hippies didn't stay under 30 forever. Now they are the establishment and the old people they once reviled who are now reviled in turn by our generation. And it's unfortunate that we are repeating the cycle with people not recognizing they are not going to be a spring chicken forever.
He might have some points right but it's poisoned by a clickbait message of arrogant progressive hubris with the idea that ours is the only age and his is the only culture or outlook that matters - that there is nothing to learn or keep alive from the past for no reason other than their morales and values and norms were different or not as 'progressive' as ours.
>only one woman
Wow, sexist much?
Characterizing everybody's grandpa as an alcoholic coal-miner is an extreme.
And they're inherently masculine to me because I learned them exclusively from male role models in my life.
No matter how much you nod respectfully at the feminists, no matter how sad and unthreatening you stare at the camera, no matter how soft and fat you allow your chin and cheeks to become, no matter how much you cry publicly, no matter how much you lisp, no matter how many times you hear "you're like a brother"...
... you can never go back in time and stop all the cheerleaders from fucking the quarterback bro who drove a truck and took no shit.
And he never even beat you up or took your lunch money. He was manly and his life was awesome, and no amount of victim-fantasizing will change history.
Even the alt-right fedoras get more pussy than male feminists.
And yes, I know that whether or not girls fuck a guy doesn't make him a better man. Doesn't matter in this case. I just want him to feel bad because he fails to grasp that gender roles are part of how society lays out a path to success and happiness for its children, and this guy is undermining that.
>mfw imagining these pathetic nu-males existing in one of the many potential upcoming societal collapses
No,I'm proud to say that we have strength in depth when it comes to media faggots.
TURNING HIM INTO A TRANNY
Do you not understand how many alcoholic coal-mining grandfathers existed? That archetype along with having served in WWII is the masculine backbone of American industry, even though we live in a predominantly service economy now.
>They're inherently masculine to me
So you believe everyone else in society should follow the exact same biases as you do when they're derived from your own personal experiences?
That I agree with.
Each time you poop is a dildo sliding out, let the guy enjoy it if he wants to. In certain criteria hes much better off than a lot of people on Sup Forums, he has a gf and is having sex.
my grandaddy was a jap fighter and a cole miner who loved bikes. RIP Old man
>So you believe everyone else in society should follow the exact same biases as you do when they're derived from your own personal experiences?
I don't give a fuck if they consider the virtues masculine or not. My own bias tells me that the letter A is red, based on my own experiences.
I DO give a fuck that they exude those virtues, though, for whatever reason they exude them. And yes, that applies to all of society. Men and women.
Nobody's exuding these virtues.
That's the problem.
how did the original "females" kill these later "females" then?
not saying you're wrong, but it's strange.
>Who wrote this?
>Sian Cain
Jesus Christ lads.
I misinterpreted what exude meant by bad caught up in a conversation. People do exude these virtues, but our elder's aren't perfect either and we're learning from their mistakes.
>Turning him BACK into a tyranny
ftfy
I know our elders aren't perfect.
It's stupid as fuck to reject or accept an idea solely on the basis of its newness or of its being old. That said, I think the pendulum has swung a bit too far towards rejecting the old.
>Changing tires? Moving furniture? Exercising? Yuk! That's toxic masculinity!
>Hey ladies? You know what a real man does? Blog about feminism every single day!
And that's how white men will become extinct. Every other race is cucking you guys. Better step it up.
I don't think that's what he's doing here, and we're realizing that many concepts about masculinity are bunk and dangerous.
Killing other people, for example, is considered masculine.
>old people are acoholic coal miners
>just kidding, my grandfather is great
>but his belifes are also shit
Guess what you faggot, it's not about belifes, it's about actions.
People from all ages had belifes that are outdated today, but no one, except feminist leftist cucks, would argue that their deeds are worth less because of that.
Instead of mimicking your grampa's beliefs, just try to be as good of a person like he was.
And don't be such a faggot like the guy in OP's article.
I have a question, Sup Forums
Can I still be a real man if I bake?
I lift, run, golf, love scotch, have a few guns and make it to the range occasionally.
But goddamn, I love to bake. Bread, danishes, cakes - fucking love it all.
I may be a soft girly-guy, but I don't understand this whole idea of forcing every man to be weak.
Yes, pretty sure bakers were always men historically?
The masculine part of any hobby is striving to do it as best as you can. Men are some of the best chefs and bakers in the world, dude.
plz stop trying to force me into your gender roles
>So you believe everyone else in society should follow the exact same biases as you do when they're derived from your own personal experiences?
You fucking idiot, that is EXACTLY what you're arguing, you filthy piece of shit.
>Every man in the West should be an effeminate useless faggot
>While Russia raises its next generation of thugs and Arabia raises its next generation of jihadis
I better start learning Russian and Arabic if this guy gets his way, I want to be able to understand our future overlords.
Well my grandfather is the same person who'd tell me shit like all you have is your word, but would also be disappointed in me if he found out i was smoking the weed, so yes, many of his beliefs are outdated and shitty, even though the more personal truths are to be acknowledged and respected. It's about not having to endure humiliation for not wanting to be the jocky stud who has to fuck ten chicks in order to ensure that he's the alpha male.
They aren't seeing that their deeds are worth less because of that. It's that what they did is no longer necessary.
Sorry dude but our grandparents still lived in times where it was strange or even outright absurd for a woman to be in any position of authority.
You might as well bake and get really good at it. Its not like women do that worth a shit anymore.
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>toxic masculinity
immediately and forever DROPPED
>Killing other people, for example, is considered masculine.
Maybe in your leftist hugbox.
Defending yourself, your friends and your family is considered manly, and this is a good thing.
Those things sometimes involve the process of killing others. That does not mean that the process of killing is considered manly.
Agreed. Dated girls who couldn't cook for themselves, let alone a family. Fucking depressing.
I don't want people to follow my biases. This is a reaction against having other people's biases imposed on me in the first place.
"Be a man" and all that shit. Fuck off, faggot. I do what I want.
What? Males have always been the aggressive gender. How many dictators are female?
I would consider it noble instead of manly because women are notoriously protective of their children but whatever.
Going on an adventure and conquering some inferior subhuman opponent has always resided in the male domain.
That's not a woman, that's Bill Murray testing his time machine
>how did the original "females" kill these later "females" then?
It was because they got to be prosperous without actually buying in to the values that allowed such prosperity to occur.
Every adventure story, video game, movie, etc., has the man adventuring to fight a WORTHY opponent. You think the idea of fighting a dragon or an against-all-odds battle is strolling in and knocking over some weakling? The entire point of the storyarch, from Beowulf and Gilgamesh to Star Wars is becoming more and overcoming impossible odds.
Nearly every baker worth a shit is male. Women rarely go beyond being pastry chefs, because they don't have to wake up at 3 fucking am and slave away for 12-16 hours a day.
this shit is straight out of a nightmare greentext from years ago. god help the western world