Acts like a realistic teenager with flaws

>Acts like a realistic teenager with flaws

>Gets shit on by critics for it

Why do people hold Disney heroines up to such ridiculous expectations, anyways?

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Because they're women.
Women and minorities are all held to ridiculous expectations.

Maybe because no one likes teenagers?

because realistic doesn't make it good, one of the worst memes a story teller can fall for is to strive to be "realistic"

Why do you consider Ariel's behavior that of a "realistic teenager?"

because teenagers tend to be self centered, rebellious, and/or stupid or all the above
stories about teenagers are good when they're growing up not to be so selfish, and learn from their mistakes, not when their behavior is enabled and even rewarded for being so

but Sup Forums likes teenagers

Ariel didn't learn a thing. Her every wish became true by being pretty, even though as a general rule its a terrible idea to sell your voice, run away from home for a guy you don't know and then marry him and stay with him forever. In the real world, Eric and Ariel would have broken up after 3 weeks of dating and she would have regretted the whole thing and realized what terrible risks she took and how much worry she must caused for her father and the entire kingdom.

>Her father refuses to listen to her

>She feels out-of-place in her home

>Sees a seemingly nice hot guy who happens to be part of the world she's obsessed with already

>Father finds out and blows up her beloved stuff

>Is expected to be thinking about how much worry she's caused for her father

More like

>feels neglected at home
>antisocial tendencies
>becomes infatuated with a man she has no business dating
>father finds out and is understandably upset
>runs away from home to be with her new boyfriend
>he only wants her for her body and doesn't give a shit about her personality or feelings

For being about underwater kingdoms, this has a real trailer park vibe to it.

Because she doesn't appear to learn from her mistakes or work to overcome her flaws.

not in that way

>>antisocial tendencies
antisocial != asocial

>he only wants her for her body and doesn't give a shit about her personality or feelings

Bullshit. The guy may be bland, but he was about to give up his obsession with the girl who saved him to marry Ariel before Ursula hypnotized them.

Thank you. That label fits much better.

Pretty much this.

Ariel may be a realistic teenager, but she doesn't suffer realistic consequences for her actions. She just gets bailed out by other people. She turns into a horrible kelp creature thing, but only for about two seconds before her dad saves her by fucking over the whole ocean. Then her boyfriend comes and saves the ocean and they have their happily ever after ending. She and her story set a very poor example for the audience.

The reason Ariel wanted to become human was because she wanted to learn more about and explore the human world. Which is why she immediately got married and had a kid as soon as she became human.

Triton had concerns about humans because his wife had been killed by one. Which is why he previously tried to ban fucking music from his kingdom.

So really, they're both dickheads.
>mfw no media about Ariel being a human adventurer

>So really, they're both dickheads.

Finally, someone who gets it. And yeah, Ariel interacting with human shit was adorable as fuck.

>Ariel may be a realistic teenager, but she doesn't suffer realistic consequences for her actions. She just gets bailed out by other people.
She's a rich white teenage girl. That's pretty realistic.

>he only wants her for her body
He wanted her for her voice. Hence the reason why Ursula made her give up the voice.

>no media about Ariel being a human adventurer

That's because she was too busy being a wife, mother, and noblewoman.

You know, for somebody who wanted to learn about the surface so much, it kinda seems like she didn't really leave the seaside castle a lot once she finally got there.

Is she the most irresponsible disney princess?
Sure some of the others have taken risks to chase after guys.
But she had no real information to go off of.
It was essentially an alien world.

I mean you would think Ariel would want to travel around the human world, see everything firsthand and realize everything Scuttle had ever told her was bullshit before even thinking about settling down and having a child. Yet, that never happens.

If it counts, Elsa.
She abandoned her duties as queen to live in an ice castle all by herself and makes Anna fuck off when she asks her to undo the shit she caused back home. What Ariel did wasn't fucking up her entire kingdom, that part of it was Trition giving up his power to protect her.

Rapunzel ran away from home with a total stranger and was only lucky that her "mother" turned out to actually be fake.

Now that Merida's in the princess lineup, I'd nominate her. She came pretty damn close to "accidentally" murdering her own mother in an effort to escape her responsibility to prevent war on her clan, and was lucky enough to just nearly permanently curse her mum into being a maneating demon bear instead.

Good characters make mistakes and then learn from them. Ariel didn't.

He wanted her for her glorious hair.

It's even more amazing than her voice

>Is she the most irresponsible disney princess

Anna?

>She abandoned her duties as queen

I feel like if you have the ability to literally kill everyone around you and can't really control it, that getting the fuck away from everyone is probably the safest option.

That seems to be a problem with the film's rushed ending rather than her character. Her mistake was making a deal with the devil, and she didn't realize Ursula had ulterior motives that would affect much more than just her. Even then, she tried to fight back against her before she got trapped in a whirlpool.

The act of trying to go to the human world and meet Eric wasn't the mistake, it was the method she used.

That's the problem with Female Characters. And fuck their enabling mangina simp faggots.

Ariel's real crime is that she didn't stay mute longer. That extra BODY LANGUAGE made her adorable.

Honestly if i was told some neet girl who spent her entire childhood and teen years crying in a corner of her bedroom because she is a emotionally unstable wreck with superpowers was going to become a queen i would be glad as fuck she ran away.

>That seems to be a problem with the film's rushed ending rather than her character

Shut up you moron. Don't deny that MALE WRITERS do not like holding female characters accountable for their actions. Women don't like accountability so naturally they avoid it. But these annoying male beta fags love making twat characters never answer for their shit. The latest example was Mabel from Gravity Falls.

If you dare to propose a twat is punished for her BS? You get stared at like a monster because "HOW DARE YOU HOLD PUSSY ACCOUNTABLE!?" Fuck manginas and fuck bitches.

Men White Knight Faggot bitches, real or fictional.

You were just waiting for the chance to go on an MRA speil weren't you?

Stop making your bait so obvious, user. You're better than this.

How do you mean Ariel completely got away with everything?

>Ariel damns everyone by being selfish including the man she loves.
>Ariel gives it all up in the hopes that she can right her wrongs.
>Triton makes Ariel human because he didn't want her to be miserable for the rest of her life, even if she was willing to accept it, which she was.

Ariel learned that just because she wants something doesn't mean it should be at the expense of others.
Triton learned compassion.

The Little Mermaid like many of Disney's movies has strong Christian overtones and Christianity loves sacrifice and acts of forgiveness(including forgiving and loving your enemies).

Because they're prolific and well known, making easy publicity to just shit on them in an attempt to further agendas.

I never found it that complicated
She's just right. the point of the story is that even if you're younger than your parents, you're still right when they lay down ignorant blanket rules to protect you, because they buy into the fears fed to them by tradition.
But that doesn't mean you can go off on your own and immediately expect everything to work out. Hell no. You'll get taken advantage of by the first person you trust.
but you're still BASICALLY RIGHT about the shit you've gone off and experienced yourself, even if from afar, that your parents never bothered to. and you really ARE in love.

>Ariel damns everyone
Triton damned everyone by getting himself involved and changing Ursula's contract. Otherwise, Ariel would've been turned into another one of Ursula's slugs and that would be it.

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>doesn't understand the difference between realism and relatability
Holy shit, just stop.
Nobody wants an overly realistic story, but NOBODY fucking wants an unrelatable mary sue character. A character with flaws isn't the ugly side of realism.
Are you saying writing a character that behaves like a person with a functioning brain is a meme?
Fuck you, this is the stupidest fucking post I've seen today.

No, it's not that she's flawed. It's that she's TOO flawed.
I'd be harder on her if she was a boy, stupid feminist.

Elsa literally has a big song about how great abandoning responsibility is.

>she doesn't suffer realistic consequences for her actions. She just gets bailed out by other people. She turns into a horrible kelp creature thing, but only for about two seconds before her dad saves her by fucking over the whole ocean.

Seems pretty realistic to me. teenager fucks up shit. People bail them out and make excuses. They learn they can get away with shit.

he wanted her seven vaginas

>She started with flaws
>People suffered because of her
>Kept those flaws, but get what she wanted anyway.

Except Merida finally decided to accept her duties. Ariel never changed her mind.

That being said, Ariel and her dad both had understandable points of view, but handled them poorly I think.

>Which is why he previously tried to ban fucking music from his kingdom.
How do you even perform music underwater?

In the real world, Eric and Ariel might have wanted to break up, but an alliance between Denmark and the Merpeople would allow them to dominate the Baltic, so they just have to get married anyway.

Like this
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Whalesong.
People think they're endangered due to hunting, but it was actually Triton

Triton signed the contract to protect his daughter and probably give himself self-inflicted punishment for trashing the grotto.

Disney protagonists are often irresponsible POSs who get bailed out by their competent friends

>Ariel, as mentioned throughout.
>Pinocchio, CONSTANTLY disobeyed his father to do dumb shit
>Mowgli almost got Bagheera and Baloo killed like ten times...ended up ditching them to hang out with a girl
>Aladdin was a career criminal tried to renege on his deal to free the genie because he was too pussy to talk to Jasmine like a man
>Belle fell in love with a furry who kidnapped her AND her father...this is seen as okay

It says something that Kuzco and Stitch, who were supposed to be repugnant assholes, were among the few who learned anything

>Aladdin was a career criminal tried to renege on his deal to free the genie because he was too pussy to talk to Jasmine like a man
To be fair, Aladdin was a victim of the system.

>Nobody wants an overly realistic story
This is a very bizarre claim to make.

>>Ariel, as mentioned throughout.
She learned to give up and sacrifice her happiness for others
>>Pinocchio, CONSTANTLY disobeyed his father to do dumb shit
And was punished for it, and proved his value as a person by helping his dad
>>Mowgli almost got Bagheera and Baloo killed like ten times...ended up ditching them to hang out with a girl
He didn't want to leave, and was a child put into the hands of an irresponsible bear. While Bagheera had no authority and even left him with Baloo at some point.
>>Aladdin was a career criminal tried to renege on his deal to free the genie because he was too pussy to talk to Jasmine like a man
He was a low life boy who thought she wouldn't like him if he wasn't rich. He learned otherwise.
>>Belle fell in love with a furry who kidnapped her AND her father...this is seen as okay
She hated him for it until she realized he could be good, and helped him realize it too. Dude probably confounded himself in excuses when he met the father again.

You seem to forget that for a proper story to work, the character needs to have faults and room to grow, to become better, through his own efforts and the help of his surrounding friends and family.

Which is partly why i like Luke better than Rey as a character. She didn't have much room to grow besides accepting her Force abilities and fate.

>She hated him for it until she realized he could be good, and helped him realize it too.

If Belle helped Beast, she only did it unknowingly. The guy was simply inspired by her to better himself, simply from seeing Belle being herself.

Because sound still carries in water, retard. Human ears just hear it differently because they're not designed for sub-aquatic function.

>>She learned to give up and sacrifice her happiness for others.
She didn't need to learn that, though. The whole conflict of the story centered on her sacrificing too much for somebody else's sake
>>And was punished for it, and proved his value as a person by helping his dad.
Fair point, and well-made. Pinocchio did learn his lesson eventually
>>He didn't want to leave, and was a child put into the hands of an irresponsible bear. While Bagheera had no authority and even left him with Baloo at some point.
They saved his life over and over and he was ungrateful. he wanted to stay in the jungle....until he met a girl, then ditched them without a goodbye. Mowgli was a Grade-A Jerk
>>He was a low life boy who thought she wouldn't like him if he wasn't rich. He learned otherwise.
He was stupid, then. She gave him every signal that she liked him in spite of being a hobo.
>> She hated him for it until she realized he could be good, and helped him realize it too. Dude probably confounded himself in excuses when he met the father again.
Either way, I think we can agree that is not a healthy relationship, even for a cartoon

There's nothing wrong with flawed characters and watching them grow...the problem is that a lot of these guys grew WORSE over time.