We could argue for hours over who has the best rogues gallery between Batman, Spider-Man, and The Flash...

We could argue for hours over who has the best rogues gallery between Batman, Spider-Man, and The Flash, but what about the other side?

What character has the absolute worst and most pathetic rogues gallery?

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>But muh badass New 52 Aquaman!

Aquaman fans always seem to have the biggest inferiority complex.

Green Arrow
The guy has a rouge gallery so lame that he always barrows batman's rouges

Iron Man has a fucking shit rogues gallery.

I honestly can't name any GA villains that aren't just borrowed from someone else. Do conservatives in general count?

>tfw of all things the cartoon about teenage iron man did an amazing job updating the backstory and design of his gallery
>nothing was ever done with that
What a shame.

Idk man Black Manta is delightful tbqh senpai

At least Fisherman got an interesting update in the Sword of Atlantis series.

Yeah but one good character does not a gallery make.

Brick, Onomatopoeia, and Cupid are really all he has and Batman grabbed Onomatopoeia.

At the very least, Tony has Ghost who has been solidly entertaining for several years now even if he hasn't really been featured in IM comics.

I really couldn't name one other than Titania. She works better with other super heroes anyways.

He at least has Manta.

Iron Man's is one of the worst of any major superhero.

Even in her own ongoing Byrne made it a running joke that all her villains were just d-listers from other series.

That's because he wasn't a major superhero until 2008.

Onomatopoeia though, is definitely one of the coolest villains in my opinion.

Luke Cage had a pretty shitty rogues gallery. Hulk too.

No excuses.

If we're going by ratio of good to bad then the Marvel family. Their rogues gallery is huge but maybe one out of a dozen is worth a damn.

Beyond Violator, Spawn had a really shitty set of villains and rogues.

You dissin' Cy-Gor, man?

Which superhero had Stiltman?

>Luke Cage had a pretty shitty rogues gallery

Eh... Many of them are goofy but I think a good chunk of them can be salvaged and reinvented into something better. I think with the Netflix stuff we'll see more of that (they seem to be revamping Cornell Cottonmouth and Black Mariah).

Let's not pretend Batman doesn't steal an occasional cool villain from other heroes.

Nova

>Luke Cage had a pretty shitty rogues gallery.
Hey, at least he's got ones that LOOK unique.
Iron Fist has only two good villains (Master Khan and Davos) and the rest are either shit (Scimitar, the man with a Scimitar) or were taken to the X-Men (Sabertooth).

His are all guys who also have power armor of some kind, just with variations on where/who they got it from? Barring, like, Mandarin and Whiplash?

Think he was split between Daredevil and Spiderman.

Pretty much any Superhero that wasn't Frank messed with Stilt Man once.

>I honestly can't name any GA villains that aren't just borrowed from someone else
Merlyn?

Black Manta is super poorly written. He doesn't have much personality and his backstory changes so often it's fluidity has actually become part of the character.

We love him despite that because he's a guilty pleasure. He's that extra piece of chocolate you shouldn't have or calling in sick when you really just can't be fucked getting out of bed.

Black Manta is a fantastic villain, but he's also an awful one.

He actually has a large number that aren't guys in power armor or businessmen. Aside from the two you mentioned, Killer Shrike, Unicorn, Living Laser, Madame Masque, Melter, Zeke Stane, Blizzard (though his powers come from a suit it's not powered armor), Ghost, and Spymaster.

>Blizzard (though his powers come from a suit it's not powered armor)
He has icy powers now, right?

Agreed, Ghost is amazing.

But fucking Slott stole him for Spider-Man anyway....

A lot of Luke's rogues fall under the weird gangster or gimmick thug archetype.

Frank killed one of the Stilt-Men in a Civil War tie-in.

Shallow, not awful.

>He at least has Manta

And Scavenger.....

Maybe awful wasn't the right word. I'm a bit whacked out on pills at the moment.

But you get what I mean.

Yeah, he's Inhuman now.

>The Shark in that lineup

But that's a GL villain.

>weird gangster or gimmick thug archetype

How is that any different than Daredevil's rogues? Or Spider-Man's street-level villains? Or hell even some of Batman's villains?

Superman

It's not. The problem is that it means you're usually restricted to certain types of stories unless you're willing to break the character archetype, like with Typhoid Mary. They also have the problem with being indistinct and interchangeable. Ventriloquist brings nothing to the table, other than a doll, that distinguishes him in any way.

Iron Man has the worst rogue gallery, and his comics are generally terrible too.
He only works as an Avenger, not solo.

>Sex Luthor
>Bizarro
>Brainiac

He definitely doesn't have the best, but it's nowhere near the bottom.

Iron Man's problems with running solo is that he rarely gets writers who understand the themes they're working with. Most of his writers don't know shit about business, government, or futurism.

Most of his villains also don't work in the classic supervillain manner. They need to take a page out of shonen and make them rivals, competition, and antagonists, but there is no reason for them to swear revenge and hatch plots against Iron Man.

>there is no reason for them to swear revenge and hatch plots against Iron Man
well to be fair he is a cunt

>Iron Man rarely gets writers who understand him for 50 years

Sure he's a cunt. He's a cunt and a half, but when you're a rich businessman with a company at your disposal and a robot suit you don't hire some unstable ex-mil type to go play king of the mountain. You sell monkey model powered armor to some tinpot Eurasian dictator for a couple million a piece plus extra for technical labor and parts. Then when Iron Man shows up you send out the unstable ex-mil type in a robot suit to stop Iron Man from interfering with a government approved arms sale.

I didn't say that, he's had some excellent character work over his lifespan. The early Cold War stuff worked well enough but left all the Russian agent characters adrift starting back in the the 70s. Back in the 80s and early 90s we got some good stuff out the focus on business. Since then we haven't gotten a lot and it's only made worse by the need to adhere to classic cape storytelling. There was no reason for Stane to put on the Iron Monger armor. There was no reason for Armor Wars to end with the government ordering a fight to the death between Iron Man and Firepower. How many stories have we gotten that are basically, "Tony tries to revolutionize the world with SCIENCE only to have one of his villains mess everything up?"

Remember when Scavenger reformed, but then it turned he actually gone underground to become a child raping snuff pornographer, or something?

Luke's villains probably could be easily revamped, but nearly everyone regards them as either too retarded or offensive to bother, with only Walker and whoever wrote a couple of the Victor Alvarez stories being willing to give them anything more than crowd shots (that Luke hasn't had a solo since that debatably canon Azzarello mini from the early 2000s hasn't helped).

But yeah, the show will probably get them used more; it already brought back Black Mariah.

Literally only Khan and Thatherton. Idk what all the hype is about.

Aside from 1 or 2 of them Empowered and The Super Homies has a pretty lame list of villains

>disliking Ghost
>disliking Blizzard
>disliking the Hammer family

I nominate Carol Danvers

Nah he isn't awful at all m8. Fluid backstories are just part of comics. If anything, he is one of the few villains who does "GODDAMN IT I JUST HATE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE HERO!" right

Did she get Mar-Vell's villains as well when she inherited title?

Remember when Dixon tried making Nightwing a rogue gallery and failed terribly at it?
It was just Blockbuster (who was a Kingpin ripoff), a bunch of assassins, a couple very lame characters like Torque, and some one off villains that were never seen again.
For a character who had 153+30 Nightwing issues, like 70 issues as Batman, and Grayson, you'd think people would be able to create something worthwhile that would stay, but no. Dickbats ones got put under Bruce, Nightwing ones are never seen again, and that'll probably happen with Grayson.
Deathstroke is probably the closest thing he has to a villain if Priest and Abnett bring that back.

Black Manta is like Joker. Shallow as fuck, but can be entertaining when written right. Just driven by hatred more than wanting a cock up his ass.

You've described why Manta is good though

>icy powers
Nope, he does not. Thanks for the playing the "does this guy read comics" Home game.

Brick, Merlyn, Onomatopoeia (before Batman took him), Cupid, Clock King (before Batman took him)
Can't remember if Count Vertigo originated with GA but he's usually one the main villains anyway
And the mythology Lemire tried to set up and whatever Percy is doing

But yeah his rogues are pretty weak and Arrow didn't help them at all

Really, Tarantula was a better villain than anything Dixon did. Had Grayson not done the whole rape thing that character could've been a worthy villain.

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does he even really have a rogues gallery? Most stories I've read with him is him just going against the mob and such.

That's what I mean, though. It's so anemic it's nonexistent.

Donnie Gill got superpowers in an Infinity tie-in.

Torque's only real problem was the shitty gimmick. Lady Vic has a decent backstory, but a shitty costume and no real personality. Brutale would have fit in pretty well in Grayson given his backstory; likewise he also has a shitty costume, it seems to be a thing with Dixon villains.

I'd be cool with Rebirth's strategy of making the CoO a reoccurring villain for Dick.

Also Jason would have been a great arch enemy for Dick

Yeah but that's not to his detriment, he's not supposed to have a rogues. That's like saying Morpheus has a shitty rogues gallery because it doesn't exist.

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>Yeah but that's not to his detriment
Oh, absolutely not. Denny O'Neil's run on The Question is one of my favourite comics. I was just going by how memorable or forgettable the villains are, not whether their absence was to the protagonist's benefit necessarily. It just stands out in my head as a good cape comic without good villains.

I get what you're saying, though. The idea is more about guys who do have rogues, but the rogues they have are phoned-in or lame.

>Thanos

she sure did

King of the Hill worked perfectly fine as a predominantly Monster of the Week show with only a handful of recurring rogues.