Which one was the best bender?

Which one was the best bender?

Prolly the one that was able to go toe to toe with the Avatar in the avatar state.

Best bender

Ozai>Azula>Zuko
Someone "/thread" me.

>with the Avatar in the avatar state.
Didn't Ozai get his shit pushed in once Aang got his glow on?

Ozai.
Would Iroh be able to keep up with him?

Obviously Ozai
Yh. and.....? Whats your point Avatar state is basically god mode.

Only because of the comet.

Azula killed him in the Avatar state

Iroh said he wasn't sure if he could beat him.

Base power rankings
Iroh>Ozai>Azula>Zuko

Comet power rankings
Zuko>Azula>Ozai>Iroh

My point is that Ozai wasn't able to take Aang while he was in the AS.
>Azula
I'd hardly call a lightning shot during a magical girl transformation going toe-to-toe.

>Comet power rankings
>Zuko>Azula>Ozai>Iroh
???

Zuko has a higher power ceiling than the rest of them and can only reach it with the comet, otherwise his power floor is incredibly low compared to them which is why he sucks most of the time

I recall Ozai making flamethrowers the size of buildings back in the Comet so no.

She was the only one smart enough to do so

Ozai gave Aang the opportunity to shield himself, buying enough time for the Avatar state bullshit.

Azula took the shot when she saw an opportunity and just ended it

Based on what exactly?

Azula until that mental breakdown deux ex bullshit

Ozai > Azula > Zuko

And if Legend of Korra is to be believed Zuko got even shittier with age.

Makes her the most opportunistic, not the best firebender. Ozai wasn't taking it seriously, basically just gloating about how awesome he is.

Ozai > Azula > Zuko > Meltdown Azula.

As it stands Ozai i quite possibly the strongest firebender we see in Atla, Azula might've gotten better than him with time, but she went mental and never got the chance. Zuko just doesn't seem to really have the talent of Azula or the will of Ozai to get on their level, and i believe he never mastered lightning even in LoK.

He probably has a higher ceiling once he learned the proper firebending techniques, but his lack of lightning is still problematic for his overall power ability.

Sure, but he just isn't considered a prodigy of fire bending and i doubt that changed. Not sure if Ozai was a prodigy aswell though so Zuko might have gotten stronger than Ozai later on but he wasn't during Atla, and i think he was too old in LoK.

Based. On. What?

Iroh is the strongest firebender. Zuko goes to him and says "Can't you beat the Firelord?" and Iroh says "Totally, but it wouldn't be good for the long run. History would see it as a man killing his own brother for power instead of the guardian of the world restoring peace and balance".

These aren't exact quotes, obviously, but you get the idea.

>Iroh says "Totally, but it wouldn't be good for the long run
Iroh literally said "And I don't know that I could."
Jesus.

>These aren't exact quotes

Zuko was better by the finale, insta kill with lighting redirection.

It's more accurate to say Ozai = Iroh since iroh is unsure if he could actually take Ozai. Which probably has something to do with age difference aswell as ruthlessness and so on.

All of Zuko's fireblasts after learning the proper bending source were much larger than his other fireblasts, and he was seemingly using much less energy to make them. Given enough time to practice, he could probably match his father's ability/output since the new method gives him a better baseline to use.

I remember in that fight that Katara was going to ripa Azula's members off if Zuko hadn't saved her.

Katara is fucking brutal, she is always using attacks aimed to kill.

Your whole point was that Iroh was stronger with his words being your only evidence but you went from "I don't know if I could win" to "Yeah I could totes kick his ass".
Not shit they're not exact quotes. Not even close. Just straight up wrong.

Azula was also weaker though.

>All of Zuko's fireblasts after learning the proper bending source were much larger than his other fireblasts, and he was seemingly using much less energy to make them.
You're making shit up. Stop it.

Besides latest comic has Azula back as top dog.

Man, watch the end of the Firebending Masters. When they're firebending, it looks so fucking easy for both of them.

Why are you so bootyblasted about it? I wasn't aware that Ozai had fanboys.

They were doing the exact same shit as always.

>You're making shit up. Stop it.
Zuko lets off two or three fuck huge fireballs like it's nothing after he learns true firbending from the dragons.

>Azula was also weaker though.

I know, but the show imply that you can't do shit against lighting redirection if you also doesn't know the technique.

Zuko could have killed Ozai when he attacked him with it, but choose not, and Zuko literally threw it on his face.

Aang could have killed Ozai without avatar state.

Azula has no way to avoid a lighting attack, and this is why Zuko provoked her to do it.

>Aang could have killed Ozai without avatar state.
I don't know about that.

I'm the thread fact checker. Don't make shit up next time.

>mfw people treat Zuko as he was a weakling, when he was recognized as a strong firebender since the first season, and by the end is among the top 10, or more probably, top 5 of the world.

It's a good technique but also a very dangerous one to use. It looks to me like it is much more dangerous than just lightning bending so while Zuko and Aang can do it, chances are that they shouldn't be doing it as frequently as Ozai or Azula shoots lightning.

He means with lightning redirect. Aang had a clear shot at Ozai but chose not to send the lightning back in Ozais face.

>Azula has no way to avoid a lighting attack, and this is why Zuko provoked her to do it.
That's why she outsmarted him there. Besides Azula even normal is savvy enough to know that if he could redirect lightning and she couldn't she'd never shoot it off in the first place unless maybe it was a sure hit.

Ozai lost the moment Aang went into Avatar state.

He could go head to head with young frightened Aang in his normal state while having the meteor buff. That's not really a big deal.

Even Iroh mentions that he could probably beat Ozai but only passed the opportunity because it wasn't his fight.

Aang is pretty much unstoppable in the Avatar state, but it seems only Azula was able outsmart Aang in that state. She managed to almost kill him after all.

Ozai might have more experience but Azula is a prodigy. She's easily the better bender. I would bet even Azula understood the true source of her fire and didn't need to learn it from the dragons like Zuko did.

Man, it's been a long time since I've seen the finale, I totally forgot that Aang learned to redirect lightning.

The scene was:

>Ozai attacked Aang with lighting
>slow mo
>You get to see Aang starting to redirect and Ozai face of I AM FUCKED
>Aang looks at Ozai and exitates
>redirect the lighting to a rock

The thing about lighting attacks is that they are FUCKING HARD to avoid, and if it hits you, only a technich know by only 3 people at the time, could save you.

Not sure about that, it's just that he is in fact weaker than those other two.

If we compared him to most other firebenders in the show he would probably score alot higher. I mean being weaker than 4 of the best firebenders isn't that bad.

>I know, but the show imply that you can't do shit against lighting redirection if you also doesn't know the technique.
Well yeah. In the original series it wasn't a well known technique. Iroh created it and then taught it to Zuko, who in turn taught it to Aang. You can't do anything about it because you're using firebending's most lethal technique on some punk who should by all rights be helpless to stop it, and then next thing you know it's flying right back in your face.

>I would bet even Azula understood the true source of her fire and didn't need to learn it from the dragons like Zuko did.
Shut up, Scrapper.

>Shut up, Scrapper.
what is this meme

Man, remember when on Korra any spirit could easily defeat the avatar state?

No. Go away.

That entire season was inconsistent as all hell.

>I'm the thread fact checker.
Holy shit get a life. This is pathetic.

>probably beat Ozai
>outsmart Aang in that state
He didn't say probably, he said that he wasn't sure he ould beat Ozai.
And Azula didn't outsmart him.She just called him out on a midfight powerup.

I think they have their strengths along different axes.

Ozai was a powerhouse and when fueled by the comet could put out a tremendous amount of energy. He did go toe-to-toe with Aang, but lost when the Avatar state took over. However, he DID almost willpower his way to victory, when the red-glow nearly overwhelmed Aang's blue-glow in the PRESS X TO WIN segment of the finale.

Azula is probably the quickest learner in terms of grasping the concepts of firebending (sans Sun Warrior). She's pretty much an anime prodigy and her biggest weakness was her unstable psyche. She's my vote for best firebender, but I don't know if she could match Ozai or Iroh's output (or if that's even a thing to be worried about).

Iroh was an innovator and learned how to adapt and apply different techniques from other styles into firebending. He also had the power and experience to back up his innovations. If he isn't the best firebender than he's up there.

Old Zuko's probably better than young Zuko

What? If you get the job and someone else doesn't, that already makes you better. Especially when they were both trying to accomplish the same thing

I'm also the thread stayingontopic enforcer. You're off topic faggot!

Scrapper is a tripfag that waifus Azula and rabidly defends her and tries to portray her as totally flawless, with all of the bad things she's done being solely the fault of people around her. He used to show up a lot in Atla/Korra threads.

Other fun facts: He's a pedophile, he molested his niece, he strangles people, has copious amounts of kiddie porn plus cropped Azula porn, and he stomps on birds.

Ozai was bored as shit thats why he was fucking around with Aang.

The OP was asking specifically who the best bender was. Not who the smartest was, or who can spit the farthest, or who can hold their breath the longest. Ozai is the strongest firebender.

If a guy punches Floyd Mayweather in the back of the head does that make them the better boxer?

Technically Aang is the strongest firebender.

>and he stomps on birds
At least he's doing one decent thing with his life. Fuck birds.

The best bender was obviously the one who could change her fire to blue when no one else even thought it was possible.

I think that's a pretty sure sign that Azula understands a hell of a lot more about firebending that everybody else and can demonstrate it too.

That's why I'm going with either Azula or Iroh as best/most skilled, but I don't think Zuko is necessarily the worst.

He might not be as good a fighter in the original series, but his own spiritual revelations about the nature of firebending left him with a lot of potential to grow into.

There is that to consider, I guess, I mean Aang learns how to redirect lightning a lot easier than Zuko did.

Its weird that no one ever brought it up in the show.

>I mean Aang learns how to redirect lightning a lot easier than Zuko did.
Because Aang was a master waterbender by that point. Iroh learned to do it by watching them.

Yeah, it's like they just brushed it off as being a part of her prodigy skillset.

It os never said that it was her that created it and the only one who could use it.

Maybe Ozai think that it is impratical. Anyway, the meta reason is to diferentiate her attacks from Zuko and for a pun.

Yes.

Azula is no doubt a prodigy, but she's still weaker than her father. Which is why she didn't try to betray him. If she thought she was stronger, she would have revolted.

So where would you place Jheong Jheong?
I figure the rankings would go:
>Ozai/Iroh, it's a little unclear who is better
>Azula
>JJ
>Zuko

How strong do you think Jeong Jeong is compared to the royal family in terms of firebending?

First you're analogy is retarded seeing as how boxing has rules and that move is illegal where they were in situations where It's life or death. Also Floyd mayweather isn't even the best you pleb.

Someone brought up going toe to toe with the avatar. Ozai got his shit wrecked while Azula almost killed the lil nigga. So that point was invalid from the start.

I like to believe that zuko is better than azula by then end because despite the fact that she was going crazy she was still really good. Also when they fought in the air temple they stalemated each other since he learned the secret from the dragons.

I don't know, maybe it's the only one of the three who learned the true power of fire-bending from dragons and the Sun People. Ozai only managed against Aang so long because
1) No Avatar state
2) the comet is a cheating bastard

She didn't go toe to toe with him. She shot him while he was going into the A.S.

It was never explained as a deliberate change. It was done as a stylistic choice so that the Last Agni Kai would be more visually impressive and to help viewers tell who was shooting which fireball.

I'd put JJ above Azula, but she certainly had the potential to become the best with time. She just wasn't there yet during Atla.

I also feel it's worth noting that JJ seemed to have grasped some kind of truth about firebending that most other firebenders hadn't. Iroh being the exception because he visited the Sun warriors. And Zuko too i guess, but i doubt he had reached JJ's level.

Azula was already whooping Aang's ass back in the Book 2 and he had three forms of bending to spam against her even without the comet Ozai would have still whooped his ass.

She was also pretty loyal to him, Ozai knew how to play her. Azula on the other hand thought that she was good as long as she shit on Zuko, she never really understood the reason why until the Search (if we're taking everything into account).

Stronger than Azula but weaker than Ozai and Iroh.

Aang got better at bending after book 2 though, he was stronger against Ozai than he was under Ba Sing Se. I also don't recall her whooping him ever, usually they went even or Aang beat her enough to escape.

>First you're analogy is retarded seeing as how boxing has rules and that move is illegal where they were in situations where It's life or death
That's not a relevant difference here. When the question is "who is the best firebender?" "firebending" being a style of fighting we look at skill , technique, strengths and weaknesses, etc. Mayweather could likely use the same skills and technique learned in boxing to when most street fights but if a guy who also boxes grabs a metal pipe and beats him in the shin he still ain't the better boxing even though he won that fight.
Also I never called Mayweather the best Jackass.

>she's still weaker than her father
There's really no way of knowing that.

>why she didn't try to betray him
Overthrowing the Fire Lord and claiming lordship for yourself isn't as easy as just challenging them to an Agni Kai. There is politics involved.

For all we know, maybe Azula was already confident that she could beat her father, but just wanted to wait till the Fire nation conquered the world during the meteor. It was Ozai's plan after all.

She's smart. She's not going to jeopardize the Fire Nation's plan just to subvert power for herself. She'd wait until there was a better moment to strike. Until all the work of taking over the world was already done for her. In any case, she had already secured her place as the rightful heir. She was to be crowned Fire Lord towards the end. It was only a matter of time when she would take her fathers place whether forcefully or not.

She was clearly shaken when Ozai proclaimed himself the Phoenix King. She didn't even seem to realize that being assigned as Firelord was an underling position and that Ozai never intended for her to be in any real position to undermine him.

I don't think she was prepared to usurp power from Ozai, and by the finale certainly not in the mental state to sustain such a plot.

>Even without the Comet, Ozai would have whooped his ass

Don't you have a tard handler to get back to?
Literally nothing in the show suggests that. Aang almost kills Ozai before he even goes into the Avatar state.

>I also feel it's worth noting that JJ seemed to have grasped some kind of truth about firebending that most other firebenders hadn't.

I don't think so.

The sun warrior style see fire = life
JJ talks only about the more common way, fire = rage, and even resented this and said to Katara that he wished he was a waterbender, because in his vision water = healing and life.

He was too pussified to do it and turned tail immediately. If not for the magic rock we
d be living in a fire nation world right about now.

Katara doesn't get enough credit, she is the most stone cold on team Avatar. Not even my favorite and I gotta acknowledge that.

Ozai>Zuko>Azula by the end of the series

Ozai>Azula>Zuko as of Smoke and Shadow because Yang is a hack

Azula only managed to land that lightning shot because she's arguably the most plot-armored character in the series.

Every single time Aang went into the Avatar state, he either did it instantly or had earthquakes/huricanes/other natural disasters going around while he charged up, making it hard to do much of anything.

However, when Azula saw Aang going into the Avatar state, he charged up with no natural disasters and just kinda floated up there like a retard.

>and just kinda floated up there like a retard.
With a literal spotlight on him.

>Katara doesn't get enough credit, she is the most stone cold
>stoner cold

He still had a better grasp of firebending than any firebender that hadn't seen the Sun warriors. The others didn't seem to realise how destructive their firebending was to the world and themselves and he did. I don't know for sure but i doubt he ever visited the Dragons himself so i assume he figured it out on his own. He is like one of those Wise Sages from eastern stories that just have grasped something almost no one else has.

To be fair, I think he understood the implications of "dark side" firebending far better than his contemporaries back home. Ozai might have thought those negative feelings were actually a good thing.

>Katara in the rain

That was sick. Waterbenders always seem to go for blade weapons.

>Azula only managed to land that lightning shot because she's arguably the most plot-armored character in the series.

No. Plot amor is spending 5 minutes powering up out in the open and no one taking a shot at you.

Yes, she had the opposite, which I think is unfair genre savvy. She knew that Aang was powerless while he was charging and managed to be in the right place and right time to take the shot.

She continued on being all keikaku until her friends betrayed her, then she started fraying.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Ozai is the strongest.

If we wanna make it a completely fair comparison and say all three were at their best and were all equally experienced, (say we aged up the children to Ozai's age,) then Azula is probably the best being a prodigy.

But honestly this is all very subjective.

>m-muh plot rock

You still haven't made any sort of cohesive argument as to why Zuko isn't the best of those three fire-benders.