Is race change exclusively bad?

Is race change exclusively bad?

No

No, it's ok when it's a separate universe where that's the joke like Earth-23 (and even there only Superman himself was race swapped, everyone else was just the existing minority versions given prominence)

>there's no Earth with Asian Justice League
Typical racist DC.

Only if it's from white to non-white.

Literally Earth-0

Boy do I have some recent news for you...

No, it's just stupid if you're only doing it for a diversity quota and you're too scared or too uncreative to make new characters.

Yes unless it's an alternate universe where it's clearly another person.

pretty much this

One super hero does not an Asian Justice League make.

However, Race bending is fucking retarded because minorities (such as myself) should have their own independent heroes to identify with.

Anything like "CAP IS BLACK" "SPIDEY IS BLACK/MEXICAN" or whatever is just publicity stunts.

Give us our own god damn heroes.

No
Ultimates Nick fury wasn't bad since. ..Alternate universe

Miles was hamfisted and sucked

see

Did you even read New Superman?
They are starting a chinese justice league wtih chinese batman and chinese wonder woman.

If it's an existing character being changed, yes.

If it's a legacy character, alternative universe version, etc., no. Not unless it's some sort of agenda-pushing or blatant token diversity change.

Don't the Chinese already have their own superhero team?

>Miles was hamfisted and sucked
pls user he wasn't

everyone say it but they forget it was actually one of the best.

it only current miles that is godshit awful

So all Marvel the last 3 years?

Great Ten is separate from the bootleg Justice League

Yeah but they're a bunch of jerks who nobody cares about

>Bendis

This. If other people want heroes to represent them, then make those heroes. Don't take existing ones and change them.

.. user you don't understand comics and how marvel operates.

and that's fine

No.

It's really stupid to make Falcon Captain America and call it a day though. It'd be better to develop him as a profitable solo character instead of trying to go for controversy and PC points by making him replace a white character.

And in the end, status quo dictates that Steve Rogers comes back.

>Give us our own god damn heroes

Nobody buys those

That's why they tie them to existing properties

^this

never forget alpha.

Yes

It's an impossible situation and I sympathise with both sides.

Is there a solution?

make diversity legacy heroes but have them coexist with the white ones, like New Super-Man with DC right now

Thread Quasi Derail, because we've seen this shit so many times.

We know Banner will eventually be back as Hulk.

What should happen to Amadeus Cho?


They did, and it sold like ass.

If Miles is the best, there's a LOT of shit sinking below him.


War Machine route. Heroes will have minority supporting characters. Establish those characters, with personalities, motivations, strengths, weaknesses, flaws. Find the ones that are the best characters, and the most popular. Eventually, promote them to their own hero ID.

Introduce a character, make him/her a sidekick or something for some time, build some kind of legacy around him, make him take the mantle - Good

Make an OC and swap an old hero with it because it's progressive - Bad


He can still hulk out, but he becomes the lead of Hercules, not Hulk

it doesnt make sense for a creator to make a new (diverse) character from the ground up for marvel or dc when they could do it on their own and own it 100%.

so what do you get? race swapping. its incredibly lazy, and stupid, but there really isnt an alternative

Nailed it.

I think it's better if the new guy gets his own hero ID most of the time, because of the tendency for continuity to snap back.

Exception is if the old ID is unused for a while or weak, ala Mr Terrific, Ms Marvel.

Only if the original character is being race swapped. Black Peter Parker is a no-go. Miles Morales is fine. Likewise with Green Lantern. When they become their own character who either take up the mantel or are part of a different universe, it's fine.

One of the reasons people hated Black Iron Maiden is because they fucking forgot Rhodes' daughter who had perfect motivation to take up being Iron Man. That's when you know they were trying to meet a diversity quota and not that they were interested in another characters' arc.

No. Nothing is "exclusively bad" in fiction. Stop asking loaded questions.

This has to be an edit.

No.if it was, we never would have gotten this if it was.

It's okay if it's well written, not done as a cheap marketing ploy, or the character is respectfully continuing a legacy of a predecessor. So usually, no.

no but nor is it exclusively good.

I don't mind race-changing overall and I'm open for new takes on characters. And I think it works best if they not only change the race, but also change the story and character. ''The Gods and Monster'' really comes to mind when talking about this. I don't know if the characters were super great, but at least it was interesting since they weren't just different looking folks, but also new kinds of characters with different spins to them.

But I do

How would you react if Fear Monger got a race change?

FUCK I MEAN HATE MONGER!
and i thought i would have fucked up with war monger

Hate Monger.

And Black Hitler exists, just make him look like one of those uhuru shouting black socialists.

Only when you're changing any race to white. Then it's evil and must be stopped. But if you're changing white to anything else it's good and progressive. Because liberalism.

It is, but the first panel is real. Iron Man basically dodges the issue.

All it does is increase the number of entries on the List of Black Super Heroes wiki page, it doesn't actually change anything. It's not like a black kid is going to look at Black Aquaman or whatever and think "Wow I'm being represented," all he's going to think is "Haha now another one's like us, we win"

Instead come up with a new character written by a minority with good ideas and good writing and actually get behind them

Manta is good though

How much better would he be if he had his own fucking comic books bad got promoted by DC?

Hell, fucking put him on the Justice League, he'd be Mike's more interesting than Aquaman

Give him amnesia and kill off Aquaman, boom, job done

>Hate Monger gets his mantle overtaken by a Black Israelite who absolutely believes that Hate Monger was always black, any evidence otherwise is false information put out by the Eurocentric White Supremacy.He can't be a ghost of clone Hitler because the Holocaust never happened to the white false Jews He's not spreading hate, he's opening minds to the truth.

No but its been raped lately. In fact from here on out I consider it the same as blackface. What it was used for in the past makes it racist as fuck.