Let's be serious and honest for a second. Does Christianity still has a chance? Can the values, the principles of Mother Europa survive? Will this be the end for this great civilization that stands from London to Paris, from Madrid to Berlin, from Rome to Moscow? Will we return on the right way? Is Europe ready for a resurrection?
What do you think? Do we still have a chance? Is it worth to keep fighting?
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Europe will do fine, Christianity is dead.
Just a reminder that a Europe without Christianity and traditional valued it's what led us to the state we are currently in.
This silence can only confirm my worries.
But the state we are currently in is very Christian. Giving away your possessions to help the poor, forgiving their transgressions against you - I know, shit is cucked but what do you expect from a religion that glorifies Joseph's wife's son? Sadly, we have become more Christian and less traditional as the time went on.
Another problem is Christcucks trying to conflate traditional values with their ridiculous religion, thus effectively poisoning the well.
Looking at how there are reactionary movements to this global egalitarian nonsense in pretty much every European country, I don't think that traditional values will disappear entirely. What will however is the foundation of this global, egalitarian thought. Why would you be sad about that?
You have a very poor understanding of Christianity
Not as poor as someone that thinks that a religion can only have an influence socially and politically if it's the state religion.
It's better that it is. Especially in the case of Christianity
Can you prove God exists?
That would cancel the need for faith
Why? You'd think neither Canada nor Britain nor America (at least those 13 colonies, for some reason - but let's be real, they're the biggest Christcucks over there) would have any problems.
So how come they're pretty much the epicenter of them?
Had a hearty kek at South Africa by the way. Maybe that's the future if your cult gets its way.
Faith is rather useless.
>Austria means nothing
>its empire went to shit before it even took off
>a former British colony rules the world right now
>Austrians aren't even united with Germany anymore
>have pic related as your coat of arms
>AUS is the code for Australia (another British colony) rather than your country's AUT
ok
So instead of adressing the points in my post you resort to greentext memeing.
Your inability to combat even moderate opposition such as me proves that the only way you're going is out. And for me that's
>ok
You can't avoid it. You're bound to have faith in some things
I have hope, and a healthy amount of skepticism. Not faith.
I can absolutely avoid it, but not for the reasons you probably think i do. Faith is brainwashing.
I'll be laughing my ass off when you elect your Green president again this year
The question is why you don't believe it does.
There is loads of information to rebuild belief in Christ with. This makes me think this is a subtle request.
Don't worry. The end times are here. The second coming is imminent. All these heretics and heathens will see how foolish they've been
You can't know everything and some things you could not know at all
So you're bound to go by some things purely on faith and others partly by it
The Bible has the finger prints of God all over it.
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>You can't know everything and some things you could not know at all
I don't presume to know anything, as a student of STEM i seek answers for what i don't know.
>So you're bound to go by some things purely on faith and others partly by it
No, i don't. Don't be ignorant and say i just believe what I'm taught, i also perform proofs and experiments to verify what I'm told, and you did too when you went through school.
Literally doing the world a disservice not being skeptical.
See If you have a non-meme position to stand on (I doubt it, chances are you got a fedora picture posted at you and went full contrarian) your inability to defend it means that that position will fail.
It's pretty sad but Christianity can't really be picky at this point at who joins and defends it.
>The bible proves the bible exists.
Your have the finger prints of low IQ all over you.
I'm not white and let me say whites got their ASSES kicked throughout history. I'm proud of my healthy olive skin.
Biblical archeology is a thing you know.
LOL you have low IQ
Double dublos for murican education
>i also perform proofs and experiments to verify what I'm told
You don't know everything you believe. Regardless of how sceptical you think you are
Most of the work has been done by people outside your student eyes. Real researchers have scientific knowledge
You are almost solely their regurgitator
Religion is stupid. Complete fucking waste of time
I don't think you really understand what you're claiming.
Archeology in general is a thing. I'm positive Ancient Egypt, Rome and many other things within the Bible are real places. That doesn't make it's extraordinary claims true also.
Harry potter takes place in modern London, doesn't mean Harry Potter is real.
I have a verified IQ of 139. Not terribly high, but not low.
There is a proven correlation between low IQ and people who make the type of arguments i pointed out.
Do you believe in Zeus because they found Troy?
>not terribly high
You clearly don't have an IQ of 139 because you'd know that's EXTREMELY high. 95th percentile range.
There are many specific claims which the Bible has made and have come true despite objections. Such as Hittites existing or Moses existing or the Jews existing in Egypt or Jericho walls falling in a particular way.
We also know it predicted for sure the arrival of Jesus Christ and every book in the Bible before the NT does has prophecy pertaining to Him.
Don't be silly.
Also the Bible predicted Israels return in Isaiah and that it would be born in a single day.
There is loads of Prophecy that continues to come true.
>You don't know everything you believe. Regardless of how sceptical you think you are
...What?
>Most of the work has been done by people outside your student eyes. Real researchers have scientific knowledge
False dichotomy, you break newton down to his components in the classroom. This is the exact same thing. Don't appeal to authority.
>You are almost solely their regurgitator
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Are you suggesting a real scientist invents something? Because that just means you don't know how science works or how something is actually invented.
Its really not anymore silly tbqh
I had to take an IQ test post deployment, they give you a range, i'm between 128-139. That is my verified IQ, and it's in line with my peers, i believe that is above average, but being above average in today's world isn't difficult whatsoever.
They change the IQ test so a majority of people always land in the 100~ range.
>will slave morality continue
>There are many specific claims which the Bible has made and have come true despite objections.
Such as?
>Such as Hittites existing or Moses existing or the Jews existing in Egypt or Jericho walls falling in a particular way.
See? All of these "predictions" came true within the context of the bible. Name something that came true within the last 10 years.
>We also know it predicted for sure the arrival of Jesus Christ and every book in the Bible before the NT does has prophecy pertaining to Him.
As improbable as the zombie apocalypse.
I take that as a "no".
Why not?
>I had to take an IQ test post deployment, they give you a range, i'm between 128-139. That is my verified IQ, and it's in line with my peers, i believe that is above average, but being above average in today's world isn't difficult whatsoever.
That never happened. My dad got 135 when had had to take the test getting into University and the University fully paid the tuition because it was so high. I have a 112 IQ and that's high so having 139 would be VERY high.
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No prophecy has ever come true from that religion.
You're just a student mate. Stop pretending you bear even 1% of 1% of the total scientific knowledge currently in circulation
Unless you have full-blown autism, you don't base your life purely on the scientific knowledge you've personally verified, so you most certainly believe things you yourself have no scientific knowledge of, and which you believe purely on the authority of the consensus
that is the most ignorant post i have ever seen
without doubt germanics are very stupid and ignorant
romans should have exterminated them
>That never happened
You sound upset, it did absolutely happen.
>My dad got 135 when had had to take the test getting into University and the University fully paid the tuition because it was so high.
130~ IQ is not that high. My mother has an IQ of 130.
>I have a 112 IQ and that's high so having 139 would be VERY high.
112 IQ is average.
I never needed my education paid for, the military paid for it in full so i never looked into IQ programs, but i doubt i would get special attention because I'm a slacker. He likely had more going for him than IQ.
That's not evidence. Do you understand what evidence is?
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Also the scientific claims in the Bible still hold true.
Books:
The Creation Answers Book: David Catchpoole
Taking Back Astronomy: The Heavens Declare Creation: Dr. Jason Lisle
Ultimate Proof of Creation: Dr. Jason Lisle
Learn the Bible in 24 Hours: Chuck Missler
Has God Spoken: A.O. Schnabel
The Genesis Flood 50th Anniversary Edition: by John C. Whitcomb (Author), Henry M. Morris (Author)
Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome: Dr. J. C. Sanford
So if you're really a seeker. You really can find. The only excuse people have these days is laziness.
Nigger do you even oracle of delphi
Are you going to start arguing semantics now because you have nothing to deliver?
>You're just a student mate. Stop pretending you bear even 1% of 1% of the total scientific knowledge currently in circulation
Appeal to authority? It doesn't take a genius to understand modern science beliefs, even if i can't break all of it down for you right here on Sup Forums, does not mean i don't understand it. At least i take it a step further and try to actually understand it beyond the pseudo-intellect level.
>Unless you have full-blown autism, you don't base your life purely on the scientific knowledge you've personally verified, so you most certainly believe things you yourself have no scientific knowledge of, and which you believe purely on the authority of the consensus
I have full blown autism then, the scientific method incorporates inductive and deductive reasoning to reach a truth. It also makes fairly accurate predictions, i'm confident your bullshit can't do that.
And yes, yes i do have scientific knowledge, much more than you do.
The oracle of Delphi disagrees with you, lad.
Oh, and
>the Jews existing in Egypt
prove it.
>So if you're really a seeker. You really can find. The only excuse people have these days is laziness.
Nothing you posted was evidence, just a large post of fanatical raving.
>112 IQ is average.
m8 you're delusional
130 isn't high enough for a university to pay full tuition but it's well above average
Very few people break three digits
It's not semantics I'm afraid. You don't understand what evidence is. You presented arguments. That's philosophical evidence.
I'm looking for empirical evidence.
>one group says it will devote itself to reason and deduction
>another says it will devote itself to loving an unseen unfelt being
Fuck off with your hippy bullshit. So sick of Christfags on pol
>100-110
>normal/average intelligence
I mean, hes wrong but not really
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Nothing I posted was philosophical at all.
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We disagree then, there ARE different IQ tests so maybe you're thinking of something else? or a different test giver? different IQ tests will verify different things.
I took a generalized IQ test and my IQ range was 128-139 with a 95% confidence. Your IQ will also fluctuate through life, your intellectual acuity can be trained. I do not believe 100-110 IQ is high, i'm fairly confident that is average and 130 is near above average. I stand by this.
Christianity is water-downed Platonicism with it's balls castrated. The real hope is to adopt Hellenic philosophy for axioms and didactic teachings, and just read the Bible in a secular lenses for some wise tidbits here and there that are scattered. We need to place a higher emphasis for classical education for the top performing students, and focus our resources grooming them to become the rulers of the next generation and the guardians of the rest of the populace.
>Are you being obtuse on purpose? Nothing I posted was philosophical at all.
We disagree, you have presented no evidence I'm afraid. Nothing empirical science could possibly accept as fact.
>reason and deduction
You fedoras think both that you have a monopoly on reason, and you confuse reason with Science
All you have is the pseudointellectual ramblings of Atheist Vloggers on Youtube
I gave you lots of material to look into. Its up to you to investigate it.
The Genesis Flood 50th Anniversary Edition: by John C. Whitcomb (Author), Henry M. Morris (Author)
Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome: Dr. J. C. Sanford
These two books are the starting point you're looking for probably.
>and you confuse reason with Science
..... I'm sorry?
Im surprised more people dont see the rhetorical links between the bible and greek philosophy in general. Its my understanding that some scholars believed jesus to have spent time with diogenis
You don't understand what evidence is man.
Do you understand what empirical evidence is?
If evidence is what you're trying to claim it is then the world would be chaos.
>the world would be chaos
You don't say.
Reason and Logic are not the same as the Scientific Method
You'll come to learn this one day
The Third Temple is close to being built. I can't believe it, I did not think that the times would be so near especially in my life time.
I don't confuse reason with science. In fact, I'm not much of a scientist at all tbqbbqh
I just think religious belief is on par with thinking the moon landing was faked. They both require paranoid/delusional/conspiracy mindsets. Religious people lack the ability to say, "I don't know"
Or we talking average in the first world or on a world wide scale?
No, the current death of the west is covert and we now have over-socialisation and white cultures being taught to hate themselves from birth. We're not going to come out of this well.
The website equivalent of a gish gallop isn't archeological evidence for the jews being slaves in egypt.
Strange isn't it? I never believed I would become a Christian either but I got baptized this March. I spent my entire life a die hard atheist.
>military paid for my education
Low IQ confirmed
Faith is a useful tool for controlling masses of weak willed goyim though
So lookup the claims and search for yourself.
Average is like 80 or 90. Also you were in the military you you are automatically an idiot.
So why does the modern government hate us?
So you googled IQ rates and found out 112 is more or less average? Get rekt faggot
>Religious people lack the ability to say, "I don't know"
Maybe other religions. In Christianity, you either have faith or you don't
If you have definite knowledge of something, then there is no point in having faith in it
>Reason and Logic are not the same as the Scientific Method
That's a pretty big claim. The scientific claim is the direct product of deductive and inductive reasoning marrying together.
Saying it has nothing to do with logic and reason is kind of absurd. I can't imagine how that is possibly even true.
Wow, I'm a #christmissile now
I'm not sure, probably first world.
I did and I came to the conclusion that there were no Jews in Egypt due to the lack of archeological evidence.
You still haven't answered why you're not worshipping Zeus.
Well, they did, and i am finishing up a bachelor's of science, if i have a low IQ i fucked upwards really hard. Which might be true, who knows i'm not complaining.
My IQ test lied too, it was psyops seeing if lying to me would help, they were right! Those bastards!
Hmm. I disagree. There is a push in the NT to investigate. The Bareans for example were praised for this. Faith without foundation is not necessary. Doubting Thomas comes to mind as well.
Different people need different degrees of information to be convinced and make that leap of faith to trust in Christ long enough to find out He really does help, give courage and strength you've never ever had.
That does it. I am now a Muslim.
No good fruits from Zeus.
>Europe is pagan for thousands of years
>Europe is Christian for 2 thousand years (little less)
>Europe is now trash
>Think christianity is the answer
Listen, I know most of this board is separated from the outside world, but a mythical man in the sky is not what Europe needs. That's what Islam has. Europe needs a whole new societal, and cultural revolution.
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America needs to focus on education if it wants to stay ahead on the world stage, i don't really care what 3rd world countries do. I'm not being a prick, it's just a lot to ask of me to care for the whole world.
>The scientific claim is the direct product of deductive and inductive reasoning marrying together.
That's called logic
And the scientific method cannot induce
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It's definitely 100-110. You're beginning to sound whiny.
Christianity is exactly the same, in nearly every way, as every other religion. It is not unique philosophically or historically in any way. Its only relevance is that it survives as an heirloom of the culture western society was born out of. I pity you as I pity the village idiot
It's average if you exclude a significant portion of the human population.
You're right then
112 is hardly anything to brag about when compared to people in developed nations.