USA vs Russia

So in a total war with no nukes involved, the US would win against Russia, I think that's a given.
In a total war with nukes involved, no one wins.

Now lets say Clinton becomes POTUS and starts messing with Russia. there's no way she'd have enough support and leadership to start a total war against Russia. The US army would have to respect some very strict RoE to make sure the already unpopular war becomes a 2nd Vietnam War against a much greater opponent.
Full scale military deployment on the US side would probably be impossible
Grabbing victory by any means possible would probably be forbidden
Clinton would probably immediatly face a strong opposition to her war from both her pacifist allies and her political ennemies
Russia isn't known to have as much restraint as the US when it comes to war
The battlefield would probably be located in Europe or the Middle East or Russia, which would put Russia at a logistical advantage compared to the US who would have to cross an ocean to get there

Could the US win in those conditions?

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Why is that a given lol

> Russia

Can we stop talking about this mongoloid shithole please?

It all comes down to which country is invading who. It's near impossible to sucessfully invade Russia, escpecially with them being the 2nd most powerful military in the world. That being said, Russia would face a similar situation if Russia was on the offensive against a US ally. If you just took two armies and put them in a random area with no logistical advantage, the US would win by firepower and technology alone, but with heavy casualties.

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Let's say Russia and USA want to work together to remove kebab, do we start in European countries filled with them or go straight to the source?

Russia would get rekt in either scenario. And possibly, they will lose so bad that their imperialistic ambitions will die.

>I think that's a given.
lawl. the u.s. military as it is today can hardly take on iran

First we have to destroy the source of degeneracy, and thats burgerland.

WHAT DE FUG DID YOU SAY TO ME CYKA, I WILL DRINK SO MUCH VODKA I WILL TURN INTO GIGASLAV.

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You safeguard israel while pushing as many of them into europe, russia and america as you can

you keep telling yourself that slav.

>GIGASLAV

eh...no we wouldn't win, we would lose badly, very , very badly. Russia has nothing we want. We might wipe out their military and infrastructure, killing countless civilians, no doubt. but how is that winning? It's not like we would acquire resources or land from this. We might send them back 50 years but at great physical and material expense.

Our air force and navy is far superior, and it's likely that our Infantry is as well, and will continue to be until Russia has an entirely volunteer contract based army with good training, like ours. They're working towards that, but at the moment they're greatly made up of conscripts and shitters, granted they outnumber us by like 300k troops, but that doesn't matter when they're mostly shit.

Their artillery is superior. The fact that we have signed treaties limiting our capabilities in this area whereas Russia has made significant advances means that we can't steamroll them, so it'd be a pretty bloody fight. Their electronic countermeasures are pretty good from what I hear too. I don't know how our two armours stack against each other, I imagine it's close.

We'd totally win a 1 on 1 though, provided we didn't invade them on poor conditions.

Russia hands down

they'll steamroll without the slightest bit of concern for human losses, and their saturation weaponry is out of this world


a few hundred thousand dead americans and people will begin whining and calling for peace talks, protesting and crying on reality tv

a few million dead Russians and the generals will be calling to start the main attack along with the "special brew" vodka rations.

Unless the US DoD has been jerking off for the last 30 years, Russia's defense budget is crazy small compared to the US defense budget.

Yeah, the US army has to respect dumb RoE that hinders their ability to win wars. However i'm giving the win to the US if they don't have to care about how popular the war and turn the entire country toward the goal of winning the war by any mean possible.

I don't think there's any reason to invade the US soil or Russia's soil which is why I assumed it would take place nearby Russia (Europe, Middle east...)

I think we'd win but I believe with how leashed our military is the RoE would be like "lol don't shoot back unless 17 of your fellow men die".

Russia also probably won't play by the rules so they'd be a tough opponent.

I truly hope trump wins so we can be friends with Russia.

What makes you think Russia would be defeated that easily? Do you count NATO into that equation?

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The US has the advantage of more recent and more lengthy combat experience (16 years) This includes logistics and combat training, plus vets. However neither the US nor Russia is even close to be equipped to invade each other. Both armies are set up for self defense and regional conflicts. The US does have the Navy though, however that navy would be in serious jeopardy of land based missile attacks.

rusaboos pls go

Whoever fights on homeground wins. US go to Russia to fight, they lose. Russia go to America to fight, they lose.

they would start with england then move on to france then germany

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>cherrypicked pictures of someone that probably doesn't even go into the field

you sure showed me bud

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The fact that you let people like that into the army speak for it self.

>Our air force and navy is far superior

No it isnt. F-35 cant fly.
And Russians have most advanced anti air.
Their jew fighters is probably just better and usable.

>and it's likely that our Infantry is as well

Not sure about that, US army is built on its Navy. Russia have best anti navi missiles.
Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks in a REAL fight, they wouldnt survive 10 minutes. 5000 service men on each ship and 50+ fighter jets.

If the Zionists had a an obvious chance of winning, they would have attacked Russia long time ago, but they do not.

total war wouldn't be enough to win. Russia, and the U.S are too big to be conquered and too populated to invade.
U.S could try and invade, but it wouldn't work. Same goes for Russia, too much land to take and hold, and supply. If anything we would see Economic, and cyber-warfare happen more then army to army fighting. Some nations are just too big to take over, you gotta weaken them over decades hoping they fall, split, or just give up.
To win, one side has to resort to nukes. There is no other to win.
It's comforting in a way that the U.S and Russia are too big to fall and if we did go to total war, it would become total nuclear war, and it would be over in hour,

just being honest m8

tech and funding isn't the be all-end-all of warfare

a modern 1 million dollar rifle is just as able to kill someone as a rusted cold war AK, and America's war track record recently has been poor to say the least.

Russia on the other hand has successfully annexed crimea in an almost bloodless military invasion, turned the tide in the Syrian war, and has general conscription that sees the majority of it's male population having some degree of military experiences

coupled with the average quality of life for the Russian, that usually involves hardship, abstract poverty and substance abuse, the average Russian fighter will be tougher, harder and less scared of injury/death then the average westerner

The cherry picking is strong with this one. I would rather have a bunch of husky fat men fighting with me then skinny twink slavs. We would throw you around like a sack of shit that you are, twink.

*sub slav

Forgot to remind you that trans people can be in American army as well.

I WANNA GO HOME AND EAT BURGERS

Yeah that's why I assumed in my OP that none of the two countries would be dumb enough to fight on their opponent's soil.

I also gave a lot of restrictions to the US and didn't impose them on Russia but I think they're all fair.
Tell me if you think some of them are unfair to the US.

MURICAAA

AMERICA FUCK YEAH

There would be civil war before the US goes to war with Russia

Russia

It really depends, we moved away from the JFK military doctrine of specialized ground forces, even though we still have very competent special forces, back to Eisenhower air supremacy. Our air and mobility is our power.

The Russians have specialized ground forces and have worked to improve technologies that neutralize our air power (spoofing and camo of tanks/artillery, anti air, long range batteries, small advanced troop deployments). They also have the tech to neutralize our mechanized units and the soldiers trained to use them.

The naval war is a complete win for the us, air-air as well. But, the guarantee that these battles would be fought in civilian cities would effectively neutralize air support and our vast armored columns. Ultimately, I believe it would be a stalemate until the Russian economy fails or more fronts are opened up and Russian can commit to a socialist state and acquire and utilize strategic forces.

USA+RUS vs France and Germany

The great kebabening

Haha sven, pretty funny!!! XD

A war between USA and Russia likely would not take place in either, instead being fought in Europe, especially in and around the baltic states and bordering countries.

It's beaten out of them sooner or later, and if they're not combatants, which these kinds of guys almost never are, then it doesn't even matter.

>zionists

opinion discarded

Talking about conspiracies is all well and fun until it comes to actual discussion on armed combat between two national entities. You can leave that shit at the door, especially if you aren't even well versed in the most realistic scenarios that would actually involve said conspiracies.

You're right, but you also have no idea what you're talking about and you base all of your assumptions on piss poor knowledge of the subject at hand that is not unlike the illiteracy you'd find in your typical liberal cesspool. Do you live in London?

>US would win vs Russia
maybe 10 years ago.

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why would we fight our brothers?

no, I have a 2,1 degree in war studies, and wrote a dissertation on American infantry doctrine since the cold war to present day

>US
>fighting Russia
>asking who would win

Nigger, we would mop the floor with those commies any time, any place

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thanks for correcting the record

Great, tell me what you've learned :^)

because in case of a Clinton win, the odds of a direct confrontation with Russia are still very low but will be higher than ever.

I don't think USA could effectively occupy a country with 10 timezones anyway. Both Russia and US had trouble with resistance and guerilla tactics in much smaller countries.

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that the Russians would win in a conventional war

The biggest conspiracy is that us army is strong, when will this meme stop?
Cant win any battle.

Might wanna read the Nato report on European war, where it says Nato have zero chance of winning a war against Russia in Europe.

> So in a total war with no nukes involved, the US would win against Russia, I think that's a given.
I think we both first need to spent our nukes on france. Then there also wont be no reasons for war.

AK>M4
so is RUSSIA

wow what a brilliant and believable insight, I can't at all see you talking out your ass

Point me to this report family, I'd like to read it

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Why of course. Because a bedsheet-waving frog-eater working for eternal (((anglo))) wants it.

>Then there also wont be no reasons for war.
could be said of any war, especially the US most recent wars

>Auto
I'm just being honest m8

look past your nationalism and in build American patriotism, and any basic military academic would tell you that the Russians would win

USA+RUS+France+Germany vs UK. With nukes.

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You don't get it, right? As long as both have thousands of nukes storaged nothing will happen between USA and Russia. Proxy warfare is the new method, conventional warfare is dead, your aircraft carriers and overprized jets are useless.

You're a bunch of retarded spoiled kids who know nothing about anything, I can't help myself but laugh when I read the utter BULLSHIT that you say

> oy vey, you forgot about me, goyims!
Fuck off, proxyanglo.

The only way the US and Russia would ever have a war is if Hillary wins and the Jews push it, like they're pushing it in Europe.

They're trying to get all white people to kill each other.

Russia has shit infantry, ancient boats, and exceptional air defense. Any fight outside of russia will end in defeat for russia. Any invasion of russia will end in defeat for usa.

Turkey +RUS>west

Say what you will Boris, this war won't happen

War between Russia and US means world war 4 will be fought with throwing stones at eachother

where did you get that from my post

Yeah I know you're being honest and that's what concerns me kek

Well, about believing that Russia would win anyway. Don't know about much else of what you're saying

Russia don't trust you. History doesn't repeat but it rhymes. But I would love to see a russo-turk coalition.

Lol, we'd rape your face in about 6 hours. Try again roach.

>all this talk about major invasion of Russia and strategic bombing campaigns and shit
Any war with Russia will most likely end up being a regional affair over the Caucasus and remain limited to that theater along with a blockade of Russian ports. Neither country would want to risk escalation by calling in allies, opening new fronts, and making a mountain out of a molehill. The Russians would drag it out but eventually sue for peace under these conditions.

Just look at your flag, you are supposed to be far more retarded from the very start than "mongoloid shithole's" people. By the way, mongolids only do dirty work in our country, so they have nothing to do with us.

The american electrical grid would get destroyed, leading to starvation and surrender. Russia are more robust and gave a bigger rural population and are used to be self reliant.

ok?

take your pills Shmuley

lol

You know nothing.
>Russia has shit infantry
Russias infantry is one of the absolutely best in the world, if not the best.

>ancient boats
you mean undetectable submarines and world leading onyx anti ship missiles mach 12+ which cant be stopped?

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Lmao go collect your unburied amerifat soldiers in afghanistan before talking shit
It's going to happen,America sides with ypg and betrays 2nd most powerful army in the nato

1st day of war casualities :
- USA : 1'000
- Russia : 10'000

Americans will start to protest in the street and start to find an issue.

inb4
>RT

Australia wins

Algeria, do some basic research and stop embarrassing yourself. Russia has best SAM's, MLRS, AShMs, ICBMs and far superior missile technology in general. Better long-range bombers, OTH radars and EWAR capabilites, maneuverable jet fighters and advanced tanks, better equipped infantry with superior vests and helmets. More importantly, Russian military specializes on combined arms offensives while Americans specialize only on bombing raids against sandpeople stuck between 1950s and stone age. Their doctrine relies overwhelmingly on air superiority and securing one over Russia is not feasibly possible.

fuck off.

"“Russia is back,” General Curtis Scaparrotti, NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) and head of US European Command, told the Aspen Security Forum on Friday."

It has nothing to do with RT, Top NATO commander said it on a NATO press conference

No, you know nothing. Most of their navy is outdated and most of their infantry is poorly trained and equipped. They are improving but they will never catch up, they don't have the money, period.

Maybe if I say Russia will win, that'll change the facts. America is the most powerful nation to have ever existed.

Yeah no, Russia has literally no chance. They'll be stomped quite quickly.

A war between the U.S. and Russia will collapse the global economy, lead to global warfare, and is absolutely unnecessary. Why Obama and Clinton desire this war is beyond most of the American people who want trump elected and to patch the fractured relationship.

I don't think anyone understand the amounts of fuckery involved in a war with russia.

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I'm glad to have some detailed explanations, thanks.

You need to lay off the CoD

kek

GOD DAMN IT I WANT A WAR

He is abused of homosex, comrade, very addicted leaf of being cucked

Even Britain could win a non-nuke total war against Russia. She's put all her eggs in the ground war basket so all we'd need to do is keep her crumbling navy at arm's reach and wait for two months until her money runs out.

Why would the US go to war with Russia under any circumstance? Theres no gain for either side.