Why is western politics so illogical? It really breaks my mind.
In Russia we have 3 major political forces: putinists (conservative right), liberals, nationalists (far right).
Liberals are all about progressiveness. They stand for LGBT rights, free economy, against religion. They are anti-immigration because most of immigrants are middle Asians who are more backwarded than Russians, and also they are strikebreakers for Russian economy lowering salaries and making it unable to fight for workers rights because instead of you cheap Uzbek can be hired. Also anti-religiosity of liberals heavily concerned with Islam as a very conservative religion (and against orthodoxy too because it's very conservative too). Liberals stay against "traditional values" pushed by the government etc. They also are against big business, corporations run by Putin friends etc. They also want to westernize Russia and they are pro-free speech.
Putinists are all about conservatism, traditional values, being religious and anti-LGBT. They represent big business interests so they are pro-immigration. With being religious and conservative they are okay with Islam and orthodoxy and most of Muslims in Russia are giant Putin supporters. Putinists are also against free speech with all these anti-blasphemy laws, anti "gay propaganda" laws etc.
Russian politics are highly logical. Conservative people stay with conservators and hate progressiveness, progressive people stay with liberals and hate conservators and religiofags. In the West it's the opposite and FUCKIN ILLOGICAL. Muslims vote for left wing parties who are pro-gay. Okay, of course there are some progressive Muslims who are okay with gays but majority is pretty conservative. Conservators hate Muslims while most of their attitudes coincide and conservators are religious. Many left wingers are pro immigration while it's pure strikebreaking. It's extremely retarded and makes me look at western politics as a giant boiler with shit.
Why is western politics so illogical? It really breaks my mind
direct democracy is the only okay democracy everything else is just a game of stealing power
In the Netherlands we have a right wing and left wing.
The right wing wants lower taxes. The left wing more taxes.
But the right and left wing almost always rule together, as we have 11+ parties and need at least 3 parties to get a majority.
Everyone agrees on 90% of the social issues.
But there are some small differences in each. There is a small party that wants to take women voting rights away, one party that wants to ban the Quran, one party that represents animals and one party that wants to put our country a communist rule and one country that wants to abolish the Netherlands and create an EU superstate etc.
>one country
*one party
>and one country that wants to abolish the Netherlands and create an EU superstate
I guess I know which country that is...
Yes because a horde of uneducated/unenlightened peasants should totally determine the fate of your country
Direct democracy is a meme
You have some weird ass parties.
Ungrateful cuck
You make very good points, Russki
I too, am confused by this
Come on you know it's true, especially women and people without an academic degree should not be allowed a say in politics.
Same here. Coalition governments are pure cancer and only serve the politicians. Nothing ever changes
Because it's easy to get into politics and get votes here.
Not only that, but ordinary people hardly have the time to analyze every single bill, that's why we need politicians.
>especially women
Grandmothers are extremely based voters
>and people without an academic degree should not be allowed a say in politics.
The academic class will only vote with their academic interests and view politics from an academic lifestyle. They have no idea what life is like for the working class, the majority of most countries.
Well, in highly educated society it can be effective so you could do it in Nordics or a Switzerland but in Russia it would be total disaster.
That guy who pol likes.. Wilders if I remember correctly. Which party is he? Also are these minor ideas get voted sometimes? Also what are liberals in Netherlands resemble Russian liberals? Are there forces like that in the West? Liberal, progressive, anti-racism, anti-corporation, anti-religious (including Islam) and anti-immigration. That's what Russians liberals are for and I would like to find something like that in the west a d support it (because I believe one day I will move abroad).
Two major reasons.
>1. liberals are co-opted by big money.
They are pro-immigration because they get their funding from Wall Street and big business. These companies are obsessed with economic growth because that is how they make their money. A growing population is needed for a growing economy.
>2. Political correctness
Anti-racism is strong in Europe+America. That means you can never ever criticize minorities without being branded a racist. All problems are caused by white men and minorites are always the victims.
Look at all the contortions Liberals go through when there's an Islamic terrorist attack. They blame everything but Islam.
No I don't agree at all. Uneducated fucks counter-balance the over-progressives
worked out so well in Brexit, didnt it?
Group Y steals money from Group X,whats the illogical in that.
society is only made of people in it
no single dictator cannot be as incompetent as majority of the people
Democracy is the religion of death,that brings the equality of despair to all groups,the poor,middle-class,the wealthy and super rich.
yes, it did
do you still believe the "Brexit was bad" meme?
Wilders is from the Party of Freedom (right wing conservative, although he's fairly social) is the currently the fourth party. But in the polls he's been the biggest party for over a year now. So he might get elected. He's anti-Islam and anti-migration.
Dutch liberals are classic liberals. So they want lower taxes, privatize everything and support business. They pretty much only care about corporations. They aren't too bothered about other issues.
The Dutch progressives want a green economy without fossil fuels and think we should help all the asylum seekers. They don't believe in borders.
>anti-religious
Religion is not a government concern in the Netherlands. Nobody is anti-religion. Except for the Islam.
>anti-corporation
The Socialist Party is against big corporations. But they like small business and local companies. Everyone understand corporations are important. The left wing does want to get rid of the empty holding companies in the Netherlands because they are used for international tax avoidance.
>Many left wingers are pro immigration while it's pure strikebreaking. It's extremely retarded and makes me look at western politics as a giant boiler with shit.
Muslims support left parties because of welfare and a refusal to go after the bad aspects of Islam. Right opposes Islam because of historical reasons and a dislike of the third-world mentality.
The pro-immigration thing is because progressives hate western culture, and they see flooding our countries with foreigners as a way to destroy it. While the working class gets it hard because of this, they don't care because the left in western countries stopped being pro-working class ages ago. If you wanna know more, this is an essay written by a NWC historian on the topic, and he goes into why this highly illogical situation is so.
Well, the reformed party wants that only the male head of the family can vote. And the government is ruled according to the bible. But they are an exception.
Brexit is great, just not for UK
I wonder, why is it logical on shitty 2nd world country and such fucked up in a rich first world countries.
I mean, imagine I got an American citizenship. Who should I vote? Trump is anti-immigration which is good, and anti-Islamic; but he is conservative and many of his supporters are anti-gay, pretty racist (I don't say Trump is racist himself), and his economical ideas are retarded.
Hillary program is good, especially economical part, but Hillary is okay with Islam (and other religions; well, maybe in religious American society it's just naive to wait for candidates to be fedoras, but at least if you are anti-conservative you should stay against conservative branches of religions) and immigrants which is stupid. You can't take selfies with women in headscarves which are symbols of religious oppression and be pro-women rights too. So both candidates are utter shit.
1.4 dollars per pound is closer to the actual value though, and the whole 'weak currencies are bad' meme needs to die. The only reason why the pound was at 1.8 dollars was because a poor economci situation on the continent and investor fears about the euro drove investment money into the UK, causing the pound to appreciate fairly rapidly. When Brexit happened, a wave of uncertainty hit the UK because so many people had bet against Brexit and now wanted to cut their losses, plus the chaos in the political establishment, so this advantage was no longer so and once everything calmed down it hit 1.4. Real value of the pound is 1.5 or 1.6 USD per pound.
Stabilising economy means we're going to have good days and bad days. It's not going to be stable for a while, but the long-term gains outweigh the short-term instability. The pound is still strong and we've got offers for Free Trade Deals lining up
>Also are these minor ideas get voted sometimes?
Yeah. They do. Because it's very hard for parties to get a majority here.
The parliament has 150 seats. And it happens that a coalition has for example 73 seats. So then they need to ask a small party of 3+ seats to join the coalition.
what exactly are the long-term gains?
you just lost access to the biggest single market in the world. What are the benefits?
Being able to negotiate our own free trade deals with the entire world.
The single market a shit anyway
A while ago the reformed party ruled along, but only on the condition blasphemy stayed illegal and shops wouldn't open on sunday. It happens.
The also demanded government officials didn't have to marry gays. And could just ask someone else to handle to case. Which was accepted.
are you aware that most of your trade is with the EU?
And that your negotiation position will be far worse without having the weight of EU economy behind you?
>The pro-immigration thing is because progressives hate western culture, and they see flooding our countries with foreigners as a way to destroy it.
That's not it. They are just in denial about how bad the world is.
They have the mindset that all the problems in the world are caused by white males. Thus non-whites are their allies. Third worlders are victims of White male imperialism and oppression.
The idea that a third worlder can be "bad" is alien to them.
It's a very naive world view that focuses only on internal American politics and history, and knows nothing about the world.
Too bad Brussels sucks ass at negotiating anything.
So Muslims don't care that left parties are against almost everything that Islam promotes? From women rights to gays.
>pro-immigration thing is because progressives hate western culture
That's bullshit, they are extremely western.
>Nobody is anti-religion. Except for the Islam.
Who is anti-Islam then? Also, what are Wilders opinions on progressive things? How conservative is he?
>get their funding from Wall street
But shouldn't it be conservatives who get it? Conservatives are very pro-capitalist, things they promote, as religion and tradition, are great tools to rule people.
>Anti-racism
So? Our liberals are anti-racist too but being against immigration or religion has nothing to do with racism. I am totally okay with black and brown people and I consider poltards a scum but I think that Islam is very conservative religion so fuck it and I think that immigration harms out salaries and right so fuck immigrants.
Brussel has been doing all the negotiating for UK in the last 30 years.
Britain doesn't even have the administrative manpower to negotiate trade deals
>what are Wilders opinions on progressive things? How conservative is he?
Almost all Dutch parties, besides the reformed party, agree on:
euthanasia, prostitution, gay rights, etc
Wilders and the Christian parties are against legal drugs.
Feminism doesn't exist here.
Wilders hates the Islam because they hate gays, women and freedom. He compares it with a fascist ideology that we need to get rid of.
>Britain doesn't even have the administrative manpower to negotiate trade deals
If Canada, a middle-power country half Britain's size and with a smaller economy can negotiate trade deals on its own, why can't one of the most powerful countries in the world?
because they simply don't have enough lawyers whose speciality is international trade law, since the trade negotiations were done by the EU in the past 30 years.
The Netherlands has the most tax treaties in the world.
>But shouldn't it be conservatives who get it? Conservatives are very pro-capitalist, things they promote, as religion and tradition, are great tools to rule people.
Right and Left wing parties get massive amounts of big money. In American politics it tends to be Oil+Gas companies support the Right and Wall Street is the biggest Democratic supporter. But Wall Street has everyone bought off. That's why financial regulation is impossible to impliment right now.
All the parties are pro-immigration. Big business controls the media and politicians so they ensure that Pro-Immigration = good and anti-immigration is bad.
Look at how the GOP Establishment and media hate Trump. It's primarily because he's anti-immigration and anti-war. He threatens their bottom line and must be eliminated.
GOP has to walk a weird line where they're openly anti-immigration but in the end modestly for immigration.
>So? Our liberals are anti-racist too but being against immigration or religion has nothing to do with racism.
That's now how it's framed in Euro+North America. If you oppose immigration, if you question the whisdom of bringing millions of Muslims over, you are Hitler. You will get shouted down and attacked in the media.
I'm a progressive and I HATE Islam. I hate poor shitty immigrants. I fear that Europe is just replacing one conservative religion with another one, one that is even more conservative than Christianity ever was. My end game for society was mass secularism. Instead it looks more like Mass Islam.
Lol.
What were the memest things passed parliament in recent years?
You describe radical feminists only 2bh as far as I know. Socialists are progressive but with Marxism they should know that some societies are less developed and more backwarded and should be developed rapidly, and should be against all religions, should fight against religious oppression.
>because they simply don't have enough lawyers whose speciality is international trade law
It doesn't really take all that long to train someone in the field, it's a 1-year degree in the UK if you want a master's in law. The UK will also probably pull all of its people out of the EU at the same time, so there won't be a large deficit in skills. That's a small price to pay for getting back control of your own trade agreements.
>most of Muslims in Russia are giant Putin supporters
This is not true. That image of Russian Muslims is pushed by Putin himself and also by our Liberals. But most Muslims I know actually hate Putin. And I will say more, they hate Russia itself.
Just try to visit Chechnya by yourself or speak with Tatar nationalits and you will understand what I am talking about.
>What were the memest things passed parliament in recent years?
I don't know. The Animal Party wanted to ban fish bowls. But that didn't pass.
>You describe radical feminists only 2bh as far as I know. Socialists are progressive but with Marxism they should know that some societies are less developed and more backwarded and should be developed rapidly, and should be against all religions, should fight against religious oppression.
Socialists and communists are irrelevant. Marx is dead.
From the 60's onwards, the far left became devoured by Post-Modernist "Critial Theory" types. You could call it "Cultural Marxism". Marxist theory with economics swapped out for identity politics. These people will say they're anti-capitalism, but only because it's part of the "cisheteropatriarchy". It's all about blamine white people, and specifically white males.
Someone like Bernie Sanders is an anomoly. He's an old school FDR style Socialist. One of the last of his generation. I'm hoping that he sparks a revolution that revitalizes that kind of Socialism that puts economics first before everything.
And funny fact is that our Liberals are trying to denounce federalism in Russia implying that Chechens, Tatars and others cannot make their own decisions about their Republics, which makes these nations hate Liberals as well. 'Cause denouncement of Federalism is also what Putin stands for since he was elected.
So actually in Russia everyone hates everyone.
so they wait 1 year, and then they have a bunch of freshmen who have no practice negotiating, facing a country whose negotiatiors have years of experience.
Doesnt seem like a sound negotiation position to me
>so they wait 1 year, and then they have a bunch of freshmen who have no practice negotiating,
That's not 'experience in international law', they already have lots of people with negotiating skills, plus a fair number skilled in the law who were working for the EU as reps from the UK. As I said, having a slight deficit is a small price to pay for regaining control over your trade agreements.
>Islam is very conservative religion so fuck
And what is wrong with conservatism? Do you really think that all this feminist and LGBT-things are somehow better?
>Wilders and the Christian parties are against legal drugs
Meh, faggot.
But in all the other aspects he is progressive bt Russian measure and would be anti-putinist liberal here.
Hating immigrants is stupid. You should fight against retarded religions (it's not limited with Islam - African Christians are not less retarded and I would choose bosnian or tatar muslim over the ughandian christian) and customs, and you should stand against pro-immigration politicians. You shouldn't hate people enslaved by traditionalism, they are victims who don't acknowledge themselves as victims.
Being against racism means you should stand against morons who unironically believe that some peoples are naturally inferior to the others by nature.
>everyone is payed
Yes, but it has always been like that. But there was no mass immigration to the West before 70s and immigration laws are steadily becoming more and more strict since 80s. I say it as a potential immigrant myself. It was really easy to move to USA in early 90s and it's almost impossible now.
Wilders wanted to sell our Carribean Islands to Venezuela for being corrupt.
I imagine he would want to declare Chechens independent to get rid of them.
>Tatar nationalits
Meme since mid-90s
>Chechnya
Well, they have reasons to hate Russians (still Putin gets 90% in every elections there, and I am sure it's not only rigged - many Chechens unironically love him for defeating pro-Arab wahhabits).
But most of dags or other Muslims are giant Putin fans, not mentioning Middle Asians.
The fact that Bernie was extremely popular and democrats had to fight him out means that you describe just a minority of left wingers who are mostly radical feminists. They may be vocal, but majority of people of left views are not like that. In fact, you can't be like that after reading some Marx because all that bullshit about "patriarchy" is idealist shit, and overwhelming majority of lefts read him at some moment. They just don't have representatives enough because mainstream politicians don't let them in. I can only remember Die Linke current leader in Germany who is real communist who is anti-immigration, Bernie and Corbyn - and they all were tried to be overthrown by capitalist shills inside their own parties.
Read Marxism and national question by Stalin. He said that undeveloped nations shouldn't have the autonomy because they would be enslaved there by the religion and local capitalists so they should live without autonomy to receive progressive influence from developed nations.
Okay, okay. Don't forget to grow a beard and kiss Putin portrait.
Lol, it's unironically what some our liberals called for but it was retarded and everyone has abandoned that now except few especially stupid nationalists. Independent Chechnya would be a wahhabi infested terrorist shithole near our borders so ideas about giving them independence to get rid of them is idiotic.
>sell our Carribean Islands
It's also pretty stupid because you could actually make tourism there.
Sanders is an anomly and might be the last hurrah of economics first style socialists. The Dem party is going to try its hardest to ensure that such a candidate never occurs again. The Democratic Party is where social movements go to die. The Wall Street funded "Third Way" Democrats control the party, and they have a strangle hold on the party.
I would love to be wrong on this, but I just don't see anyone like him coming up again. All the future left wingers coming up are going to be Democrat, and thus tied to the party.
If you want to see the standard left, look at the Green party. They call for open boarders and for an endless stream of refugees. Because Open borders = anti-racist and progressive.
The Far left is full on retard Cultural Marxist.
Most of the Left votes for idiots like Hillary anyways.
>Meme since mid-90s
I don't think so. Their President can be described as actual Nationalist, and also this is why they didn't give up this "president" title. And don't forget about their instant clashes on language issue.
>still Putin gets 90% in every elections there
If this "elections" are real, of course. In Chechnya they will literally kidnap you and hang you if you won't vote for the "right" persons and say everyone what they tell you to say.
>Okay, okay. Don't forget to grow a beard and kiss Putin portrait.
No, thank you. I have no love for Poutin and I think he is neither real conservative nor Russian patriot.
Something similar here in Finland.
Kokoomus our right-wing party, I don't think has ever wanted to lower taxes or help out entrepreneurs/small time businesses to help out the economy. All they do with Keskusta (Center party) is to cut down social security, welfare, socialised healthcare, education etc. which supposedly helps the economy, even though savings from those are quite meager really.
But that's probably due to them being huge EU cocksuckers, so gotta favor the big ones. Both parties are also pro-immigration, hell our Center Party prime minister promised his damn house for "refugees" (surprisingly that did not happen).
So there's the drive down the wages reason too.
Meanwhile True Finns our supposed "conservative" and "EU-critical" turncoat fucks are now neutral at best when it comes to immigration and EU. Hell the fuckers post-poned their official opinion of Brexit to like 2018 or so when Britain is officially out or so. They don't even have guts to stand behind their own words!
Meanwhile Vasemmistoliitto (Left party) has for years in their plans made it clear to help out entrepreneurs and small businesses.
Reading between the lines this can only come from the realisation that they now view enterpreneurs as "them" and not part of ebul money grubbing right since having your own business here can be hell due to all rules, laws, regulations and so on and as usual big ones stomp the small ones - eternal oppression that Left relies on.
They are for LGBTWTFBBQ people and for refugees and what not, the "american new-left" which only covers social issues.
But they are small party so realistically they have no chances to make it big.
That's off top of my head.
Honestly whole left-righty separation needs to die. It is outdated as fuck and tries way too much to simplify things that are not easily simplified.
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>Honestly whole left-righty separation needs to die. It is outdated as fuck and tries way too much to simplify things that are not easily simplified.
That's mostly because people have long since forgotten what left and right means. No policy is inherently one or the other, it's actually far simpler.
Left-wing: Social inequality is bad, social hierarchy should be dismantled and everyone made equal
Right-wing: Social inequality is unavoidable, so instead of bothering with it we should make it so that people are living okay regardless of where they stand in the hierarchy, keeping an orderly society is what's really important
Centre: Strike a balance between left and right by minimizing inequality while keeping society orderly
Policies are left/right/centre if they try and institute one of the above societies, and polices aren't inherently left, right, or centre. If any given policy doesn't try and fulfill one of these things, then it doesn't exist on the spectrum.
Well, choosing from all this shit left party looks less smelly.
The OP doesn't know about the whole Western idea of White guilt and what it implies.
Russia didn't exploit black slaves, therefore, we are free of that guilt complex and are completely unaware of it. For me and you racism is just having prejudices against blacks/chinks/etc.
In the West, however, racism means prejudice+power, i.e. a black person cannot be ever racist, even if he says shit like 'whitey must die'. It is literally considered officially non-racist by the Western standard of racism.
Their collective guilt complex influences politics in a masochistic manner promoting race-mixing and claiming 'we are bad, so we must die'-kind of stuff.
Google white guilt on wikipedia and you'll understand why politics are so shifted in the West.
This also explains the alt-right uprise.
People may not really be 'right', but the insane direction or the left pushes them to the right, which at least promises them not to be bullied by their own 'minorities'.
Their left or so-called SJWs are on a completely different level compared to our liberals, you're just not into Western politics and that's why you're so confused.
Yes, but I still don't understand why is in Russia it's logical and it's not like that in the West. Seriously, you can't be progressive and not be anti-islamic/anti-Christian. Btw there are many left wingers like that in USA too, who are based fedoras who understand that all religions are shit promoting conservatism. But in Europe I can remember only few based politicians like that who are struggling with retards in their own parties. And you can't be conservator and stay against other abrahamic religion promoting same shit as yours. You can't consider yourself good Muslim and vote pro-gay parties. You can't be left and support strikebreaking by immigration which benefits capitalists. Idk why do in Russia people understand it and doesn't understand it in the West because West is way more developed and educated region of the world.
After 1991 there is no more real left parties on the West, only liberals 2bh. But even if we abstain from economy and support progressiveness we can't do illogical things. It works only that way that people start looking at retarded rightists like Trump who would use rhetorics about immigrants and le left supporters of Islam to get in charge and take away all things West had fought for so long: freedom from religion, freedom of thought, social welfare.
Exploitation of black slaves and resulting state-level inferiority complex.
This is the short answer to all your questions.
>It's also pretty stupid because you could actually make tourism there.
We have a lot of tourism on Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao.
Imo whole thing should be replaced and your political views come from combining three main parts.
State/Government
No state/government - Authoritarian dictatorship and everything thats in between,
Economy/Fiscal (taxes, regulations etc.)
Unrestricted free market - State ran planned economy and everything that's in between.
Social views (religion, morals, lgbt, traditions, family etc.)
Unrestircted society, free of constructed morals etc. - Traditionalism/Conservatism and all that's in between.
Problem with current simple separation is that it currently tries to simplify things way too much even though there's as many opinions as there are people.
Say, Right-wing is usually considered conservative as well, for free market and so on.
But what if I'm for free market and hope that our traditions stay but I have no problems with gay people. Am I still conservative even if I don't go with their usual view of gay people?
Or I'm a authoritarian dictator that wants everything under his control except economy (weird, yes but I dont see how that can't be impossible)
What am I then? Right or Left?
Or if I'm for usual Leftist economical views - taxes, want to keep the big ones in control but absolutely loathe gay people. Am I still Leftist even if I don't go with their, current usual views on gay people?
Problem also is that many groups of people are put on to one side just for one or two reasons.
Hell, lets take this current shitshow of SJWs.
They are considered Leftists from the social view standpoint but I've not heard single thing what they think about state/government and economy. They seem to happy to whine from their smartphones and sip Starbucks.
Or how anyone remotely anti-refugee is now a right-wing nazi.
How does these make any sense? Having opinion on one thing does not correlate to your whole view on things.
It's all bunch bullshit, that needs to die. It serves no purpose.
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>race-mixing
Nothing bad in it.
And what you say explains nothing. Yes, white people were disgusting faggots in the past. Racism in the West is still a big problem. But I talk about different things. There is nothing wrong about protecting rights of black people for example. But being anti-Islamic has nothing to do with racism, it's a part of more general struggle with religion, be it Christianity or Islam. It's just another backwarded religion promoting conservatism. In USA for example, most of blacks are Christians as well as in UK. You can protect black people or even Arabs - as nation, but protecting religion is stupid. I would say that sjw movement is "insane", they have many good points, but saying that you should protect Muslims too is extremely stupid.
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Anti-Islam is equated to racism in the West.
Richard Dawkins used to be a "cool scientist guy", like Black Science Man. But he shit talked Islam and the feminists that defend it. For that he got endless hate.
most people do not feel any "white guilt" except the hardest of liberals. what you describe is garbage Sup Forums ideology
I'm with you, westerners don't even know what a liberal is.
Problem is, words are used out of their actual context and definition and muddled for too much usage.
Like, who the cares if you get called fag here?
If the current use of racist/racism continues it will soon be just meaningless buzzword. People aren't gonna put up with it since no matter what you are still racist/problematic/x-phobic etc.
Are you blind?
Out of all words I've written you've randomly torn out "race-mixing".
Protecting minorities is not a bad thing, but do you see the difference between protecting minorities and giving them more power than locals have?
That's my point.
Protecting blacks is one thing.
Saying that whites are bad, which is what SJWs do - is the other thing.
You completely ignored what I said about blacks having an upper hand in racism definition.
Do you think that saying 'all whites must die' is racist?
Because it literally is not, according to Western definition of racism.
And you put "insane" in quotes after that.
Left protects muslims because they are full of self-destructive complex due to the years of slave-abuse by whites. They literally are suicidal and want to replace the Western culture with whatever possible, that's why they cover Islam.
Rightists want to attract more people and they pull the populist card to lure people, who are just afraid of the left under their wing.
Stop reading selectively and read my whole posts, please.
Because you surely just torn out random words from my last one.
That's how I feel about the generous use of the word rape feminists appear to apply.
In a generation you will have people desensitized to the word. Less than a generation.
>If the current use of racist/racism continues it will soon be just meaningless buzzword.
That doesn't work though at all.
>Because it literally is not, according to Western definition of racism.
But it is. Only hardcore liberals would say it isn't. Most black people I know would even say it is. The only places I've seen where that is considered a truth is Sup Forums and Tumblr blogs Sup Forums link to.
It's pretty clear to me that 90% of your information on western society comes from there.
Again.
Racism in your countries is literally defined as 'power + prejudice'. I am not making this up.
It renders anyone racially harassing whites not guilty of anything.
This is not equality and 'protection of minorities', but literal masochism.
Equality would mean that any person of color or not should not exhibit prejudicious behaviour, which is clearly not about your leftist definition.
Your liberals are not liberals in the original European sense, but literally the reverse counterpart of extreme nationalism.
Insted of murdering others you give free permits to murder yourself.
And no, again, it has nothing to do with equality and being non-prejudicious as it is the same inequality as nationalism would be, except minorities are put in charge.
Because both Russia and the West has different histories and political backgrounds, which means our and their "lefts" and "rights" should have different views on basic questions, it is actually simple as fuck.
Stop labeling people and movements like you do, this is the reason you cannot understand what your opponents say to you.
en.m.wikipedia.org
I guess Wikipedia is also 'rightist'.
>55 Savushkina Street, St Petersburg
This sounds waay to much like politics in turey.
Almost the same fucking shit infact, just change ''islam'' with ''arabs''
The Left has always been internationalist, progressist and universalist. The Right has always been nationalist, conservative and localist.
At some point in the past came along some right-wingers and cherry picked the internationalism of the Left and applied it to moneys (and moneys only, fuck workers rights lol), the progressism and applied it to social engineering for moral relativism (without giving 2 fucks about the content itself, it's just a useful tool to mess up the classes and society for population control and extra shekels) and the universalism and applied it to le globalization of les corporations and consumer market goyim universal cultural domination (and for this globalization of blablabla only, ofc)
It's called the anglo neo-lib revolution. Yes, they never never stop fucking up the world.
The Left in turn pulled a '>tfw when cucked now', but instead of cucking back in anger and cherrypick some of the tradirional Right position in a very fucked up way as retaliation, it either pull a surrenderedmonkey and became what used to be call a moderate/centrist party (i.e the Labour Party, the SPD, the Parti Socialist, etc) or went full metal gear into the ideological barricades reinterpreting their classic core values not in positive manner but in a political warfare manner. Fuck corporations, fuck globalization, fuck religion and fuck your mom too. So from your point of view, Anatoly Vadim Vassilevich, seems illogical to be lefty/liberal and support immigrants. But for their point of view, internationalist warfare mode on, the madafaka isn't the nigga that comes from Chad to take un-traded jobs in muh country and enrich me with his culture, but the madafaka neolib dominant global establishment that had implemented the rules under which Ahmed Al-Ahmediyyad, Johnny Burger and Anatoly Anatolevich play, turn against, and get fucked anyway. So the lad from Chad is not to be the enemy, but an ally against the enemy.
You're welcome.
Any coherent argument is also easily thrown off in such political climates, because it is automatically rendered 'well, you're a Sup Forumstard, thus you're wrong'.
The sole fact that the people, who are literal inferiority complex incarnate are labeled 'liberals' tells you that something is clearly wrong.
There's a clear difference between just forgiving yourself and learning from mistakes of the past and guilt-circlejerk, which undeniably exists in the Western society and harms it more than it does good.
All these alt-rightists are a backfire to the ignored insanity, not something unexplainable and miracluous.
People engulfed themselfes in this to crush their own good civilization.
I guess it had to happen.
And I, somebody who was born and raised in "my country", know that racism is taught to and seen by most people as thinking less of somebody because of their skin color. Which isn't exactly the proper definition anyways, but doesn't discount white people from being victims of racism.
Yes, our liberals have a large focus on identity politics, but only a very small minority take it to the extremes you claim is the norm.
t. somebody with over 20 years experience in the western world
I won't insist anymore, as you probably know better about your country.
It is just my opinion that identity politics will ruin the West eventually, I may be, and I actually hope that I am wrong.
>t. somebody with over 20 years experience in the murrican world
Fixed for you
>Nationalist Leftism will never be a thing
>tfw main political forces are either right or center right
>tfw the closest we have to a left is a center-left party (but not commie) that gets ~2% of the votes
He is correct. You got info about politics in th west from pol, but it's obviously biased far right resource. Read broader. There are people like that but it's minority who defines nothing.
Russia is an orthodox Turkey 2bh. Talking seriously, we both are former 2-tier empires with Byzantium heritage who passed strict westernization and now have similar economy development level so it's not a miracle our politics look similar.
Dawkins is cool guy btw. I see no point in calling it racism, lol, most of Christians are not white too, so criticism towards Christianity should be called racism then too. It's retarded. I am totally okay with Arabs or black people, I just hate Islam as any other religion because they promote conservatism. Liberals and left wingers among Arabs criticize Islam and call for secularism, are they racists towards themselves?
It's a giant problem that after 1991 West has lost all the based left wing parties. I think if there would be real socialist parties which would be anti-immigration, strictly anti-religious and pro-social state, anti-racist and pro-LGBT they would kick out retarded alt.rightists in a moment.
>Liberals and left wingers among Arabs criticize Islam and call for secularism, are they racists towards themselves?
That's okay because it's brown people talking about brown people.
White people are never allowed to say anything critical of brown people. It's called "Punching down". Because they have priviledge and they're attacking someone weaker than them.
Explain this
Islam is not a religion of brown people, there are tons of white Muslims on the planet. And if you can talk about problems with crime in black ghettos why can't you talk about religion? Also black people are Christians. Talking about problems with Christianity should be racism too. Talking about Catholicism should be racism towards Latinos then. It's retarded.
Nationalists in Russia are totally retarded people. Many of them aren't even Russians and support that shit because of identity crisis. Many nationalists supported liberals in the past because of anti-immigration attitudes of liberals but now they are pro-Putin because Putin is viewed by them as le savior of Russian people in Ukraine.
>many left wingers are pro immigration while it's pure strikebreaking
Well, maybe uzbek can outwork russian people and work for less money, but in western case, I mean, fucking somalis aren't gonna work for less money than a swedish or finnish. They just want that welfare money.
It'd be different if the immigrants were, let's say, japanese or korean I think. People who actually do work for less money than western people.
>Islam is not a religion of brown people,
Arabs and Muslim are used interchangeably in Western media. In the West the vast majority of Muslims are brown people.
>And if you can talk about problems with crime in black ghettos
You have to be very careful, and frame it as
>Oh those poor blacks. They get arrested so much by the evil police.
rather than saying
>black people cause significantly more crime than other groups.
>why can't you talk about religion?
You can't. Most Liberals are Religious, or are very protective of it. They say taht the problem is with "Extremist" or "Fundamentalists" rather than religion per se. They say Atheists and Fundamentalist Christians are just as bad as each other. When you talk about Islam, you throw the specter of racism into the mix, and they will shout you down. They bend over backwards to defend Islam
>Talking about problems with Christianity should be racism too.
Christianity is the majority religion and majority white. It's encouraged on the left to tackle it.
As I said before, to understand the far left and left mindset, Majority = evil, minority = good. Christianity is evil and Islam is good. I've had arguments where I try to bring up criticism of Islam and they say they don't want to hear any of that, or dismissively call me Trump.