If people are born gay, how come there are identical twins with the same DNA, who have different sexualities?

If people are born gay, how come there are identical twins with the same DNA, who have different sexualities?

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Because gender is a social construct, check your privileges and my dubs you shitlord

Epigenetics

Oooh that's interesting, thanks!

Because sexuality is learned and a choice. There's no gay gene.

Having the gay is a mental illness not a genetic flaw...

/thread

one of them's is a liar.

There is no gay gene. Gays are made from personal experiences because we all start off the same dumb shit babies. We learn from what's around us and the experiences we have growing up. Take language as an example. A gook baby can grow up only speaking English if it grows up in that environment

What's up with all the gay propaganda suddenly?

gene expression in utero obvs

seems to be influenced by birth order btw suggesting it has to do with hormone balance

So when did you choose to be attracted to women? As in, was there a period during which you thought "man, both women and men are equally attractive to me, but I don't want to be a fag, so I'll magically start being attracted only to women"?

After all the redpills Milo has been throwing around, including this one, I'm starting to believe it's at least partly the case

My guess is around 1/3 genetic/hormonal predisposition, 1/3 no strong male role model, and 1/3 perversion (i.e. choice)

Some people are probably born destined to grow up Gay, others are likely influenced by their upbringing

There isn;t actually a definitive answer on the question and anyone who makes some sort of absolute statement about it doesn;t know what they are talking about.

>Tfw aussie identical twin.

Being an identical twin is some of the funniest shit I love it.

Perversion isn't a choice when you're surrounded by it, just like getting a disease isn't a choice when you live in a literal shithole.

See Brazil for both cases.

To answer the question with twin studies where one is straight and one is gay though, it is clear that upbringing can be one method through which people become homosexual. Otherwise this would never happen.

>Slavic shitstain saying anything
tl:dr

redflagnews.com/headlines/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic

Epi genetics, apparently.

Check it out. Its quite interesting. Also explains why cancerous genetics mean a risk of cancer rather than certainty of cancer.

wouldn't be so sure about it. What if both of them were on the brink of gay/hetero and the metabolism wasn't exactly the same due to randomness in development or slightly different amount of bloodstream from the mother?

Why do you ask this on Sup Forums? You can do the research on what science says yourself. We are more concerned about how to deal with it and what the effects are on society. The cause is irrelevant for Sup Forums.

>I'll magically start being attracted only to women"?
No magic here, friend. Gays are just trying to look for attention. You think people actually like the same sex? No, they will always imagine having sex with the opposite sex. They don't like reality and want to escape from it by being gay. No one is actually gay. It's a primal instinct to be straight and always will be.

It is your choice, you're just too weak and pathetic to do anything about it, so you give in to it

>a fucking leaf
Not surprising that you're unable to read two sentences without being interrupted by your wife asking you to prep the bull.

Are ducks just looking for attention too?

It's not certain of course, but it does lend it a lot of support.

because behaviour=genetics+environment

it's the same as cloning some banana plants and putting one in sunlight and the other one in a sealed pot...

one of the twins likely experienced a different youth/w.e.

this is basic genetics we get this shit at school when we're 17 how retarded are you?

You can't separate this shit into fractions nigger. Go back to the first grade.

Only one was molested

Being weak and pathetic isn't a choice either. Most succumb to temptation because they are weak in the first place and also because it's delicious.

Animals have sex with each other because they have an urge to mate no matter what. Whether it is a male or female. Yet, all of them are still straight.

Both were, one loved it

that's true. I think a lot or most of this is very early on, too.

They're more likely to share sexualities though, so there's some pre-natal effect occuring

That's because genetic code only gives you characteristics and tendencies, maybe physical markings, but you ain't an animal and your brain can change things.

>No, they will always imagine having sex with the opposite sex
kek, what? I like men with chiseled bodies, not women. Vaginas are fucking disgusting.

that's not true, there are gay primates

You don't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex because that is literally what you are wired for. You choose to be gay.

The entire drive of life is to continue on your genes. If you choose to be gay or not to have kids it's because you are a degenerate special snowflake.

I don't know which pisses me off more. No kids, or fags.

>pol not understanding basic science
>what is epigenetics

>No, they will always imagine having sex with the opposite sex
>They don't like reality and want to escape from it by being gay.
>No one is actually gay

Citation needed, my friend.

there are studies that show that most gays have an 'initiating experience' in their youths

some people like to quietly ignore that fact because they fear discrimination

>You don't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex because that is literally what you are wired for. You choose to be gay.
Then why have I always liked other guys and never felt anything for a woman? Yet I still want kids.

>In the early 1960s, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) acquired property in a rural area outside Poolesville, Maryland. The facility that was built on this property housed several research projects, including those headed by Calhoun. It was here that his most famous experiment, the mouse universe, was created.[1] In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the habitat. The habitat was a 9-foot (2.7 m) square metal pen with 4.5-foot-high (1.4 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh "tunnels." The "tunnels" gave access to nesting boxes, food hoppers, and water dispensers. There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space.

>Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly, doubling only every 145 days. The last surviving birth was on day 600, bringing the total population to a mere 2200 mice, even though the experiment setup allowed for as many as 3840 mice in terms of nesting space. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments

I think all men at least are wired to want sex.

What they want sex from is probably heavily influenced by their environment and experiences.

Oh look the same belgian faggot from yesterday.
>sage goes into the options fiels

No. There is homosexual behavior between animals, but that is the urge to put their dick in something. If there were gay primates, I would like to know if there are any lesbian animals out there. I have never heard of any.

Depends which one is the pilot and which one is the navigator.

Being gay is a mental illness.

Oh, so your claims were baseless after all. Can't say I'm surprised.

Its probably multifactorial:

*Genetic disposition towards high estrogen and low T (i.e. no will to dominate)

*Low T and high estrogen because nowadays people are encouraged to be passive, not exercise (higher bodyfat -> aromatization of T to estrogen, and androgenizing effects of heavy training absent)

*Xenoestrogens

*High dopamine (when you're on stims you could be sexually attracted to a garden gnome)

*Immune system of mother attacks fetus and mother releases estrogen to 'hide it'.

*Toxoplasmosis

*Chimerism making fetuses brain have some female DNA

*Being molested (early association between being dominated and sexual arousal)

*Being around only boys when growing up e.g. boarding school (since you're horny, you'll probably be attracted to some twink boy)

*No father figure (not being pushed towards being dominant)

*Society promoting degeneracy (if you are bi, its easier to fuck a guy than girl. then when you've done so enough you tell yourself that you are actually full gay and were just confused earlier)


I bet if a gay person injected testosterone for few years, took estrogen blockers and took drugs which promote neuroplasticity, many of them would become bi/straight within five years. In fact I've read that many people who transition have a change in their sexuality when they get on hormones.

My fucking dick.

These guys are handsome as fuck.

the other twink just didn't come out yet

Well of-course there is no real source out there for my claim, goyim. The Jews don't want you knowing about this.

>there are studies that show that most gays have an 'initiating experience' in their youths
There are studies that show most Catholics were raped by Priests in their childhood and most Protestants were tortured and raped by their parents in their childhood.

>tfw you're twink top and love bottom muscel dads

This fucking guy

>hormones could make you less gay

I read a screen cap of some Female to Male trans becoming interested in STEM after starting hormones.

I could totally believe they effect sexuality in some way.

Any self hating /LGBT/ fags care to chime in ?

Bonobos

literally none of those things are true. user is speculating out his ass, like the anons that post 1960 -1980 data and claim it's fact

how come trannies have different brain scans based on their estrogen and testie levels? doesn't that mean birth genes have someothing to do with it?

Because it isn't entirely genetic, however sperated twin studies show it is partially genetic

Because faggotry is a psychological malfunction at about age 2 during ego formation; a fucked up differentiation from the mothers ego. It's a bodily narcissism. Faggots aren't attracted to men in the same sense that men are to women: the sexual object of attraction for them is a body like their own.

There are other types, I guess, but that's the main one. Even the ancient Greeks knew faggotry was narcissism-- a profound ego disorder manifested in a disturbed physical self-love. Narcissus wanted to fuck the dude he saw in the water but didn't know he was really looking at himself. Then he turned into a flower, because fags are gay. The Greeks understood.

Psychologists understood this perfectly fine since forever until the Jews decided to politicize it and make us stupid.

Leftist logic:

>You're born gay!
>Everything is a social construct

Interesting point user

More T, better at "mental rotation" and visual spatial tests.

>tfw bi and doesn't dare to pick this kind of subject here because of >inb4 Sweden yes

its very common for twins to do incestuous stuff growing up.

Because its caused by hormones and not genetics. In the womb, twin fetuses can get different hormone distributions.

dude how is fetal hormones not genetic wtf

theres no gay gene, its just a matter of how your brain is wired,based on your experience.

>Then he turned into a flower, because fags are gay. The Greeks understood.
keked

Hormone displacement in the womb is not genetic whatsoever. Genetic is simply the combination of genes from the mother and father. What goes on in the womb is technically environmental.

Do you get old bisexual people? Or do they kind of age out of it and end up picking one way or the other?

Homosexuality is degenerate and severely disordered from the natural order.

How's that for a definitive statement, you fucking authoritarian?

Actually, it's more likely that the gay gene is environment dependent and must be actived very early on in development. Still, it should be astronomically rare for one identical twin to be gay and the other not.

Clearly because your a faggot.

Was on board till the Chimerism. Nope, nope, nope, not a scientifically relevant thing.

Because faggotry is a choice steeped in metal illness, not some mysterious genetic component.

Also your closing statement is fact;

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11605311

There is no proof behavior is genetic in cognitive brings. That's all politically motivated pseudoscience with an agenda.

Faggotry results from metal illness.

Because being gay is a meme.

Can you prove the "straight" brother isn't simply a closeted faggot?

Thought so.

>why do i want to suck cock and raise a child at the same time?
>you can't explain that!
Here's your explanation: Nature (=/=genetics)
For years, they've tried to find a "gay gene" and they can't. Why? Because it doesn't exist.
Because being gay is a result of "environmental" factors (i.e. parent interrelationships, watching porn, even just being exposed to sexually provocative material all your life from the time you were a little child)
In the end, it's a choice.

Here is the thing. Gayness is both something that is genetic and can be programmed. So if we wanted the naturally occurring gayness to die out we would make it as acceptable as cherry pie to be a homo so they stopped reproducing. The reason I believe this to be true is often times in families where someone is gay but closeted and has children those children have a much higher percentage of being gay even if he remained in the closet until his death bed.

Where did you earn your degree in genetics? I earned mine several years ago a shave worked in the field for a decade.

There is no evidence that homosexuality is genetically based. All the hypothesis are clouded in political correctness governed by a political and social agenda.

I suggest you stop speaking on tops through your ass and do some research.

>NFSS

88 out of 248 of the respondents that were counted as "Parents are of the same sex" responded that their parents were never in a same sex relationship while they were living with them though they had same sex relationships while they were growing up, ie their parents divorced and they ended up with the straight parent but they were still counted as having parents of the same sex

Source
>prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-study-design.pdf
>a. Parents are of the same sex
219 active and 29 withdrawn panelists, from Page 3
>prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-codebook.pdf
>S8 Did you ever live with your mother while she was in a romantic relationship with another woman?
40 said no, from Page 4
>S9 Did you ever live with your father while he was in a romantic relationship with another man?
48 said no, from Page 4
Yes, that is the official study results

No, it is likely. But you're right that there's no actual hard evidence. Just some signs.

Because they didn't get the InfoWars water filters mang

Shut the fuck up... you must have a low ass IQ.

okay. and?

I said that being gay was affected by parent interrelationships.

If I meant what you're thinking I meant, I would've just said "being gay is affected by whether parents are gay or not"

oh I see now, the image I posted did. Sorry about that, I haven't verified those sources or really looked into it.

I do know however, that non-traditional families (i.e. anything other than a mother and father raising their child) have dramatic affects on the kids they raise, including influencing sexual promiscuity and/or homosexual attraction later in life.

But like I said before, being gay is a choice. Like all things, it is influenced by environmental factors.

It doesn't matter if we were born this way or chose to, either way its just a random attribute about me and many other people, no bigger than my preference of vanilla or chocolate, which means there's not much reason to center my personality around it or shame other people for it

There are lots of twin sisters that are both genetically prone to the same kind of breast cancer, but only one of them does.

I think it's genetic in a way that it's a predisposition.

because being separated from other family members at birth is part of a totally normal upbringing

yup, this is the truth. you're rarely see someone with an iq above 90 on pol posting simple truths like this. thanks user.

effects*

For example
the absence of a father (or even a father figure) in the house has dramatic effects on factors like:
early pregnancy,
unplanned pregnancy,
increased likelihood of becoming a single mother,
psychological and emotional difficulties,
etc.

To say that a child's likelihood of choosing one sexual orientation over another is not affected by their parents and the role their parents play in their life (even if non-biological)... that is a far-fetched idea to me

Wow, you are so stupid it's funny.. haha

People who grow up with gay parents feel more OPEN to come out sooner to their parents. Do you know how many straight parents have issues with a gay son or daughter? That percentage of people saying "my child is straight" might still be in the closet BECAUSE of their parents..

And the reason they do worse is because of society, especiallyt then. Most people who were raised by same sex couples back then couldn't marry, were discriminated, probably left dead by THEIR family, which is why they need financial support.

You just love looking at random stats and making your OWN conclusions. Most gay people were raised in STRAIGHT families, you retard. I'm gay myself, never fucking molested or any of that, straight parents the whole bit. And I'm still a virgin lol so i'm definitely not promiscuous. Grow the fuck up.

Bonobos are just sluts though. It's less about being homosexual and more about just fucking the closet thing when I'm in the mood. Plus the oral is more about power dominance and sexual release than anything. They're just nature's degenerate hedonists.

what happens when China finishes their experiments with gene editing and we can make designer babies?

Someone says "remove the gay gene from my child, i do not want them to be gay"

Then we will know once and for all if there really is a gay gene, because the doctor will either say ok i will remove it or there is no such thing i can't do that.

They are Correcting The Record, but since about half are gay they CTR on homosexuality rather than Trump.

We live in a world of degeneracy and look for every and all plausible excuses to justify our behaviors.

Genetics is a convenient avenue to justify those behaviors.

You're a fat slob because you simply eat too much an don't work out... Nope, it's your genetics (it's not your fault).

You're not a fag because you suffer from a mental illness or are subconsciously dealing with a traumatic experience (e.g the rape victim who becomes a lesbian). Nope, it's the gay gene!

You're not a criminal simply because you're a piece of shit... Nope... It's the crime gene!

Genetics is being used as a tool to justify behaviors that are anti-norms.

People, who know little to nothing about science, are easily lead to believe the shit-science spouted by CNN and the like.