WRITING TAKES MORE SKILL THAN DRAWING

>WRITING TAKES MORE SKILL THAN DRAWING

It doesnt¿

>frogposting

You have to go back.

-Jack "The Hack" Morrison
-Andrew "What Are Endings" Hussie

Good drawing can't save shit writing.

People in general have an easier time forgiving shitty writing than shitty art.
I assume that is why writing is "easier".

Said no one ever.

You're right but so is I am also of the opinion that writer-artist synergy is extremely important, so the right artist needs the right writer or vice-versa. Excellent comics are also made by a single person but this is an enormous workload and can backfire.

I like the webcomic format for this reason: it makes a single author for a comic more plausible by letting them set their own schedules.

No one says it requires more skill, I think it's just often said to be more important.

Good art with shit writing is Bendis

Oh yes it can just look at post elegy batwoman

>taking the bait

>you can write anythinf with wolverine, Batman and Dr Doom and plebs eat it up
> you can draw pic related and plebs eat it up
The real work is in the music for the movie and animated series franchises.

>WRITING TAKES MORE TALENT THAN DRAWING

Here, i fixed it for you

Wouldn't you just listen to the soundtrack on the web instead of wasting your time with the animation?

That's like saying the circle is an objectively better shape than the square.

They require different skills and kinds of effort.

Why are artfags always trying to shit on writers?

What about Ava's Demon?

i can kinda see where hes coming from

im currently entering a competition where we present 5 pages of a story, im doing art and friend is doing writing

the script writing probably took him like 40 minutes and the art is gonna take me 4 weeks

Because most of writers are pretentious joykillers. They think taking pictures of their cats next to their 10 dollar coffee and shitty YA book is "art.

Evangelion was good though. Not so much for the art, but the mech design was great.

This was literally said by the Homestuck-Man.
Who couldn't write for shit by the end of his run and half-assed his own ending.

He's currently leaving his 2.5 Million kick-starter game's writing in the hands of someone he found on Twitter because he liked their tweets.

but pic related looks good

That's most artistic types in general, though.

Who gives a shit?

That's fair, but time spent doesn't necessary equal skill/talent. Your half definitely took more effort, I agree, but who's to say his part didn't take more talent or skill justb ecause it's not readily apparent.

I think the issue with writing is that it's not as immediately impressive as art.

In order for you to decide if a piece of art is impressive, all you need to do is look at it for a minute.

On the other hand, you need to sit yourself down and take in a piece of writing from beginning to end to finally decide whether or not it was impressive.

All in all, though, I think trying to compare the two is futile. They're as different as different can be and in this medium and others they work best in conjunction with each other.

That said, I've always been more inclined towards writing, so I can always enjoy a comic with bad art and good writing but I can never enjoy a comic with good art and bad writing. Might as well just be flicking through a picture portfolio imo

>implying there aren't a number of pretentious artists jerking themselves off over a blank canvas with a handprint on it or some deep and edgy bullshit that makes them feel clever

stones in glass houses

Ok Mr. Enter we get it...

>Art takes talent

>writing takes talent
Example: Your picture.
What a beautiful specimen of shit from both sides.

Theres a reason books are more popular than comics user.

Drawfags are nothing special even when you find a good one they can be easily replaced by someone else and no one would really give a shit.

Why do people give money to homeless people? The greatest kindness you can give to the less fortunate, such as writers, is just simple validation, senpai.

good paneling is the most important thing about comics

T.V and cinema is far more popular than books.

Except for Marvel methods, this isn't true at all. Artists are more like craftsmen nowadays.

Writing has a lower skill threshold but higher ceiling than illustration

>Theres a reason books are more popular than comics user.
I'm sure the fact that books have existed for millenia while comics are barely a century old and have a "non-mature" aura attached to them that discourages sales, or the horribly fucked up western distribution system they're subject to has nothing to do with it. Nope, not a thing. Not even a factor to bother considering.

Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens.

illustration supports the writing not vice versa. something can be pretty as fuck but if it has no substance it's dead.

Nah. Such thing as a ceiling is too subjective as is held within the confines of the genre or technique you define in it.

In a videogame art and gameplay are far more important than writing.

This

Anyone CAN write, true, but most of them will be mediocre at best and when someone can really write it can connect with people in ways that drawings can't.

Meanwhile, drawing is something not everyone can do and which requires a special kind of skill/talent just to be passable at, but can rarely reach the same level of emotional depth and connectibility as writing without taking on some kind of narrative structure, at which point it becomes a mixture of art and writing.

That said, we'll never live in a world where writers are more appreciated by the general public than artists simply because art requires less intellectualism and deep observation.

Really tried to type that last part without sounding like a douche.

we're in Sup Forums bro beans. comics and cartoons but yeah there's always a exception.

when was the last time you played a good non-casual video game that didn't have a decent narrative.

Art can turn into writing so seamlessly that a lot of artists (particularly the ones who look down on writers) scarcely even notice it happening.

>26 posters
Tell me, how is Sup Forums so baitable?

>when was the last time you played a good non-casual video game that didn't have a decent narrative.
Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator.
As a game it's fucking amazing, the story is typical anime bullshit up to 11.

in all fairness, it's gone from bait to a serious discussion of the merits of art and writing in media

with some bait laced in, of course

Writers are less necessary. Drawfags can work in animation and comic books but also in videogames, publicity, TCG, smartphone apps, technical books, websites and a million of other things. Writers are only needed if something require a story heavy element.

But books are high art while tv and cinema are for illiterate plebs.
Also, great cinema is more about plot and less about cool explosions, the 'visual medium' argument is a meme.

>the 'visual medium' argument is a meme
The irony of you talking about illiterates,

writers can work in video games, advertising, TCG, websites, technical books and a bunch of other industries too, though, unless you're rigorously confining writing to writing narratives, which doesn't seem fair unless you also confine artists to drawing pictures

I feel like the stance you're taking requires you to already have a negative view of writers prior to assessing their viability in the industry.

>Writers are only needed if something require a story heavy element.
I'm an Illustrator and you're wrong there. While the market for writing is a bit smaller, writers also work on things such as TV commercials, ghost writing, localization, adaptations, speeches, campaign slogans, scripts of any kind, etc.
You're linking writing fully into just narrative writing.

>Expecting good story from a fighting game
Your first mistake

The best comics have good art and good writing.

The best cartoons have good art and good writing

The best video games, movies, anime, manga, tv and even advertisements have a mixture of narrative and artistic vision and each and everyone one of them would be significantly worse if we lost one or the other.

Why make it a competition? It's a community.

Yeah, because the greatest movies could have been published as books without the need of visual shit.

>Writers confuse being good at storytelling for actually writing.
The Illiad is concidered one of the greatest works of fiction ever made by man, and it was originally told orally. Good "Writers" are actually people who can come up with great ways to execute ideas, writing is simply a way of recording their ideas. The term "writer" and verb "writing" is simply flat out wrong, it should be storytellers and storytelling.

And what's the matter with Writter/artist like Mignola or Terry moore

Did a writer rape you or something?

I'm detecting some genuine salt towards writers, here.

>You will never be good at writing and drawing
>You will only ever be good at one or the other

Most writers are shit. Most artists are shit too. The difference is that everyone thinks they can write, while most are not delusional enough to think they can draw.

So you end up with shitty writers who continue getting work simply because they've been in the business a long time. And anyone starting nowadays is usually an artist first, and thus focuses their practice on that, since they assume that, because they have ideas, that means they can write.

Nobody gives a shit about what makes the medium unique. The timing of comedy or drama in frames, drawing the reader's eye, panel composition- nobody cares. It's all just flat shots of people standing still or doing a body-breaking pose, and exposition delivered primarily through dialogue, or incredibly clumsy visual cues that would get railed for their ham-handed nature if they were done in any other medium. Well, I shouldn't say NO ONE cares, but definitely very few.

Hope that all didn't sound TOO pedantic.

You're not wrong.

But in this case I think writers have been lumped in with storytellers since the argument of the artists seem to be that narrative as a whole is insignificant in comparison to art.

Writing sexy orc on elf femdom is really hard you dumb frogposter

It's funny, sometimes I'd read a porn comic/doujin with pretty shit art but something about its story is so addictive it becomes a favorite.
Sometimes it's the other way around.
Just my two fap cents.

No, It's journalists I'm angry about. They could probably write an interesting article about an actual event, but they can't come up with an interesting story.

On the contrary, user, you made a very insightful post.

And even though you've pointed out most are not delusional enough to think they can draw, I would argue that we're getting the same kind of clogging of the medium with shitty artists who don't care for the intricacies of their work or who flat out suck at it.

I can't tell you how many books I've read where the art just doesn't pop at all. There's no flow of movement or creativity. It's just by the numbers schlock made to be passable.

>tfw you come to jerk it but you end up staying for the story

it's a magical, confusing moment that escapes all reason and logic

you're just sitting there with your pants around your ankles intently reading a story about a guy who stops time and fuckes with normies without touching yourself in the slightest

writing is the multiplier and foundation.
take a comic with good art and bad writing you'll read it and it'll feel off. you feel like you just wasted your time. bad art plus good writing is more passable. if you follow artists over writers you'll see the quality difference.

Writing is just about doing your homework or trying to tell a good story. Research and perspective are the only things often omitted by hack writers.

Drawing has much steeper learning curve though and unless we're talking about writing code, writing is far from equal to it in terms of that.

The ones that always get me are the gender swap ones.

It's like, I just came here to see a guy turn into a chick and play with "her"self or whatever. But now she's having to deal with her period and has to pay bills so she sells her body for cash and ends up getting pregnant, but her ex is a futa now and now they're getting married and taking care of their baby boy with some occasional sex parts when they aren't both working or doing baby stuff-

Like WHAT the FUCK how did I get here!?

Don't even get me started on the one where it's a virus and his best friend has to try and not fall for him. Fuckin' EMOTIONS.

I don't think I'll ever understand people who can read something with good art despite abysmal writing. I can get reading something with good art and mediocre writing, but outright bad writing is where I'd usually just get bored.

Come on, share with the class.

There is still some decent writing behind some of the characters there, mate
>"The person who just solved the truth of the universe, and the person who just saw a flower bloom in their garden. Who do you think is happier? There's no answer. But I can tell you this: The person who begins calculating risk is neither. You keep looking down like that, all your happiness will run away"

ok kids here's one for you: whos more degenerate, writers or artists?

>that pic
>tfw it's the opposite for me

Hmm...
I think I'm going with artists.

oh, writers, definitely

artists can draw a fucked up picture of some fucked up shit, but a really degenerate writer who knows how to be descriptive can be truly, deeply perverted on a profound and intricate level

Because writers are generally credited with a successful series more so than any artist. Writefags tend to treat artists as some kind of incidental worker to a writer's vision, and that the "real" work of a comic is in the writing, which is silly and wrong. Alan Moore's limey ass would still be writing shitty Victorian fanfic if Gibbons and Bolland hadn't taken his scripts and made something visually compelling with them, for example, yet Killing Joke and Watchmen are considered Alan Moore's works for some reason.

I'm working on a story about an elf "boy" whose caravan is raided by orcs and he's taken as a slave by the female war chief. I'm working on the lore stuff right now and I've written a chapter about the boy watching the chief and another Orc fight for the right to lead while the opponent makes lewdness at the boy. it's mostly gonna be body worship stuff with some focus on her scars.

>thinking skills are quantifiable

That's one way to look at it.

Another would be that Gibbons and Bolland wouldn't have been able to have the opportunity to express their visually compelling art in those stories without Moore laying the foundation for their work to flourish with his scripts, which I'm sure had more than a few pointers and directions for creating visually poignant and compelling pages.

For instance, I doubt the final scene of Killinbg Joke with Batman and the Joker laughing as the sirens fade out was Bolland's idea. IT's much more likely that Moore had a vision for what he wanted the panels to look like and Bolland helped bring that vision to life.

Sounds interesting even though I'm not into body worship.

>That said, we'll never live in a world where writers are more appreciated by the general public than artists

Which names are more recognized by the comic reading public:

Alan Moore, Mark Millar, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis, Warren Ellis

or

Dave Gibbons, Leinil Yu, Frank Quitley, Steve Dillon, Darick Robertson

>comitting murder and arson

>medium involves both art and writing
>one is more important than the other
pick one

>comic books, a medium which is well known for being all but dead, is representative of general consensus

the general public cant name 3 comic artists

but even a normie could namedrop stan lee

Varg did, literally, nothing wrong,

It's one thing to write "The Joker emerges from the water, his face irrevocably changed and insane" and it's completely another to visually realize it. Moore's never spoken very highly of his work on Killing Joke, and yet, prior to the filmed versions of Batman, the most compelling image of anything Batman related was Bolland's depiction of the laughing mad Joker.

And yet, Bolland wouldn't have drawn a thing without Moore's story.

It's also gonna be kinda lore heavy for pornography.

>>comic books, a medium which is well known for being all but dead, is representative of general consensus

>A medium that's been "almost dead" for four decades doesn't having a reading public.

Because the ones working in comics are shit writers who couldn't make it in the actual industry.

You're deluding yourself if you think comic books has anything but a relatively small, dwindling fanbase.

Here are two scenarios:

Both Moore and Bolland are told "Write and draw a Batman story". Who is more fucked? That's your answer as to which of the two are more necessary to the other.

Still movin' the goalposts, broheim

Have you heard of Wayne Barlowe? Danuiel LuVisi? Pascal Blanché, Sam Nielson, Jean Giraud, Frank Fazetta, Stan Winston, Ralph McQuarrie, John Howe?
No one gives a fuck about concept artists, even though they are the creative core of visual medias.

Moore will write me a good story with shit to passable art.

Bolland will write me a mediocre at best story with great art.

History has taught me that I prefer the former.

basically fanfiction.net vs deviant art.

have you seen alan moore's scripts, friendo? specifically the killing joke one.
he fucking drew with words all bolland had to do was trace

Considering how good stories are so rare while "good" art is by the thousands, then i'd say yes, writing takes more skill than drawing..

A good artist can tell a story without writing. A writer can't do jack shit without an artist. If you genuinely prefer good writing with bad art to good art with bad writing then congrats: you're why comics are so ugly to look at.

This.

When you look at some comic book scripts like Alan Moore's or Rick Remender's, the writers are practically painting the entire page with highly descriptive language and visions of what it'll look like right down to the panel composition.

All the artist really has to do is take what the writer already drew and put it on the page.

If you prefer Alan Moore's textual description of Joker to Bolland's visual representation then comic books MIGHT not be the best medium for you.