But ISI (before they moved to Syria they were just the Islamic State of Iraq) was around killing American soldiers and marines in Iraq before Obama even was a presidential candidate.
ISI was a merger between Al Qaeda remnants in Iraq and several local militant groups, starting sometime in 2006 or 2007.
It was indirectly created by Bush, due to his invasion of Iraq creating a power vacuum, if any blame can be placed on the US at all in its creation it's indirect.
I'm just getting sick of the meme when I remember that flag in 2007 and 2008 when I was there.
Logan Scott
Kek. It's a rhetorical device to say Obama's foreign policy allowed ISIS to spread.
Please keep trying to correct Trump with technicalities. You're stumping yourself
Parker Ross
So you're saying that ISIS didn't exist until Obama let ISI expand into Syria as part of his plan to topple Assad?
Evan Peterson
>"Follow the trail you fucking republicunts! It wasn't Obama it was Bush!" >"Keep following the trail and it's the Jews" >"Wah wah wah muh 6 million! That doesn't fit with muh narrative!"
Fuck off.
Luis Harris
And who was president BEFORE W. Bush? Or did those sandniggers just suddenly appear during Bush's reign? If 2012 showed the biggest problem of ISIL you will have to look 18 years (the age of an adult man) back to see where the problem was born. 1994.
Caleb Ortiz
"Trump didn't really mean it like that" - Trump supporters
"Trump always says what he means and tells the truth" - Trump supporters
Benjamin Phillips
That's accurate and I'm with Trump
Jackson Walker
Hussein kept things more stable. They didn't rise up and become an international terror group that has taken over large swaths of land as its caliphate until the US invasion of Iraq destabilized the region.
They did exist, they just got more powerful, they went to Syria because we pulled out of Iraq in 2011, so they at that point were veterans of war and thought they could spread their caliphate to Syria since it was under civil war.
This was all before we intervened at all in Syria.
Now they did capture and steal supplies we were trying to get to the FSA (which at the time was allied with ISIS and Al Nusra Front), which I think everyone here will agree was a dumb move. So Obama trying to support the FSA made ISIS stronger. It was dumb, but not deliberate.
Kayden Ramirez
Difference is bush dropped bombs on them not train and arm them to make the ME even more shit
Cameron Miller
>people hate jews >hitler gives them a platform >but hey they were around before >so guess hitler didn't actually create the nazis
hmmm really makes me think
Eli Collins
Republicans have been blaming obamas actions for having a large influence on the spread of Isis for years.
How is this news? It's not even the first time trump has said it
Oliver Campbell
The Obama camp blaming Bush for something. There's a fucking surprise. "Look what he inherited." Nobody told Obama to run for office. He knew what he was getting in to, and instead of fixing things, he made them immeasurably worse.
Austin Walker
Obama funded the specific iteration of Islamic extremism called ISIS
The problems began with Jimmy Carters unholy alliance with the Saudis, and started with the first gulf war of George HW Bush. That war has never ended
Christian Martinez
>lets just get some random goat fuckers and pretend they were ISIS all along!
Hell, maybe the Iraq war did cause some group to create ISIS. They wouldn't be nearly as strong without the destabilization of Libya and Obama and Hillary arming them with heavy weaponry.
Dominic Wood
Your doing it wrong. Use the arrow ">" >Trump didn't really mean it like that >Trump always says what he means and tells the truth >T. Trump supporters
That's how you do it. Cant believe my money is going to waste too you tools.
Jace Martinez
> It was dumb, but not deliberate.
Do you honestly believe that?
Luis Myers
Fuck off CTR shill
Mason Hughes
Well I for one am glad they were killing the marines. What were they doing off their ship? Who let them off? The fuck is going on? Why are marines not on their ship?
I mean I dont understand American terminology, isnt a marine something like a naval infantry? Isnt his job to board other ships and patrol the water and shit? Why are they called "marine" if their job is on land??
Ethan Cook
obama it telling the military to stand down adn not attack rebels in syria we could be killing alot more isis than we are.
we could drone strike assad.
every president has a war. even hillary had libya. but they limit it to 1 war or so or else the public gets too mad
next potus will take out syria and set the stage for iran
Xavier Powell
If you're going to shill at least make it fun you used-up skank. No one in the party is going to care about your internet job on your resume
Jaxson Roberts
I-It's only paid shilling if it's supportive of the person I dislike!
Landon Brooks
bill clinton bombed congo (=
Nicholas Price
well hillary is the only one who has publicly released that they are paying people to shill
Thomas Turner
I'm pretty sure that the weapons and supplies were given to go against Assad, not carve out a caliphate, that we'd now have to spend billions to fight against, yes.
We also funded Al Qaeda to fight against the Soviets, not intentionally to cause terrorism against us, it's just that these actions inadvertently tend to bite us in the ass. Just like Hussein himself.
I say it's dumb because we should have learned our lesson by now.
Jayden Rogers
>ISI There's no such thing, faggot.
Let me teach you how to shill: "ISIS is the migration of the group of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (the pre-ISIS imo) and other Sunni groups. The rise of violence and oppression (AKA killing people in street) by the Shia gov's militants (Shia were oppressed by Saddam, so it was a revenge) and US army (those guys like to kill people) pushed regular Sunni people into radicalization".
I agree, Bush founded ISIS, but Obama expanded it.
Carter Lewis
>it was dumb but not deliberate
Wew lad. People actually believe this.
Joseph Edwards
the duties of different branches of the military overlap a lot. The Army has ships, the Navy is the second most powerful airforce in the world, the Marines are just Army who ride on Navy ships and the department of the Navy cuts their paychecks instead of the Department of the Army.
Marines are sent first wave of an invasion though to establish a beachhead.
Sebastian Robinson
hillary and obama air dropped shit to the sand niggers running around libya and syria
>gadaffi killed by militants funded with CIA equip >assad almost killed by militants funded with cia equip
how are liberals this fucking dense with their heads in the sand
obama literally ordered the fucking air drops that sent the shit over there
Aiden Allen
ISI is what it was called before the Syria Civil War.
James Evans
Marines are a branch of well trained infantry under the command of the US Navy. Their budget is a portion of the Navy's official budget.
"Every marine is a rifleman." is their motto. Even marine cooks are trained how to kill your ass 100 different times over, from hand to hand combat to shooting you at 500 yards in the head.
Christian Robinson
>bush creates ISI >obama fucks syria up >adds the second "S" to ISI >creates ISIS FACT
Logan Lee
The difference is Bush didn't fucking send ISI weapons, artillery, and cash to fund their operations.
Nathaniel Jackson
No, he just funded trained, mobilised and supported them for eight years, on purpose.
Daniel Davis
Wrong. Oil & $$$. No one cares about low tier mudslimes dying
Jackson Sanchez
Nice dubs, but Obama and his administration essentially gave the "ISI" steroids to take down Al-Asaad for him. He really gave them the momentum. Not only that, but it's public knowledge that the US was funding Al-Nusra which is an Al-Qaeda linked group. Intelligence also said that there were virtually no moderate rebels and the ones we were funding would be sacked by the extreme groups to get the weapons we sent anyways.
Also, look up the interview with Major Gen. Michael Flynn with the Algizeer news network; he told Obama that this threat was rising and he decided to do nothing about it and outspokenly said that they would pull out of Iraq.
It was all supposed to be a proxy war.
Cooper Miller
This. Obama literally created ISIS. Remember those 30 Toyota Helixes the State Department sent the "Syrian rebels" that instantly showed up in the first ISIS videos?
Nice try OP. Bush-blaming ended around 2010 though
Julian Clark
You seem to think Obama and Bush aren't in cahoots with eachother.
Gavin Hernandez
Oddly enough, ISIS wasn't riding around in HMMVs until Obama became president
Colton Nguyen
Those mother fuckers are not that stupid. They knew what would happen and did it anyway
Ryder Young
You literally just said in your post that obama created isis and bush isi
John Mitchell
Absolutely right.
Luis Price
Oy vey lets pretend it was a literal statement so people dont realize shilldog and obongo are responsible for their current state
Blake Taylor
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Jacob Sullivan
he didn't do anything to stop them, and actually funded severals groups including isis
Isaiah Cox
Oh wow its one of those idiots that pretends like the two parties are actually different in their core globalist agendas.
Honestly I don't know how anyone could not see how similar the foreign and domestic policies of Bush and Obama were in spite of them talking like they were polar opposites on the political spectrum. If you like either of those two presidents, I think you're a fool.
Robert Martin
>Implying both sides aren't really just working together to secure common interests. >believing in democracy in {{{2016}}} W€W ladderino..
Jaxson Watson
That is just confusing. Imagine commanding that mess, hell imagine just playing a strategy videogame, clicking on... air force but it turns out its actually a highly specialized search and rescue firefighter unit who also carry a childbirth gear just in case. What?
Why not call people who do job on the ground a ground force and so on.
Gavin Stewart
Obama literally admitted today that we have been training ISIL, the group you just accused of killing American soldiers in Iraq. Interesting op.
Kayden Perez
I applaud this statement.
Julian Howard
You are right, that many of the more intelligent members of congress like Rand Paul tried to warn everyone else that any equipment or funding we tried to get out to "moderate" rebels would be sacked by more extreme elements.
Funding them was retarded but I do think they intended for the money and equipment to go to "moderate" rebels rather than ISIS.
Because we keep making similar mistakes thinking these groups can work in our interest, then they bite us in the ass. But I really don't think they're deliberately doing shit so that we can spend a shitload of money and kill off a bunch of our troops and disable people and pay through the nose for their lifetime healthcare and disability.
It's kind of like thinking a retarded kid DELIBERATELY keeps shitting their pants. They do it because they're retarded, not because they're playing 5D chess thinking about how shitting their pants will somehow be politically useful sometime in the future.
No... It called Zarqawi's group. I remember that his CDs were around (videos where he behead people, he was somewhat popular).
For ISI there was no such thing like that in Bush's time...
It was only about Israel. US get only 12% of its oil from the whole middle east. Canada is rich of oil and so next to them.
Sebastian Baker
No, we've known that the Syrian rebels were Al Quida from the beginning. There are pentagon papers that prove this
Jacob Rodriguez
the weapons thing is kinda silly. during any war weapons are transfered. al quaida started with bombs and ieds, killed soldiers and took their guns and humvees
haven't you seen red dawn? the picture isn't that we're arming nusra or whoever. the problem is that we're not dominating with the full weight of the military.
remember bush 2 gulf invasion? it was over in 30 fucking minutes.
James Lee
That was what they were being referred to by Americans in 2007. Did you watch the videos? They're referred to as Islamic State of Iraq
Jason Carter
DELETE THIS!!!!!
DELETE THIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Grayson Evans
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH fuck off.
Eli Barnes
Christ user, he's referring to the Iraqi military that was taking back territory FROM ISIS.
Eli Carter
you're both kinda mixing shit up the DNI released some papers a year or two ago where bin laden and zarahawi? had a chat saying "fuck, our movement snowballed and got away from us, they got too violent. and now this zarqawi? guy is going full killer" bin laden was a finance specialist. ussr lost. that's also kinda why putin is such a stabilizing force. have you read putins college dissertation?
aaaand i'm v&'d in 3,2,1...
Carson Cook
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Lincoln Brown
It allows each branch to be specialized while still maintaining some flexibility. US Navy aircraft carriers carry their own fleets of jets and bombers, allowing them to respond further inland when necessary or establish air superiority until the Army and Air Force can establish or occupy more permanent air strips
The Marines are traditionally associated with the Navy, but they've basically existed as a separate entity for the better part of a century. They're effectively a rapid response branch, trained and fitted to be deployed as quickly and effectively as possible in order to provide immediate aid or retaliation when other branches like the Navy or Army would take much longer to mobilize.
In the battle for Iwo Jima in WWII for example, marines were the first wave of the invasion force, deployed amphibiously and rapidly pushing inward and taking out defense encampments to establish a beachhead where additional support could be deployed.
Wyatt Sullivan
You're talking about the Zarqawi organization. ISIS -- IN SYRIA, AFTER THE FUCKING CIVIL WAR STARTED UNDER OBAMA/HILLARY ADMINISTRATION -- is headed by Al Baghdadi.
Andrew Lee
You can follow this chain of causation as far back as you want, senpai.
You can go back to Saddam's islamic revival, or the Palestinian refugee camps that spawned Zarqawi, or the first Gulf War, or back to Afghanistan, or back to the Iranian revolution, or the Arab-Israeli conflict, or back to the Muslim Brotherhood, or the islamic revivalists whowanted to reestablish the caliphate after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, or back to the Ottomans, or back to al-Wahhab, or back to the Ottomans, or back to the earlier incarnations of the caliphate, or back to Muhammad himself, or back to Jesus, or back to Moses, etc.
Carson Peterson
op is being disingenuous. This is like saying the Nazi Party of 1922 and Nazi Germany were literally the same thing. Sage obvious shill thread.
Lucas Bennett
>85003900 Perhaps, perhaps, but who funded it and turned it into the monster it is today? IS Only gained ground in '14, well after Bush left office. It was Obama's arming of the moderate rebels in Syria and everybody looking the other way as IS oil was shipped over the Turkish border that led to the success of ISIL.
Oliver Thomas
Why does American army/navy/whatever even has this insane thing where it sends soldiers (and by soldiers I dont even mean mechanized infantry, just a bunch of men in clothing and small arms) into enemy killzones? I dont want to sound like a wacky conspiracy theorist or anything, but it always seemed retarded... We always bomb the place first and than soldiers move in. It's never the soldiers trying to take a place, they only defend places while taking things is done from the safe distance... Only special forces go in civilian clothes to cut phone lines and bomb post office (because all of Bosnia and their government used a post office for all state business, they had no other communication) and after that they just bomb the disorganized mass, there's almost no opposition.
What America is doing (and what Russians did in ww2) looks more like a perfectly legal way to get rid of a huge amount of people you dont want.
how is this controversial in any way? I thought it was the position of the administration that guns, material and funding given to """"moderate"""" anti-assad terrorists (i think through lybia) ended up in isis camp
It was absolutely created under the shit he did in syria
Ryan Fisher
>still thinking Bush wasn't the GREATEST President in the last 100 years Liberal media got ya good.
Christian Edwards
Literally none of them said or implied that you dirty nigger leaf
Hudson Cox
They are all implying he helped terrorists directly or indirectly.
Andrew Reed
They were basically a garage band there, smashed to pieces, Obama brought them to Hollywood and put them in a top studio.
They always had the chops, they just needed support from a manager like Obama.
Ian Fisher
Fuck off, he most certainly did lead to modern isis. >b-but this group of five people was an ancestor of isis fuck out of here. >due to his invasion of Iraq creating a power vacuum It was specifically the act of pulling out which caused the vacuum. You're reaching pretty hard.
Kayden Diaz
the "flag" is just the "Black Standard"
It's been used for decades since OBL
Technically, Regan is responsible to ISIS today if you want to go all the way back.
Isaac Wood
AQI->ISIQ->ISIS->IS. So they existed in 2003.
They were not a real state, however, until Obummer pulled out and provided massive aid.
Julian Roberts
Are you retarded? Can you not look even a little bit below the surface? Day-to-day life must be difficult if you take everything literally. He was saying that Obama created the political climate necessary for ISIS to rise to power by pulling out of Iraq so early. Not that he literally founded ISIS.
Juan Hughes
DELETE THIS THREAD.
Caleb Scott
same line is used for hillary
Oliver Hill
Obama funded ISIS and allowed them to become the powerful terrorist organization they now are.
June 14, 2013 U.S. Military Aid To Rebels In Syria To Include Automatic Weapons, Mortars, And Rocket-Propelled Grenades
WASHINGTON, June 14 (2013) (Reuters) - The United States is likely to send weaponry like rocket-propelled grenades and mortars to Syria's rebels after President Barack Obama approved arming the insurgents, sources said on Friday.
June 26, 2014 Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels
The Obama administration asked Congress on Thursday to authorize $500 million in direct U.S. military training and equipment for Syrian opposition fighters, a move that could significantly escalate U.S. involvement in Syria’s civil war. Money for the assistance, which would expand a CIA covert training program, is included in a $65.8billion request for the Pentagon’s Overseas Contingency Operations, or OCO.
>Day-to-day life must be difficult if you take everything literally I wonder how they got past the fucking captcha >click the street numbers >"There are also buildings in these photos!"
Samuel Morgan
ISIS was like a rough diamond, they just needed a little polishing, that's all. And that's exactly what Obama's gonna do for them.
Elijah Sanders
They were active before we were pulling out, that's kind of the whole point. They coalesced to fight American occupation at first.
Jonathan Parker
It was created by Bush yes but thru the CIA to continue to destabilizing the region.
Hunter Stewart
At that time they were an al-qaeda affiliated group.
Because of President Obama's rapid troop withdrawls, and near universal support ot the arab spring (which was reallly nothing more than a islamic populist uprising) he really is to blame in principle for allowing them to seize power.
As a result of Obama's actions, ISIL and the Daesh decided to break and vie for supremacy, and have since rose to prominence under primarily Barack Obama's adminstration.
Obama and Hillary Clinton destabilized an entire region through the practice of feckless, intervetionist policies that were no different than Bush.
In the end, you're all idiots because Trump never supported going into Iraq in the first place.
Samuel King
>It was indirectly created by Bush, due to his invasion of Iraq creating a power vacuum, if any blame can be placed on the US at all in its creation it's indirect.
Which Clinton voted for
face
Landon Hernandez
>They were active before we were pulling out, Yes, but they are not the same "they." You're comparing what was a rather minor organization to a major threat. >They coalesced to fight American occupation at first. Yes, but it they did not fuse with other groups and become what they are today before Obama's premature withdrawal and piss poor diplomacy. Trump's wording is shit, but if you're smart enough to look past that you'll get the sense of his shitty sentences.
Ryder Edwards
Daily reminder that Bush is the one who negotiated the American withdrawl from Iraq and Obama tried to get the Iraqis to agree to a residual force but they wouldn't sign a SOFA.
The Obama withdrawing from Iraq meme is so strong.
Blake Gonzalez
Secret muslim nigger faggot terrorist president. Bill Ayers subverter.
Elijah Hughes
NOW people are saying it was Bush who ended the war and Obama just followed through with his SoFA
Angel Carter
What I want to know is, did something else happen to him that made him go Phantom Pain, or was he planning it all along?
Oliver Jenkins
Obama actually tried to get the Iraqis to extend the withdrawl date but they didn't want us there anymore
It wasn't just him, I mean, not like we didn't want him to do it....
Austin Cox
>He did support the war at first Not remotely relevant since he wasn't really in politics.
Gavin Wright
No. The Mujahideen always said they would come for us after they finished with the russians, we just didn't care because we wanted dead russians RIGHT NOW and figured they wouldn't be able to attack the US.
Anthony Foster
Moderate here
Every time I hear someone try to clarify this though, a Trump supporter will say "NO, he FOUNDED isis."
Which makes me think the intention here is to imply Obama engineered the exit with the intention to allow a larger terorist organization would rise to power.
Ethan Fisher
Who was responsible for keeping/pulling out of the troops out of there after Dubya? Dumb libfags, man.