20% of Americans rely on food stamps

>20% of Americans rely on food stamps

Literally how can anybody be against $15 minimum wage?

so by ur dumb logic if the wage is raised TWICE as much as it is now ($7.50) to ($15.00) everything will cpst the same and there will be no inflation? neck yourself

Hold on let me search for an image real quick

Here's why. You don't think 20% is enough?

how jamal you going to buy your mom some food

nah nigga i gotta buy me these jordans a new white tee

gotta be fresh you know muh nigga

Oh no more of my shekels go into wages than my own deep jewish pockets

you mean niggers and mexicans
they wouldnt get a job anyway

>2005-2012
last 3 years of data?

> le nominal wage meme
Kys.

Without checking it, i'm pretty sure most of them are niggers.

what happened in november 2005

1.) Government arbitrarily increases wages.
2.) This reduces business profits.
3.) Businesses then either need to increase prices or lay off staff/hours to offset the cost.

It's fairly obvious.

No argument. Discarded
Strawman. Not what he said or implied
>implying that's how educated people think the minimum wage works.
>now replace the yellow houses with 1 bedroom studios and remove the windows.

>inflation is now arbitrary
toppest of keks

I don't care about your min wage because my country already has one.
I'm honestly just interested in more data

Also you should show data before the 2008 crash if you wanted a min wage back in 2007.

> nominal wages =/= real wages
> raising nominal wages does nothing to address the factors that drive real wages, wealth creation or a rising standard of living
> not an argument

Yeah righto bob.

> le nominal wage meme
Kys.

That's what you posted. On what earth is that an argument?

> raising nominal wages does nothing to address the factors that drive real wages, wealth creation or a rising standard of living

Not true at all. What you pay employees is obviously going to affect all 3 of those factors. You're throwing out a buzzword that has absolutely no merit in the argument you're making.

Because it will just encourge busisenss to hire even more illegals under the table for less than the minium wage.

With such an abundant supply of extralegal labor, raising the minimum wage won't help anyone.

>>implying that's how educated people think the minimum wage works.
>>now replace the yellow houses with 1 bedroom studios and remove the windows.


You are accusing people of non arguments and your argument is appeal to emotion
oh boy

You imbecile. The people relying on food stamps are those who either are unemployed or simply want to indulge their disgusting slovenly lifestyle.

Like that Black cunt working at McDonald's complaining that she was """only""" receiving $250/month in food stamps despite being sickeningly fat.

Raising nominal wages may benefit some but it ignores those that will be cut from work and business' that will no longer startup.

As I said real wage growth is what pulls peopes living standards higher not arbitrary state edicts.

Food Stamps are the only form of Government help which are ok in my book.

We spend more money on handouts than we spend on national defense, and then we get idiots like these going "Why is everybody dependent on handouts?!"

Maybe if we wouldn't have this problem if we invested more into infrastructure than into gibsmedats.

...and if raising nominal wages were all that matters well we've all heard of the "why not make it $1million" meme, obviously people remain employed under small rises but that doesn't mean there are no consequences for this so again, an upward pressure on wages from other economic factors is the only thing that matters when trying to help those in unskilled work.

Anyone else for the destruction of small businesses??

i-im just asking?

Because most people don't understand that inflation is not 1:1 or how the minimum wage actually works.

Plus, a lot of people who make between the minimum wage and $15/hr think that means their income will go down or it will mean somehow that their "status" is now the same as someone working at Mcdonald's even when that's obviously bullshit.

Also, we need to get rid of the hours per week limit in obamacare and other federal and state laws about benefits and preferably go with some model where health insurance is not connected to your job. Then more people can actually get full time jobs instead of trying to keep 2-3 part time jobs.

First off only some 10-15 million people actually make minimum wage. Before you argue back "yeah well how many make between 7.25 and 10?" or whatever like a dumb jackass it's still not the majority of workers. The 50%, aka average income in this country is $33k a year or the likes. That's about $15/hr

A $15 minimum wage would affect many of the several million food workers in this country.
For fast food restaurants the wage spike is so high it knocks out entirely their profits. Just gone. No, a 50 cent price raise doesn't recover any of that. Their prices would flat out double to compensate.
For real (non large chain crapfests) restaurants, which operate on profit margins in the 10-12% range if you're having a good month, the wage hike generally wouldn't need a doubling in menu cost as many seasoned cooks make $10-11 to begin with. But a $8 burger shifting up to 12,13,14 and your drinks going from $2 to $4 would drastically lower business.

Most people who eat out regularly are not min wage or low wage people. Your most often recurring business is from middle class earners who would say "I did not see my income increase 50% from this, I cannot afford to eat out as much anymore"
The effect is a stacking effect. Higher prices, a much smaller wage shift the higher up we go in the wage levels, leads to a reduction in business. Either food quality drops massively or business decreases massively.

Having worked all areas of the food making business I can tell you with definitive experience that most of the people who make minimum wage deserve to be that low on the ladder. They generally have no motivation or capability to learn. They dont care about their quality of work. I've seen people who worked at a single company for more than a decade who've never so much as risen up to a shift manager, or even some halfassed "promotion" like "training expert" or what it may be called.

>As I said real wage growth is what pulls peopes living standards higher not arbitrary state edicts

I agree. Except corporations want no part of that, and the minimum wage hasn't kept up with the standar d of living. Also, once again nothing's arbitrary.

>an upward pressure on wages from other economic factors is the only thing that matters when trying to help those in unskilled work.

Not at all. No one is arguing for a gargantuan increase. And "other economic factors" which have been taken into account in forming this "arbitrary" number you speak of. You act like liberals are pulling this number out of their asses. Corporations aren't and will never get it done on their own.

Why do retards against the minimum wage always use the hurr durr 15 will become the new 7.50 argument?
That assumes every working person is currently working for minimum wage. In reality its not the case.

Raising the minimum wage will do fuck all for our money being worthless.

Prices would double? You think 100% of the running costs lf the food industry go to paying wages? Youre talking out of your ass.

>20% of Americans rely on food stamps
Its more then 20% and higher minimum wage won't change that. This is just a natural effect of the welfare state and societal degeneration. The US is about to go into a steep decline and higher minimum wage is just a short term solution that will make it even more painful in the long run.

>Literally how can anybody be against $15 minimum wage?
Because they have a brain. If you want to increase the wages you need to increase productivity and if you want to increase productivity you need to tell the government to go kill itself. Increasing the minimum wage just means every one that can not produce goods and services for at least $15 an hour will have it even harder to get into the job market which means even more people on government support.

Liberals are pulling this out of their ass, there's no justification for $15 or $100 because wages are just the price signal of wages and when you distort economic signals you have consequences.

Wages are not the same in area to area nor industry to or even business to business.

Corporations respond to economic incentives the same as anyone else in the market.

Wages have a downward pressure on them in the west so large that it outweighs productivity, because there are so many people applying for so few jobs because the supply of employers is artificially restricted by regulations and cronyism. What this means is that there needs to be more employers/jobs/business to spread people around and to compete for labour before it can naturally rise.

Governments arbitrarily mandating a nominal wage does nothing to address these issues, it's a feel good policy that doesn't take into account things that are very hard to measure, such as; fewer workers having to take on more work rather than hiring more people and of course small business startups in particular.

>Literally how can anybody be against $15 minimum wage?

If corporations are so evil and don't respond to economic signals and even basic supply/demand then no one would be paid above the min wage which is obviously not the case. So the underlying driving forces of real wages are the most important things to look at not nominal wages.

>A $15 minimum wage would affect many of the several million food workers in this country.
Yeah, small family businesses would shut down and the big chains with enough capital would automate more.

Burger flippers are literally the next luddites.

Minimum wage jobs are not something you work for years. Its something you do on the side while studying or something you do for a while so you can show your next soon to be boss that you're not retarded and can clock in on time.

you just don't work hard enough to earn it

that's all

i have no problem paying people whatthey earn, but your average min wage worker doesn't earn much more than 7 or 8 bucks per hour

sorry

try harder for awhile and we can revisit the subject

>If if if if...that small business, you didn't destroy that

minimum wage = bigger unemploiment... ALWAYS IN HISTORY

>lets keep trying some of the failed policies of the past to fix our problems
>I don't understand how economics works but raising the minimum wage magically fixes everything
>what is inflation
>why can't I just have everything for free

What happened in 2008? Oh right, Obama got elected.

>If you want to increase the wages you need to increase productivity
I thought this has been increasingly fairly steadily.

You sound like the type of dude to have a bumper sticker of Calvin peeing on an Obama logo.

How come burger flippers still exist in countries with high minimum wage then?

Who even pulled the $15/hr meme out their ass? Start by raising it to $10/hr and go from there.

>20%
That's really not that bad when you consider statistically every nigger is on food stamps leaving about 7 percent of the population that is actually human on them.

Only under capitalism is technological progress shunned.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

In a normal market the supply of employers/business'/jobs is as flexible as the supply of labour but with overregulation it chokes the supply of jobs so that too many people applying for too few jobs puts a downward pressure on wages that outweighs productivity. This isn't as bad for skilled jobs for obvious reasons but still a pain.

Blame central planning yet again.

THE ANSWER TO 1984 IS 1776 YOU COMMIE FUCK

Because they hire a bunch of kids at a fraction of the cost. In Australia the minimum wage may be $17, but teenagers flipping burgers are not earning anywhere near that. (McDonald's employee, 15yrs old earns $8 an hour, 16yrs $10 and 17yrs $12)

Source: I work at McDonald's

I think it was sander's idea to do something like that

Because if you raise the minimum wage people will lose jobs and have to rely entirely on government aid?
And because companies will raise prices to offset the higher wagers?
And because when wages are higher companies will be more selective in who they hire, so you're effectively gimping what is often the poor's only choice for employment?
But hey, that's just like my opinion.

neck urself weeaboo

Inflation deals with how much money is in the money supply, not how that money is circulated in the economy.

>Jobs that generate..
Top kek. Explain to me how you determine how much revenue a job creates.

Are you telling me Execs generate more revenue than sales teams?

I JUST WANTED TO THANK Sup Forums FOR BEING AGAINST THE MINIMUM WAGE. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR AMERICAN WORKERS? AHAHAH

I know many people that don't "need" them but they get them because it saves shekels

Does the velocity of money not effect inflation???

Interesting, that at least lets younger people with no job experience have a reliable job to get into, so they can put something on their resume.

how come all the econ wizards who seem to know everything about economy never actually have a business or employ anyone?

Abolish income tax, sales tax and deregulate everything to increase competition.

>i don't understand economics, literally how can anybody be against $15 minimum wage?

only a retard works for minimum wage past the age of 20.. retards aren't worth $15/hr

Because the burgers cost a lot more.

>If everyone just follows the NAP with no way to enforce it, we'll have a perfect society!

>I thought this has been increasingly fairly steadily.
Yes but it doesn't help the middle class when we have fiat currency and neo-keynesianism

>No way to enforce it

I'm in the Christopher Cantwell camp, we need to throw commies out of Helicopters.

Lol food stamps would probably increase with a $15 min wage, no one would get hired!

Checked

Honestly though, I think we should raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars federally.

When this backfires ginormously, maybe then libtards will smarten up and actually start to understand basic economics

it would force them to admit they are wrong

Do you really think these shitheads want to be paid $15 per hour AND lose their food stamps/welfare?

>anyone defending raising the minimum wage

hide and move on. horrible fucking bait.

I'll tell you why McDonalds and Walmart pay $7.50

millions of people apply for those jobs. Nobody is forced to take those jobs. It's called supply and demand of the workforce. If they didn't get enough people applying for those positions you would see the pay for that job rise to attract more applicants.
A better question for poorfags.. Why do you only want to work for any 'minimum'? Aim higher.

>food stamps

>mfw 20% of americans rely on a system that was only used in Europe during WW2
This, this is the reason why the rest of the world laughs at the US

But that's what you've said when the minimum wage was first instated and every time it's been raised. And it only ever helped the economy.

>Who even pulled the $15/hr meme out their ass
probably someone looking for some votes

good goy

>stupid fucks
>youtre not allowed to discuss ideas
this is the new right. no dissent no free ideas or you get your ass beat at a rally. (((Trump))) says goy boys get $5/hr thats what they get.

>And it only ever helped the economy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

PLEASE raise it to 15
oh boy I want to see the massive shitshow you economically retarded cucks will be forced to deal with
lmao

A sales employer that makes less than 15$/hour is easily replacable by any mexican.

If the company director is replaced by an uncompetent mexican, the entire company and the job of all the sales teams are in jeopardy.

Sorry to break it to you, but people are not equal and everyone doesn't deserve the same salary.

I'm also in favor of whatever program that is that pays for winterizing people's homes and for people to keep their heat on during the winter. And veteran benefits. Even free viagra for veterans, fuck it, they were in a war.

>liberals admitting a mistake
>ever

They'd blame it on rich cis white guys for firing people instead of gouging the company's budget.

Burger flippers are literally being replaced by machines as we speak.
>Are you telling me Execs generate more revenue than sales teams?
Yes, obviously

>we should kill people that disagree with us

>but we're not authoritarian

>And it only ever helped the economy.
start a business and have starting pay at $15/hr. Until you do that you are full of shit.

>yfw you realize greedy corporate jews in large part created the gibsmedats we all hate

But it would strengthen the middle class
and people would buy more shit....
the middle class should be strong as possible .
couple of years ago we had a goverment that lowered mnimum wage and taxed the middle class made better wealthfare well did not go well and people were not happy
hope this makes sense I am half drunk

It's not that simple. There is no way to measure how much revenue a specific job generates.

Where did I say that? I just know that the people protesting for $15 flipping burgers don't want to lose their gibmedats on top of everything. It fixes nothing or just pisses them off when they lose their free cheese.

Nobody wants to downgrade and $15 per hour is just about a lateral move when you take away welfare.

Anyone got a link to that company who started paying everyone the same salary no matter what the position was and then bombed because all good people left?

isint the minimum wage 7.50?
if what i assume is true thats to low should be atleast 10 desu

No, an executive would estimate this and based on that decide if the person is worth hiring. For any job there is a decision "Will it be worth $x/h to my company if this person works here?"

The people who work at the top are extremely intelligent and experienced, they can make or break a company and so are worth a significant amount. This also means that they are in high demand, meaning that many companies will pay a high amount just to get them.pol

All you are doing is applying a poorfag, jealous view of the world because you are not worth what they are.

Pathetic

No, in Sweden they hire kids and pay them 13 USD/h

Are you talking about that company in Washington State that is paying their employees 70k minimum?

They doubled their business from what I read in an article yesterday.

>But it would strengthen the middle class
no it wouldn't. middle class isn't working minimum wage, they pay the taxes that cover the welfare and unemployment the $15/hr would create.

Wu!

the 70k guy he was lying