>consistent style/tone >had an entertaining, focused, comprehensible story >actually had witty/funny/natural dialogue >episodes usually posed a problem for Finn or Jake (or both) and they actually got developed as characters and were relatable >oftentimes actually conveyed a meaningful, simple moral question or philosophical theme >fluid, vibrant animation
Newer seasons:
>episodes are totally spontaneous, never know what show I'm going to be watching this week >unfocused, poorly written stories that make little to no literal sense and are boring as fuck to watch >lol look how art and symbolism and 2deep we are!! >are you feeling the feels yet?! >finn and jake are practically c-listers in their own show, they rarely go on adventures anymore >there's no longer any likable characters >ruin perfectly good long-term plot lines in anticlimactic ways or never resolve any until MANY episodes later >dialogue is usually just ear-gouging stuff with too much made up slang, killing any chance at intimacy with the audience
and because of all these things, the show is now a literal ghost town around here. it used to be so big too. what do you think Sup Forums, can it ever recover?
This bitch got put in charge, that's what. Same reason everything on CN is shit now.
Logan Green
Miss me yet?
Luke Garcia
Hey the newest season does get a little better. It's mostly just the ups and downs of Season 5 and the complete shit-turd awfulness of Season 6 that people cannot stand.
>Ablooabloo I blame womyn ain't I cool She has nothing to do with it you twat. Penn Ward stepped down. Rebecca Sugar got her own show. Most of the storyboarders and good writers left.
It's running on perma-Fanfiction now.
Connor Lopez
Been waiting for someone to bring this topic up. Hold on let me prepare my self.
Luis Clark
Hey, I'm sure Mike Scully had at least some hand in the downfall of the systems, even if he did lose over half the original writing staff during his term. Same thing here.
Carson Nguyen
Honestly I'm a die hard early series AT fan but the later seasons aren't as bad as they're made out to be, and S7 is legitimately good.
But fuck that faggy shit, post pretty art.
Gavin Diaz
>>episodes usually posed a problem for Finn or Jake (or both) and they actually got developed as characters and were relatable This is more true of the newer seasons.
>dialogue is usually just ear-gouging stuff with too much made up slang, killing any chance at intimacy with the audience This is more true of the older seasons.
Brody Cruz
Be honest- does this ponytail look really gay, or only a little gay? That fucking arm though.
I've never settled on a good look for older Finn and the way his hat/hair are gonna work, there's line a million different directions it can go. I just pray to fucking God it won't be Guts Finn.
Ayden Howard
the show was never consistent
Luis Gomez
I love the early seasons and yeah, not sure what OP meant as Finn and Jake learning from their lessons and changing. At most they flipped an aesop on its head every once in a while.
Come on though, there are times where the dialogue of modern seasons is downright awful. Earlier seasons handled the wacky words a lot better from what I remember.
Anthony Flores
I recently rewatched season 1-6, working on the seventh. >episodes are too random That is literally how the show began. We didn't start introducing arcs or episode connections up until at least season 3. How can you say the episodes were predictable in the first seasons? They weren't. >poorly written stories >boring It's not like the writing was so clever throughout the series anyway. If the show is boring for you it just maybe isn't your thing. That doesn't mean it is bad because its not your thing. >2deep meme There's literally like 3 episodes where they tried to be philosophical but it fell flat. I can name them for you, Breezy, Astral Plane, and The Comet. That's it. You can't keep criticizing the show for three episodes, and holding these episodes to the entire status of the show, despite these being last season. The show moves on, the show changes, those bad episodes don't represent the series as a whole. The main thing the show is about is Finn and Jake in Ooo, and that's all it ever was mainly about. A simple moral question can easily be found in episodes from season seven "Bonny and Neddy" and "Daddy-Daughter Card Wars." The former explaining that we shouldn't acknowledge that people are different, it is just apart of life. The latter showing Jake dignifying himself by being a good sport, not just winning. I forgot "The Music Hole," where Finn was convinced to stop mourning over his Finn sword by acknowledging that he is more fortunate than others in ways that he takes for granted. No developement? Meanwhile Finn reconciles with FP, and she admits he has matured. In "Bun Bun." In "Flute Spell," Finn isn't worried about his futurex and is way better at communicating with the opposite sex. >rarely go on adventures anymore Rarely go on adventures period* ftfy. AT was never this shoe where Finn and Jake set out to do some quest, it was more about them interacting with the people of Ooo. Yes we have episodes where Finn and Jake do not appear. cont.
Jayden Flores
I wish it were still like the pilot, shit still makes me laugh.
The show never did any like Lord of the Rings quest shit, but the earlier seasons certainly had a lot more episodes of "Finn and Jake explore land X and beat bad guy Y."
This isn't really a problem though because the show just expanded and honestly benefited from it. Much as I love Finn and Jake if the show never expanded from that mold it would have never made it past season 4.
Isaac Cox
Last episode i watched was the one where Jake dies and Abraham Lincoln revives him by making a pact with death, that was like 5 years ago. I also remember things like the cosmic owl and the other dude that's supposed to be like a deity being a cool mystery and not a pair of fuckboys.
I remember feeling like the lore just felt out of place and forced, it's like if someone who gives you muffins from time to time suddenly starts furiously shoving Twinkies down your throat all of the sudden just because he saw you enjoying those muffins
But honestly, is it even worth the time right now? does it really look like it's gonna get better?
Ian Ramirez
>There's literally like 3 episodes where they tried to be philosophical but it fell flat. I can name them for you, Breezy, Astral Plane, and The Comet. I liked Astral Plane desu. But you forgot Hall of Egress, that's the ultimate 2deep episode.
Asher Mitchell
sugar sucked the soul out of the fat hack like a succubus
Christopher Garcia
>Implying Sugar had any good episodes.
Elijah Phillips
Astral Plane was the most egregious instance of Jesse obnoxiously using Finn as his philosophical mouthpiece and for that the episode earned my dislike.
Jesus Christ dude, at least try to write the dialogue like it would come out of that character's mouth.
Anthony Myers
What is the entirety of her season 2 and 3 episodes my good man
Hunter Morgan
does anyone have the comic of jesse or someone ordering a coffee while speaking in 2deep nonsense? i'd like a laugh
Hunter Jackson
If the lore was what annoyed you then I'm afraid the next seasons make that even worse. There's a lot more of it.
Evan Torres
cont. Yes, Finn and Jake are not as prevalent, but think of your favorite episodes of AT. Was the fact that Finn and Jake WERE THERE the reason that is your choice? If that's the case you are lying because we have had episodes that feature Finn and Jake that were still bad, well according to Sup Forums that is. Web Weirdos, Frost and Fire trilogy, Dream of Love. You may argue that the problem was Finn and Jake weren't the main focus, but again, that is not THE reason the episodes you chose as your favorite were so, Gut Grinder was shit, but Finn and Jake were primarily the focus, so the reason Finn and Jake were there is not the reason the episode is great. >never resolved many episodes later I never understood this, what are some arcs that got postponed or never finished/disregarded? >made up slang Oh like in the pilot where Finn uses math terms? I would rather them use slang that no one uses because then it won't age. If they used slang we used in 2010 you would look back in disgust and shame. >no longer any likeable characters Ice King isn't likeable? I love Marceline, BMO is likeable, when he isn't the focus that is. Neptr? Who were likeable characters the show got rid of? >Can it ever recover That depends, will Sup Forums stop shitting on it for shit that happened a year agi and watch the latest fucking season? No one is going to want to watch it if you guys keep shitting all over it because your ships didn't happen. It's a ghost because we have nothing to fucking discuss, you want the same conversations over and over? CN likes to space new episodes over a month for some fucking reason. Season 6 was subpar at most, and season 7 easily redeemed it. Enough with this false notion that the show is shit for things that happen one to two years ago.
Julian Gonzalez
>Hey the newest season does get a little better. >implying Stakes garbage was good
Robert Allen
>>Ablooabloo I blame womyn ain't I cool Are you serious?
Nathan Peterson
>Hall of Egress What was so fucking 2deep4u in that episode? What?! WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO FUCKING AUTISTIC THAT THE SLIGHTEST MOMENT THE SHOW HAS YOU THINK YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE BEING CHALLEGED MENTALLY REEEEEEEEE
Lucas Evans
Bro I liked Egress but you're just being obtuse if you think that wasn't full on 64deep128u.
Parker Long
>Stakes >being garbage Two possibilities here, you are butthurt because Finn didn't get a miniseries. Or, You are an asshurt Fubblefag
Christian Bailey
I don't think there's anything really wrong with a character being a "philosophical mouthpiece" as long as they're also a character. It's an episode about Finn looking at the world and pondering ideas, as teenagers are wont to do. It makes sense as part of his continuing maturation.
Eli Bell
Some examples. I can say anything is 2deep4u doesn't make it true. What are some examples where the episode was trying too hard to be deep.
Brayden Gutierrez
>At the seashell's centre lies the Cornucopia's smallest door
Adam Phillips
The entire episode. The mystery of whatever the dungeon was trying to explain to Finn, the ending with him running through the hallway with that ambiguous PB quote.
2deep doesn't mean bad man, it was 2deep but also pretty good.
Isaiah Reed
There isn't anything wrong with it, the problem is how it's done. AT has touched on serious undertones in the past, the only problem is how it's done. Speaking from recently rewatching the series, it could have been done better. What I mean by that is where the writers are trying to get a message across, but it feels somewhat forced. I listed three examples of when this happened.
Dylan Clark
>as long as they're also a character. But if they're just any character then they lost what makes them unique. Finn's sayings in that episode didn't sound like him AT ALL, and that's not because I think he's too retarded to be pondering such things, it just didn't sound like him at all.
Jesse skipped the part where he's supposed to fit his writing to Finn and got right to shoving all his ideas into Finn with no fine tuning.
Xavier Diaz
>what does egress mean? >exit OMG SO DEEP XDDD LOLOL GUISE LOOK AT HOW HARD THEY R TRYING TO DEEP OMFG LOLOLOLO XDDD
Adam Campbell
Oh you're retarded, never mind.
Hudson Cooper
>this is trying too hard to be deep What are you guys 5 years old? This wasn't a deep concept, and hardly a concept at all. It was Finn figuring out the dungeon through trial and error, and that's all it was.
Austin Cooper
This is the only good part of Stakes, prove me wrong.
Christopher Bennett
They couldn't decide what they wanted the show to be. First it was wacky randomness with some deep dark lore that was generally not recognized and taken for granted. Great, fine. Then they started to develop arcs for the characters and expand on the lore. Also fine. But they were afraid of the actual consequences of character arcs and development so they just let everything fizzle out. Now the lolrandom stuff feels like filler instead of the heart and soul of the show like when it started, and the drama is pointless and everyone knows it. It's the worst of both worlds.
The writing was on the wall when they made PB young and acted like it was significant and an end of season cliffhanger and reversed it literally the next episode she's in then basically never talked about it again. They clearly had no idea what they were doing.
Henry Perry
No, you are trying too hard to make it seem that they are being 2deep4u. If that's it you guys are fucking retarded.
Josiah Lee
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Mason Price
Is that the part that had the song in it? If not then you're wrong.
Kayden King
>prove my opinion wrong
Thomas Morris
The villains were the best part of Stakes but the way that they all got defeated at the end of the same episode they stared in way lame. I guess there was no better way to do it but it still makes them seem a whole lot less cool.
Angel Hernandez
Good post.
Michael Reyes
>Hall of Egress That episode was awesome m8
Evan Robinson
>something that happens in the show 4 seasons ago is always relavent >no it doesnt matter if the show changes or more shit happens, I'm going to continue to use this example as a basis for the critique for the entire show. The show never stopped being random they just care more about continuity now.
Joseph Gutierrez
When will my sweet hero boy stop getting buried in shit bros? Will Preboot/Reboot be when he goes back to being awesome?
Also, they're literally never gonna let him and Marceline talk again huh? Did she get a restraining order or something?
John Jenkins
This. If they kept that fomula it would have ended up as predictable and formulatic as Regular Show.
Colton Johnson
When did classic Adventure Time die in your opinion?
Ayden Barnes
How is the lore forced? The only people that feel this way were the ones that denied that the land of ooo wasn't post apoctalyptic, despite it pretty much being confirmed in season 1 and 2. The lore is ambiguous at first, but becomes more clear as more episodes begin to touch on it. Kiss cartoon has all the episodes i recommend watching. Also don't ship anyone; you WILL be disappointed, that's all. If you forgot exactly where you stopped paying attention the wikia has all the episode synopsis to help.
Tyler Martin
early season 3. >classic >die The show just took a different direction, it really isnt so different.
Jaxon Gray
pretty gay the fact it's so high up and also kind of off to one side make it more so if it were lower and right in the middle it'd be less so
the arm does need work, yeah, the flowers don't really work
Brandon Gutierrez
Dad's Dungeon because immediately after that Flame Princes showed up. But what an episode to end classic AT on.
Andrew Miller
I think the flowers for that design are really cool. Finn's not like a badass warrior dude who would cover himself in edgy armor and skulls, he's a kind sensitive dude who would be down with having flowers as part of his design/self. That's why I would have been totally fine if they had kept Finn as missing his arm but with the flower. It fit with him pretty well.
Jace Gutierrez
I thought Marceline stopped talking to Finn in "Return to the Nightosphere/Daddy's Little Monster?" She stopped consistently hanging out with Finn a while ago. Finnceline was pretty much sunk in season 2.
Joshua Lopez
I'm pretty happy with the Bubbline ship, user
Caleb Jackson
Well, flowers in general are fine, but I don't like the specifics of how they are in that image.
I guess I want more of an "Overgrown Laputa robot" look
Charles Myers
same
Colton Rivera
Wait did the Natasha draw that?
Kevin Ross
I don't know, I'm really into the way they're set up there. Maybe the fact that it's just really well drawn is throwing me off and if it was done in a different style I'd think differently.
I think the little shoulder-hole is really cool though. Lets Finn have a functioning prosthetic while still allowing his flowers to get that sun while he's adventuring.
Zachary Lopez
Yes, and this
Parker Hernandez
Japanese AT fanart is a gift.
Bentley Gray
And there's a few more
Zachary Carter
kys another reason show went to shit
Isaac Taylor
She is currently sucking the pink out of someone sweet right now.
Evan Hernandez
>We aren't allowed to call out someones incompetence if they happen to be women.
Are you SURE that's the path you wish to take in life?
Are you SURE?
Michael Nguyen
>WAH FINN DIDNT CLAIM PB'S SWEET TENDER BUBBLEGUM PUSSY WAHH!
Robert Green
>I hate lesbians
Kevin Murphy
But like, all the time man? Dame gotta come up for air at some point.
Adrian Reyes
Natasha is lewder than I thought
Zachary Reed
That was supposed to be a joke (at least I'm pretty sure it was) but then the writers got so distracted with Simon sad times and Bubbegum lesbian shenanigans.
At this point its either 1) They forgot how to write Finn/Marceline interacting 2) Consider it a waste of time since they could have Marceline doing stuff with either Ice King or Bubblegum instead.
Jack Morris
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Thomas Allen
Here's what I like to do, see who storyboarded the episodes with Finn and Marceline interacting to see if thats truly the case, or that was the only writer that cared enough.
Alexander Allen
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John Lee
That's all I have from Natasha unfortunately
Austin Lee
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Kevin Flores
I want this Finn to cut off that silly ponytail and then roughly fuck me
In terms of his hair I think (if he ever gets rid of that hat) it would be cool if he just roles around with it being decently long. It would be more unique than like the generic short hair most adventurer dudes have and if anyone can pull it off I think it could be Finn.
Jose Long
I would like this to influence a change in Finn's character design. Although, none of the major characters received different designs(not including clothing), I would still like to see Finn with a bionic arm. They have teased this long enough. Maybe Doctor Gross can do something similar like she had done for Tiffany.
Kevin Cooper
>with the Bubbline ship, user shippers are fucking cancer, the minute a show caters to them is a good sign a show is going to shit.
Brody Thomas
Is this from the Scream Queens? I don't understand the bubbline hype in it there really wasn't that much. I felt that it focused more on that wherewolf guy as her love interest rather than Marceline
Leo James
At the end, wasn't Bubblegum only entertaining the Werewolf guy's desires?
But yeah, the Bubbline vibe was low, but it had some cute covers.
Nicholas Sanders
The show never really catered to us. I don't think they are doing it for more viewers; the episodes that bubbline shippers love don't get any more viewers than the ones that aren't of any interest to the ship. Also, the staff isn't allowed to take ideas from their fans, so the episodss they do air were their own ideas. I feel like they do it because its what they want to do with the show.
John Cook
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Mason Morris
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Cooper Rivera
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Adam Ross
I don't remember much, but I do remember her caring for him, for so than she had done for Marceline. It was a short lived comic it wasn't much desu. The ending I remember PB and Marcy making up from the problem they had.
Nathaniel Moore
Lemme grab my copy and scan through the ending
Carter Brooks
Well this thread was nice too bad it won't last the night.
Joseph Ward
Ships in the night my friend.
Anthony Sullivan
Turns out the Werewolf guy was a shapshifter, and after he tries to tell her his 'REAL HORRIBLE SECRET', Princess Bubblegum blows up at him and says "OH, YOUR REAL SECRET? THE ONE THAT ISN'T JUST A PLAY FOR MY SYMPATHY?"
I still get the vibe she cared, but not in a romantic way, especially not at the end.
Marceline also seems to be jealous of him - "You can tell Guy about all your theories."
Brandon Moore
Seems like the only thing I truly forgot was PB blowing up on that guy
Jacob Collins
>the poster is saying it's a woman thing, not a person thing
Adrian Cook
I used that example because it's probably the most clear cut case of them fucking up the plot aspect of Adventure Time, but the fact that it's an older episode is completely irrelevant. The problem is still there. They have no ideal how to balance plot and wackiness and everything is super unsatisfying as a result. It's a pretty common criticism of the show.
Grayson Morris
sad there was so little porn of loli pb
Josiah Hill
I really hope this shows has a good ending. It deserves it.
Ayden Williams
ffs I'm so mad at how bad this show got.
>hey look, an episode where all these characters have an american idol style contest to cheer up finn >Oh wait, you thought it was going to be about music? haha no, time for 2deepfor4u >sequel to card wars, a fun episode. >even it devolves into 2deep4u bullshit
It's like jesus man we shouldn't be at the point where I have to expect pseudophilosophical garbage every episode. Take me back to the golden days where it was adventures with lore peppered throughout. Now you rarely see finn and jake adventuring in something that doesn't try (and fai) at teaching them a life lesson/
Jose Bennett
I can see it being a common criticism, but it doesn't feel prevalent enough for people to quit watching it. I can think of two, Breezy, where Finn gets a new arm but not really, and that loli PB. I would like more examples but I can't really think of them. I admit I've noticed this, but I just ignored it. I saw it as a bad episode, not an episode that ruined the series.
Daniel Russell
By this logic ANY episode that has our protagonist advance on an emotion level is 2deep4u. That should only be used on things for when it falls flat. I listed three examples somewhere at the start of the thread. DDCW showed character developement, and that's good, we usually don't see Jake advance. In the Music Hole a lot of us were disappointed at the derail to that Hole that will nevee be seen again, but the message was done well. It was easy to understand, and was moral. Jake and Finn rarely "adventured," AT was never really that adventerous >every episode You're just exaggerating, 2deep4u nonsense is only problematic when it falls flat and/or its delivery is total shit.
Kevin Bennett
Might I take a moment to reiterate, to properly pontificate on the state of your affairs. You've split in two! That's two of you! That's one part old and one part new Who's to blame, who to hang? After all we're an angry gang Wizards, and monsters and candy folk too want to know who dropped the poo. There was joy in his young boy eyes now only someone who wishes to die.