Why can't I take the money I am paying into social security and just give it directly to my grandparents?

Why can't I take the money I am paying into social security and just give it directly to my grandparents?

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Why does America allow this kind of socialism?

because they are not hardly the sole recipients of what you may be able to pay and you cannot be trusted to do that

and like public education?
and police?

Why can't I just not pay into SS and keep that money for myself?

Because you wouldn't, you selfish retard

Socialism is State ownership of the means of production. Public Education is not Socialism. The Police are not Socialism. Social Security is not Socialism. Nationalization of Industry is Socialism.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme, but it isn't socialism.

>and like public education?
should not exist
>and police?
exists to enforce the law

>because they are not hardly the sole recipients of what you may be able to pay
Why should I Care about other people's grandparents?

Yes I would

This. Your word that you would use the money for something beneficial doesn't mean shit to anyone because most likely people would only use it to benefit themselves. That doesn't mean you don't have some semblance of control over what your taxed, because everyone does, but the compromise has to exist somewhere in there in order for anything to come of it

That would be unfair to the people who did not contribute to the future of our nation by not having children.

But people taking care of their own elders worked for 1000s of years

>Why can't I take the money I am paying into social security and just give it directly to my grandparents?

because then illegal aliens couldnt get any

They can go back

What's wrong with socialism?

socialism = slavery

because social security is a ponzi scheme

Because niggers' grandchildren don't have any money.

Because the state fucking hates you.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Since they dont live long they actually lose out on retirement benefits though they more than make up for it with disablity

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really makes you think

Instead of taking home what you earn you give it all to the state/master and just hope they will take care of you.

Okay, so what's the problem if they take care of you?

They don't.

Work, earnings you made from said work get taken away.

Why don't you just keep the money that would go to social security and use it when you got older and couldn't work?

>if they take care of you?
Because then you are dependant on them

What's the problem with slavery? Maters take care of the slaves using the slave's work

This solves the problem of taking care of old people that paid into it their whole life and now rely on it

Social security helped break down the family unit. Why both staying with my husband when I can get free money on my own for doing nothing?

Why bother having children when I'll have the state to take care of me when I'm old instead?

I don't care if you trust me or not, it's my goddamned money and my grandma needs it asshole

You only get it when you're 62 years old when it started (fun fact: that was higher than average life expectancy in the 30's) that's well past child bearing age.

SS is another tax that you may or may not get back to varying degree in the future. Once they collect this tax that money ceases to exists and is gone. There is no fund or bank account where it sits waiting for you.

dumbfuck, police are the producers of security. you literally cannot compete with this system; if you arrest someone and take them away you will have taken a hostage. multiple fucking felonies. police are literally socialism.

social security is investment, and while there are competitors, you cannot opt out of it and avail yourself of those alone, such as a 401k. education is the least socialist and yet every day it gets worse, in many states trying to opt out will get you in all kinds of trouble -- unless you're rich.

You and your grandma would both have more money right now if it wasn't for social security.

Really makes you think

>A Ponzi scheme is an investment fraud that involves the payment of purported returns to existing investors from funds contributed by new investors. Ponzi scheme organizers often solicit new investors by promising to invest funds in opportunities claimed to generate high returns with little or no risk. In many Ponzi schemes, the fraudsters focus on attracting new money to make promised payments to earlier-stage investors to create the false appearance that investors are profiting from a legitimate business.

sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

>public school
>least socialist system

Wut

People who vote for socialism are too greedy to invest money in others. They project this quality to everyone else and therefore cannot imagine a society functioning without coercion.

Why can't my welfare have a picture of a happy middle-aged couple with a short description of their lifestyle and goals.

like, "This money was kindly provided by the Scottman family of Ipswich, who were planning to buy a shower guardrail and some spare plates. Their dog is aging so they also need to add specialty dog biscuits into their budget. Maybe next week." then they can decide to "keep you" for another week or trade you in for a new sponsor junkie. if they decide to keep you, then they get to see what you spent the money on.

I want to know who sponsors my habits. and I'm 100% sure they want to know why they pay so much tax.

80k base pay for newly employed state troopers in NY. This system is coming down!

>I don't know what actual socialism is

Because social security is a ponzi scheme. The money you pay in goes directly to the present day recipients. It's not like your money is sitting in a vault somewhere.

>It's not like your money is sitting in a vault somewhere.
But that doesn't answer the question as to why I cant take the money I am paying into it now and just give it directly to someone that collects it

The same thing is going on since the 40s in France, the only goal is to steal money from you, as you would, like many, pay a state pension fund with a fraction of your monthly wage because then you could benefit from the pension redistribution after you retire.
The trick is simply that If u die before a certain period of time the state does a benefit, as he redistributes less money than you gave to him.
I know some people, worked hard as fuck all their life, die quickly after 60, state does not have to pay pension state is full winner.
Also women live in general 7 years more than men so it's yet another inequality.
It's a system of theft

You don't pay more in to the system than you take out unless you are in the top 5% of earners.

Are you?

You benefit from social security.

>You don't pay more in to the system than you take out unless you are in the top 5% of earners.
What are you talking about?
Benefits are linked to income

They need a few decades to earn some interest on it.

No man majority of people die before being able to benefit from this shit, at least in my place.
And especially the hard workers

Because that is exactly what is happening already. The money you pay in goes directly to the current recipients. If everyone could choose who their money goes to people with many decendents would receive way more money than those who don't because people would always choose to give their money to their closest relatives that were eligible to collect. It would break the system almost immediately.

Im 35 and will probably be at the cut off. Thanks kiddos, I appreciate my retirement esp considering I ave spent my entire life drinking and using drugs instead of working so dont have any savings and a 490 credit score.
Work hard, I am needy and appreciate your sacrifice for those of us who cant help themselves.

Should have had kids

Agreed, I am and my kids need more benefits. I have 2 from 2 women I used to live with and another on the way with my new gf.
I had to flee to florida so I can avoid child support payments

I dream of a place where women would not make you pay for a kid

That place is called FLorida. You can duck child support by moving to Florida.

>and like public education?
Yes cut that shit

stfu dumbfuck

Social Security loans money to the government it is needed for low bond yields.

Why do that when they could skim 60% off the top for "administration", and dole it out to multiple people with a laundry list of preconditions?

because muh shekels goyim.

i wouldn't be able to take 30% of your shekels if you did that hehe.

SS will go bankrupt in ~2030. Total scam.

Because paternalism, income disparity, and the amount of money currently tied into social security.

>Paternalism
This is more or less the moral argument for the individual. Social security is a forced annuity because the state does not believe that independent actors can adequately provide for their future.

This is a bit interesting as well, because their logically isn't any real reason the state should have a monopoly on the income dedicated to social security; why not simply require citizens to have an annuity, and have the state as a possible seller of annuities? Why not allow citizens to simply buy annuities that would fulfill the same role as social security with the money they're forced to pay social security?

>Income disparity
Or essentially, not all persons would logically have access to the annuity without the state subsidizing it, but there is no real reason that a negative tax couldn't fill the same role. Still, another ethical argument is that it provides for those who are unable to provide for themselves, but this still doesn't quite state why it should be a monopoly.

>The money tied into social security
If people suddenly became able to spend the money on social security elsewhere, there is a good chance that other businesses could provide better returns for the same annuity.

This might not be a problem for the state, if social security was simply a vault in which funds lay, but the reality is that the government lends out of social security for other programs. To suddenly cut out this source of guaranteed income would be a huge financial head ache for the federal government.

Why can't I keep it in my paycheck and deposit it into a Roth IRA instead?