'Converting gays is our God-given right': Christian pastors fight Illinois ban on controversial therapy for LGBT minors

>'Converting gays is our God-given right': Christian pastors fight Illinois ban on controversial therapy for LGBT minors
>Five clerics want exemption to law which banned gay conversion therapy
>Comprehensive law bars therapists from trying to alter sexual orientation of homosexual youths
>Illinois became fifth state to sign ban into law - though it goes further by allowing victims to file suit on grounds of consumer fraud
>Law went into effect in January
>'Homosexuality is contrary to God's purpose for humanity', pastors claim
>Gay rights groups slam 'fraudulent treatments that attempt to change the unchangeable'

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Sending degenerates straight to perdition is our God-given right.

>button 1: changing someones sexuality is bad
>button 2: you're born gay and can't change

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Best of luck to the pastors.

>'fraudulent treatments that attempt to change the unchangeable'

That's bullshit. I know a gay guy that was in a relationship with a man and now he's with a woman.

Sexuality is their choice.

>Be American
>Brag about free speech
>Tell faggot he can become straight if he wants
>Get sued
Amazing free speech. Meanwhile Scientology is still a thing, this isnt about muh minors being indoctrinated, it's about pushing an agenda. Besides even if it were indoctrination, it's hardly harmful. Oh no he got told to stop sucking dick, this is no different to isis inciting violence!

>being a presumptous asswipe who thinks he can work miracles at the press of a button
>whining when he gets shut down
Yeah no. Nothing of value was lost. You can change, but some Scientology-tier mass-'therapy' won't do that.

Fuck that guy.

Good. Conversion therapy doesn't work and the counselors diddle kids at these camps.

Or, as charitably as possible, wanting to do something and doing it are not the same thing. We have control over what we do, whatever it is we have desires for. We can change our own behaviors. We live now in a world where self-control is seen as an unnecessary restriction and every excuse for what you do except taking responsibility is the norm. The idea that you have to fuck men just because you're attracted to men is an obvious fallacy. If you think there's nothing wrong with fucking men then you shouldn't bother at all with whether or not it's a choice or not, since it's irrelevant.

but button #1 doesnt exist. the issue is that you cant change someones sexuality, and that people who go through "conversion therapy" come out mentally deranged and frequently kill or hurt themselves.

must be tough going through life with down's

>doesnt exist. the issue is that you cant change someones sexuality
says who
>come out mentally deranged
they already are
>frequently kill or hurt themselves.
muh body muh choice

Thats called bisexuality jackass.

if he stops have sex with men he is no longer gay?

Why would sexuality be different from every other aspect of your thinking and feelings that we can change through techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy?

as you guys like to say these days:

Not an argument

No if he can find dicks and pussies attractive then hes bisexual.

Gay people are more likely to have other mental illnesses. It's well documented. This isn't an effect of attempting conversion.

So are you saying that someone could convert you into a cock craving faggot then?

That you have the capacity to take large cocks up your asshole, and enjoy it?

Because like you said,

>Why would sexuality be different from every other aspect of your thinking and feelings that we can change through techniques like cognitive behavioral therapy?

How is it not an argument?

he is no longer a sodomite
That is all that matters

>So are you saying that someone could convert you into a cock craving faggot then?

Why not?

>So are you saying that someone could convert you into a cock craving faggot then?
possibly
I have no desire to find out
Plenty of people turn gay in prison or due to being molested

They will probably bring conversion therapy back if Trump wins
Pence wanted to use HIV-AIDS funding on conversion therapy and Trump's potential SCTOUS(pic related) wanted sodomy ban back

*SCOTUS

That makes you faggots.

Not surprised of course:

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Haggard's Law

>urban dictionary

>sodomite
In the modern world we dont use this barbaric language the appropriate word is queer.
Conversion has no effect on gays only bis, actual gays cannot even comprehend how people are attracted to the opposite gender. You guys are idiots.

A young child has the capacity to become a doctor under the right conditions. That doesn't make the kid a fucking doctor, genius.

desu if the gay conversion therapists didn't have a habit OF PSYCHOLOGICALLY ABUSING PEOPLE, then there wouldn't be this push against it.

But no, they had to engage in psychological torture techniques against kids, and kept them from leaving of their own volition.

people who go through "conversion therapy" come out mentally deranged and frequently kill or hurt themselves.
Guess the therapy works then

I'm not saying I support it, but it's how Republican party works.
>During his first successful run for Congress in 2000, now-Indiana Gov. Mike Pence wrote on his website in a section on LGBT issues that money from a program to help those with HIV/AIDS should go to organizations “which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”

>In a 2003 legal brief arguing to uphold a Texas law criminalizing consensual LGBT sex, Pryor compared it to “polygamy, incest, pedophilia, prostitution, and adultery” and argued that states should be free to prosecute gay people as criminals. He said the rights of LGBT people as a group are not protected by the Constitution.

>“This Court [the Supreme Court] has never recognized a fundamental right to engage in sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual marriage, let alone to engage in homosexual sodomy,” Pryor wrote. “Such a right would be antithetical to the ‘traditional relation of the family’ that is ‘as old and as fundamental as our entire civilization.”

>He also said homosexuality was harmful and that Texans needed protection from it.

>“Texas is hardly alone in concluding that homosexual sodomy may have severe physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual consequences, which do not necessarily attend heterosexual sodomy, and from which Texas’s citizens need to be protected.”

Would it be "psychological torture" if a child was put under similar techniques to correct stuttering or anxiety? Obviously the techniques themselves aren't torture just because you don't like the outcome in this one case.

you hypocrites would flip out if there was an organization converting straight cis youth to homosexuality/trans

you can google it yourself and find the definition on a site you prefer if you want

>The likelihood of a person harboring secret desires to engage in sexual and/or romantic activities with members of the same sex is directly proportional to the frequency and volume of said person's vocalized objections to homosexuality.

I'm married personally, but i'm not the one openly praising conversion therapy (which is proven to damage people) while simultaneously admitting to being open to the idea of receiving anal sex and enjoying it.

Closeted faggots indeed

Why would that make someone a hypocrite. Are you a hypocrite if you're against McDonalds serving human flesh but not against them serving beef?

You are citing an "internet law", a.k.a. a "meme" that somebody on Leddit made up for upboats and which has zero research supporting it.

>you guys would flip out if they were trying to GIVE people mental illness

No shit faggot

>appropriate word is queer
You don't get to dictate how I refer to minorities you spook cunt. Sexual preference is just a behaviour, when behaviour becomes subconscious it becomes a habit. We like to think that we are deep and complicated but really we are just behaviour, habit and emotions. That is all we consist of.

Why do you think that being attracted to the same gender is different to any other habit? It's just another thing that gays consciously feed into (via porn, fantasies etc.) frequently enough to make it an unconscious preference.

I doubt that many people are born with an innate scat fetish, true they may have some past experience with faeces that excited them in some way but in order for this to become a full blown sexual paraphillia it had to be consciously nurtured.

Acting like gays are some kind of exception to sexual disorders is the biggest meme of the 20th century.

Also
pinknews.co.uk/2016/08/10/donald-trump-to-make-secret-appearance-at-anti-lgbt-christian-event-on-orlando-anniversary/

>psychological abuse
>real

Homosexuality is a sympthon of brain problems, same brain problems as women.

now post underage lesbians

When i grew up calling someone a homo or lesbian was like the worst thing you could call anyone except maybe calling someone mentally ill or actually being a homo or lesbian or mentally ill.

Times have changed a lot, i really do not even flinch about homos, lesbians or mentally ill anymore. I think most people do even not care anymore, people just live their lives and try to do their best wether they are straight, homos, lesbians or mentally ill.

>he hasn't seen the power of trap threads

>So are you saying that someone could convert you into a cock craving faggot then?

It's easy to manipulate children user. It's why they are pushing sex classes to have gays in it.

that's because the jews are winning.

...

You're forgetting Sweden is different than America and less religious. Also we follow Lutheranism, Americans are basically Jews. For example in America sexual orientation was never included in Civil Rights Act 1964, so it's legal to fire someone for being gay except in few states.

America also has freedom of religon which includes open gay bashing, for example:
youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fdtmegiZY
youtube.com/watch?v=lOcDndO7m4Q

About 50% of America still do care.

Most Lesbos are Bi despite what they claim. The only ones that aren't are the fat ugly dykes who couldn't get any guy. One of my "lesbian" friends had no problems sitting on my dick and having my raging boner lodged between her ass while we were watching a movie.

They just need a good dicking.

>so it's legal to fire someone for being gay except in few states.
How is this a bad thing

>Most Lesbos are Bi despite what they claim.
No they are either just attention whores are man hating feminists

Homosexuality is found in a bunch of animals meaning its not sexual brain disorder at all if it mutated independently in so many different species.

I'm not saying whether it's good or bad, I'm just saying it's different law than in Sweden. Civil Rights Act 1964 outlaws dicrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Not sexual orientation. The Consitution of Sweden included discrimination based on sexual orientation in 1987. So obviously people have different views.

Pedophilia, necrophilia,incest, murder, rape, etc is also found in the animal kingdom. I guess that makes it ok.

>Also we follow Lutheranism

this reminds me

I googled and saw there are:

2 200 000 000 christians
1 600 000 000 islamists
1 233 000 000 other religions
1 100 000 000 non religious
1 000 000 000 hindus
14 000 000 jews

So less than

>be an inbred bong
>confuse free speech with fraudulent treatment
Are your parents first cousins Ahmed?

There were not more jews when the nazis tried to exterminate them. In fact jews are so few that if you actually see one be very grateful you did and do your best to make them feel welcome, comfortable and accepted.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FUCKING A MAN IN THE ASS!

THE SAME HOLE WHERE HIS SHIT COMES OUT FROM.
SOME OF THESE HOMOS WEAR DIAPERS BY THE AGE OF 40.
BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
ALSO HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT CHILD MOLESTERS.

This. Pointing out that other animals get gay sometimes is not a good argument until you explain why rape is bad but they also do that.

Daily reminder that you aren't a faggot until you touch a man sexually

Homosexual sex is common but not exclusive Homosexuality. There's a big difference between two male monkeys boning each other and a male monkey who rejects females as anything other than platonic friends and seeks to get fucked in the ass by the more dominant monkeys who reject him.

First of all america being jew is like wrong, there are 14 millions jews today and most live in Israel while there are 2,2 billion christians and 1,6 billion muslims.

I haven't read the civil rights act but i have read about declaration of independence:

"All men (and women) are created equal and there are certain unalienable rights that governments should never violate. These rights include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

So technically a church or religion attacking gays should be declared unlawful and thereby banned and its follower imprisoned and or expelled from the country.

God himself will ALWAYS hate Scientology

>Swedecuck thinks churches are attacking gays
literally the other way around
youtube.com/watch?v=dZrY9Njx2M8
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youtube.com/watch?v=PucB5hA2giI

Hey this was your chance to expel all muslims ;-) - just kidding :D.

>These rights include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Why therapies can't be included in the right to change his sexuality, we're not talking as something mandatory or at least i don't look it in that way, but if they can choose it, then there's nothing wrong about it.

Actually yes. If the mutation that causes it wasn't forced to stay in the gene-pool it wouldn't be as prevalent.

They don't contradict each-other. You can brainwash a faggot that he's evil and that he should breed, and he'll hate himself and create more genetic faggots.

Amen.

If Americans aren't Jews why they mutilate their cocks like Jews?

>So technically a church or religion attacking gays should be declared unlawful and thereby banned and its follower imprisoned and or expelled from the country.
No, it goes against 1st amendment. It's seen as part of religion and gays don't count in Civil Rights Act. Declaration of independence is different and doesn't matter in this.

Before Orlando the imam at Orlando mosque talked about killing gays. But in America it's completely right because it's freedom of religion. And they can't ban one religion from saying something and let another not say those things.
youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

*and let another one say those things

Double standards exist for a reason user because there is no such thing as logically equally opinions. My point here is that gayness is in a bunch of animals meaning its not a mental disorder.

>>Sexuality is their choice.
So if you wanted to, right now, you could get and maintain an erection to a guy porking another in the ass and reach orgasm?

You're such a moron.

>If Americans aren't Jews why they mutilate their cocks like Jews?
Dr. Kellogg. Look it up. American circumcision (surprisingly) has nothing to do with Jews.

Good. You'd think if this shit worked there'd be tons of converted gays around who could speak on behalf of these programs, but instead it's just the clerics responsible for the 'therapy'.

If homosexuality is indeed genetic and not mental then what are they afraid of?

Are they saying a homosexual is legally obligated to remain a homosexual?

Free speech isn't necessarily extended to fraudulent "therapeutic" practices.

>le gayness is a mental illness meme

And yet acupuncture, chiropractic, crystal healing, and others aren't illegal.
>fraudulent practice

Those aren't illegal, just not recognized.

It was classified as such until a few decades ago.

Depends on the technique. If a therapist or doctor uses unnecessarily painful or abusive methods in any case, they can lose their license.

"Conversion therapy" is at best a hoax, because it has no legitimate claim to efficacy. So it's a fraudulent business.

But it's also psychologically damaging to gays, some of whom are forced into it by their parents.

>comparing homosexuality to paraphilias
Even fucking China removed it from their classification of disorders. Coprophilia isn't remotely comparable to non-heterosexuality.

Nice strawman.
When did he say those were acceptable because they were found in nature?

There are some types of sheep that have exclusively homosexual members.

>If one thing is ok, all things are ok
Where does this retarded logic come from?

Alternative medicine and Eastern medicine aren't recognized but there's no consensus that they're harmful. In cases of outright dangerous fraud (look up black salve cancer treatment) the government issues official warnings and takes some action.
It was removed because the APA realized that activists and protestors had a point. There was no reason to keep the diagnosis.

Not an argument.

I'd just ignore this, it's too hard to accept.

My brother works with a lot of fags and they all fuck each other through apps/websites while in various states for work. One or two have a family.

My friend grew u in cali and he said it's absolutely degenerate to the max. The stories he told me are sick to think of.

You're a degenerate faggot, we're supposed to reproduce and have children not fuck guys in the ass you stupid motherfucker. It's simple common knowledge. You're being led and fooled by the satan worshiping child sacrificing and fucking niggers of the world. If you aren't a fag, you are a faggot sympathizer and you're a nigger.

You stupid motherfuckers are actually comparing us to sheep and monkeys. This is the dumbest shit i've read in a very long time.

>people who go through "conversion therapy" come out mentally deranged and frequently kill or hurt themselves.
so like trannies?

>>'Converting gays is our God-given right'

The way they worded that makes them sound like the Cybermen from Dr Who.

>YOU WILL BE UPGRADED, IN THE NAME OF THE LORD