What would've happened if Spain had colonized the current area where Brazil sits instead of Portugal...

What would've happened if Spain had colonized the current area where Brazil sits instead of Portugal? How different would South America be?

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It would be the same

It would be like 5 countries instead of 1, with 1 of them being somewhat decent and the rest Bolivia/Venezuela-tier

Why don’t you go back to your containment thread and then kill yourself, sandcoon?

Same shithole, different language

Where do you think these countries would be located? Specially the decent one?

>american
>sandcoon

What did he mean by this?

Wouldnt be the same The country would be divided as small countries, and people in the south would live as good as Argentinians because of the division to northern Brazil

O Peru dará o melhor esforço!

Argentina is a shithole so it would be the same

You don't know what shithole is till you live here

Brazil would be divided in 4 or 5 countries, and they would be considerably less black, with most non whites being more like Paraguayans than Brazilian pardos

And? India has low homicide rates.

We wouldn't be a Empire and sheeit

Brazil would be 5 or more irrelevant countries, full of amerindians, very few euros, probably full of blacks too.

Actually it would be shittier

How do you think they get over populated. Being white or more developed than India don't make us any safer.

Southern/Southeast Brazil

Fun fact: Pedro I and II brought Euro immigrants to Brazil.

Being a Spanish colony, you would be a big Bolivia because Spain didn't give a shit to cool and cold areas

This, this and this. Independence was our biggest mistake. Portuguese emperors were racist as fuck and promoted eugenics

Brazilians in this thread are pretty ignorant

Bolivia, Peru, Mexico, Central America, had Amerindian civilizations with farmers and towns and cities and had an Amerindian population in the millions when the Spaniards arrived. That is the main reason they are full of natives.

There was nothing like than in Brazil, or many other places of Spanish America, like Cuba or Argentina.

Spain bought far less slaves than both Portugal and England. And didnt enslave blacks in Africa, the ones that were bought were bought from other colonial powers involved in slaving. Portugal was the country that brought the most blacks from Africa to the Americas.

More Europeans emmigrated to Argentina in the 1880-1930 period than to Brazil. The Euro immigrants who went to Brazil would have gone too if they spoke Spanish instead. It was a phenomenon of the period related to the population boom in Europe, unemployment there, the low population density of the Americas and the need of the new States to populate that land.

The main reason Brazilians are kinda whitish even if mixed race, is the huge emmigration of over half a million Portuguese in the first half of the 1700s when Portugal discovered gold in Minas Gerais, that changed the demographics of Brazil, it was similar to the Californian gold rush. Before that Brazilians spoke a language similar to Guarani.

If Spain had colonized Brazil, now it would be divided in 5 smaller countries, the northeast would be less black, but all the Euro immigrants who went to the south and southeast would still have gone there.

Nothing better to Brazil.

Nah, most of Brazilians could be like Peruvians, Bolivians instead of Paraguayans. The country would be or not less Black: Is Dominican Republic, Venezuela or Cuba less Black? I don't think so. The country would be much less European and White than it is.

What would have happened if spain had more time to colonize and Ibero America was more Ibero generically

They had time and they did all wrong.

They would eat puchero de mono instead of sopa de macaco.

All latino countries are shitholes. It's like saying light yellow piss is better to drink than normal yellow piss.

We'd be smaller, but more manageable shitholes than one giant shithole.

Independent countries would still have evolved and some would have immigration policies like the ones in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile

Speak for yourself.

t. immigrant from Eastern Europe to Chile

Chile had a pro-European immigration policy like Argentina?

Yeah, we had them, we didn’t received as much as Argentina, Brazil or Uruguay because of the longer distance from Europe but still large parts of the south and the coast have large European ancestry. My own great grandfather was Croatian

Why did so many Croatians go there? Why are there so many Arabs?

> so many Arabs
lol what

if you mean Palestinians - they were mostly Christian, running from Arabs killing them

Yeah, but why do you have so many of them?

why do US have so many Irish? because they decided to move there

very few people from Europe immigrate to Latin America nowadays, 95% of all the immigrants come from other LatAm countries.

I was just asking for an explanation

It’s probably because the first ones that came here didn’t receive rejection and adapted pretty well, and they actually became part of the society, so they spread the word and it became a popular destination for them

also the European ones found climates pretty similar to the ones they were accustomed to in the Southern Cone, and communities were formed pretty quickly

>very few people from Europe immigrate to Latin America nowadays
relatively few, in the last five years we got:
- 240,000 Peruvians
- 155,000 Colombians
- 123,000 Bolivians
- 40,000 Haitians
- 38,000 Venezuelans
- 35,000 Argentinians
- 20,000 Spaniards
- 18,000 Americans
- 13,000 Chinese

>- 40,000 Haitians

Why?

what the fuck is wrong with paraná? I thought south brazil was supposed to be first world

Source? preferably chilean

I hear lots of north easterners have migrated there.

What is your opinion of venezuelan immigrants in your country? How are they treated by the media and the public general speaking?

extranjeria.gob.cl/media/2016/02/Anuario-Estadístico-Nacional-Migración-en-Chile-2005-2014.pdf
not as recent as you would like but the best one since the 2017 census results will be available from March

Due to the situation of their country, they’re not seen as bad as say, Colombians or Peruvians, and we kinda feel bad about them, plus the overwhelming majority of them are good people (not like Colombians, again). Haitians are seen like that too

Thanks a lot. This one is interesting too, check it out: extranjeria.gob.cl/media/2017/07/AnuarioEstadisticoNacionalDEM2015.pdf

We would have been AMERINIDIANS

why do you try to force that meme so badly?

Haitians are, by a huge margin, the most rejected nationality by Chilean authorities. Colombians, the least one. Venezuelans, Peruvians, Bolivians are in between.

venezuelans=castizos, good people, well educated
haitians=blacks, good people, uneducated
colombians =mestizos, bad people, uneducated

people with tourist visas and such don't count as immigrants, my retard friend.

I’m sorry, do you live here? Because that’s not the Chilean flag I see there
I’m talking about the popular opinion of chileans, not what politicians do about this issue, which by the way is not what most people would do either, politicians suck here too.
I’m sorry if you got offended, but sadly we have really bad stereotypes about Colombians and our border neighbours, and aside from being poor, we don’t have that much of Haitians, and you can see that reflected in the media and the opinions of actual people from here

They would be as black as now even under spanish rule, niggers were taken there to work on the sugar plantations like in the US, that's also the reason why the abolished slavery so late.

only the parts where they can grow sugar cane

>if Spain had colonized the current area where Brazil sits instead of Portugal
the local protuguese "WE WUZ PT" ocuppied the west when they were the same country during the iberian union
honestly the same but wihout monarchy, we would go strait to dictatorship or "republic"

>They would be as black as now
not really
the spanish enslaved the amerindians or put them into servitude, this was outlawed here very early, portuguese favor blacks as better workers, the natives lived under the protection of the church, many were send to the spanish lands

I'm greek

Long ago in SA countries like Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela were a better destiny for immigration than Chile, so the first arabs to come to SA were in those countries, so when the Palestinians moved to South America, they wanted a decent country but without other arabs and that's why they are in Chile, or at least that's what most history books says

>occupied the west
what do you mean? did they hold up in the amazon to resist spanish rule?

the borders stop existing so they make settlements further to the west

But weren’t you getting your Arabs at the same time as everyone else in SA? And why did they care if there were other Arabs, there? Most were Christians like them.

india is dark skinned, but isn't nigger skinned like you thanks to portugal african colonies.

arn

Mi tatara abuelo y mi bis abuelo viajron desde Bethlem (belen, actual palestina) hasta Chile debido a la persecución de los turcos otomanos (musulmanes), muchos cristianos ortodoxos y judios viajaron, una de las cosas que propicio el viaje fue que la zona central de Chile se parece mucho geograficamente (clima) a la zona de donde provenian, lo que facilitaba la adaptación.
Cabe decir que no todo fue maravilla, en un principio fueron vistos con cautela por los pobladores locales ya que no llegaron como "refugiados" y no tuvieron ayuda de un organismo gubernamental, los arabes que llegaron a Chile se partieron la espalda trabajando duro por sus familias y debido a que demostraron lo esforzado que eran y los sacrificios que hacían día a día hizo que la gente los aceptara y facilito aún mas su adaptación.

>t. el Chileno que es árabe/anglo/mapuche/español

pd: Mi tatara abuelo era comerciante y mi bis abuelo igual, estos "turcos" si para algo son buenos es pal negocio :v

Abstain yourself from using our hideous language here

This. From the US-Mexico border to tip of Patagonia, it's all shit.

teljas te zi

some indians can be pretty dark

are you unironically replying to someone who write "nigger skinned"