Ban religions

How about we just ban all religions?

We don't need to have fairy tales, that supposedly happened for real, to be weaved into books of traditional teachings about morals and basic living tips for pre-industrial life.
People say that not all religious people are bad, it's just the radicals who nitpick all the bad stuff from their holy books, but why are all those bad things in the books in the first place?
If there are over a billion of moderate peace loving religious people, then why don't they just edit all the warmongering stuff out of their books?
You would curb the chances of psychologically disturbed people getting ideas for terrorism substantially by denouncing those aggressive ideas. Yet nobody speaks of this, you have billions of people looking at their epics of conflict against another ethnic/religious group and saying "yep, that's all correct, I'm going to force my family into this bookclub, including my impressionable young son with intense hormonal activity, surely introducing him to ideological conflict based on sky wizards is going to turn him into a peaceful productive member of society.".

Most of this is obviously targeted at muslims, but you could extend the premise to all organized religions.
If the existential crisis truly hits a person so hard that he can't help it but become delusional with grandiouse stories or kill himself, then we should only allow one of those options, for the benefit and longevity of society as a whole.

To the pyre with you.

You would want that, you godless heathen.

We should.

Enver Hoxha had the right idea. Any resisters can rot.

yes also ban atheism

Only organized religion should be banned, that is the real problem

Where's your fucking toothbrush you nigger?

>organized religions
Proof you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Religion is inherently structured or else it's just spirituality.

"Organized religion" is a communist meme to get you to hate religion while not feeling bad about it.

All the supposed prophets, who had direct connections with "god", were all textbook cases of schizophrenics.

if you know anything about humans, you know a law like that would be twisted and abused to suit other purposes and we will all end up worse off

How is 4 chan real if you are from reddit and you dont even know how to post?

Start with organised religion, sure. Public practice should be banned, it's fine if you want to pray in your house or whatever

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You don't need to ban them. Educated people abandon them.

See: U.S.S.R.

No, better we just ban atheism, is one of the reasons of degeneracy

>mfw god is real and all atheist burn in hell because they believed the jew

All religions aren't organized by central authorities.
Organized religions are the ones with global reach and billions of dollars worth of funds, paying for thousands of professional indoctrinators.

>mfw in heaven with cute girls while atheist fucking shits burn in hell

I'm pretty sure jews believe in god

Estonia why so infidel?

Hitler also slept on a bed.

USSR had a pretty good educational system as well, if you count out the political propaganda.

Almost as much as atheist , jews go from in to the oven in to the eternal fire , like pottery

Jews are mostly atheist today, even they promotes atheism

Alexander the Great!
Alfred of Wessex.
Aristotle.
Come on, show me how these who claimed contact with a higher understanding were schizos.

so does the devil

so we are talking about ethnic jews here, not religious jews?

funny how you don't make that distinction

almost as if you are brainwashed

People should be allowed to believe in fairy tales if they choose to

Those aren't religion founding messiahs.
People falsely attribute sudden surges of clarity or "prophetic" dreams to acts of divinity.

Atheism was an indirect cause of modern degeneracy.

>Marxists employ atheism to keep people from thinking about God over their meme government
>It works to where religion is easily objectable to psuedointellectuals and useful idiots
>Meme governments turn out to be a disaster for reasons unrelated to religion
>People don't want to accept blunt atheism because that experiment turned out badly, but still feel comfortable challenging God
>Serving neither God nor state means that you end up being a hedonist degenerate

If you go talk to a degenerate, they'll probably say they're just "agnostic" or "nonreligious" or some other shit to avoid committing to atheism at all.

Spirituality isn't a religion. Religion requires set convictions, which require authority.

that's how leftists like stalin and mao did it... i suppose you wish to model their approach with your other leftist ideas.

why are all of you leftists so unoriginal? you follow the same playbook and hundreds of millions die.

>any comparison made that points out a potential flaw in my idea is just coincidence and probability
Quit being a retard.
Religion is the basis of all thought, any presuppositions are by definition "religious".
You can ether fix the system of taxonomy to be more precise or you must exterminate man altogether including yourself.
Also, religion is the winning mans game.
If those middle easterners were secular atheists do you think they'd be beating the shit out of Europe?
Secular Europe?
I remember when Europe was entirely religious, Islam trembled at the sound of European marching.

Athiests need to become more based

Because the banning of religion will become a religion

Which would still make them prophets, Aristotle was in a way a founder of rationalism and fits the description of prophet in the respect of his insight and appeal to a higher understanding.
It seems you've just run head first into a wall and now you're back peddling.

Its both a jew by by blood or a jew by religion there are no real jews anymore but that graph is religious fake jews

>people should be allowed to believe that their god wants them to dehumanize non-believers and convert the world with violence.
Religions are akin to non-democratic ideologies trying to take over a government.

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Sure, I'll admit I'm a socialist. I'm not a Stalinist though.

Democracy is a mistake, it's just mob rule and the tyranny of the 51%, it's ultimately the most dehumanizing because it says if you aren't the majority (the strongest) then you are objectively wrong and can be considered "lesser" (basically inhuman).
Religion refers to men as men, Christianity especially in its doctrine of equality in the creation story.

There's really nothing other than your opinion preventing you from being a Stalinist though right?

If religion is so good why in Polan only evil people have nice life?

I could revert Pascal wager. If there is no God the only thing you have is life here.

>why in Polan only evil people have nice life?
everyone in Polan is evil, so it's a logical necessity

Pascal's wager isn't a wager, it's a different sort of wagering.
Pascal wagers than you the subject, have a deeper reason, one beyond feelings and rationalities, a reason of the heart which makes the others possible, and his bet is you'll find God there.

today I bet they would say he has schizophrenia or something

also many people do not find G*d nor anything

This life means nothing , when you are rich you become corrupt, and being poor is a blessing,

When you are handsome you fuck a lot of chicks and you end up in hell , being ugly is the blessing

We should believe only in Philoshopy and Greco-Roman gods.
Europe should be romanized again.

Hey fuckface! Ban your secular humanism and then go kill yourself.

What the fuck are you talking about?
The topic is about religion founders, who convince people that the voices in their head are of divine origin.
You don't need religion to unite against a common enemy. It just happened that religion had an uniting aspect to it back then against a rival religion.
Religion isn't the basis of all thought, life experiences are, if you can't distinguish the two then it doesn't really surprise me, seeing your flag.

Estonia stop being stupid.
You're still hurt by communist culture. Time to fix your country.

>You don't need religion to unite against a common enemy.

You do i have not see anyone say we should unite under the banner of atheism, but deus vult ?that might unite

Religion is giving people a false sense of understanding of the world.
This flaw opens them up to manipulation.
They are fine with letting "God" dole out justice against the wicked, instead of doing something about it themselves.

If there is no afterlife at all rich and fucking lot of chicks has won the life. And you giving another cheek for t. Jesus lost it.

Also if you are gay, psychically ill you are sheltered more than a believer. You cannot make fun of the first two while you can literally shit on the latter. T. democracy and t. equality.

Even tribes that have no connection with the outside world have their own various religions. It's in "our blood". I prefer to study that side of us as opposed to banning everything that seemed "spiritual"/fairly tale TO YOU, and parading with a rainbow flag..

>how about we just ban
No.

Also, you could make all the Muslims atheists tomorrow and nothing would change. They are genetically inferior, that is the problem.

What is NATO?
Fighting muslims with christianity would just add more resolve into their hearts, confirming that it's a religious conflict, and not just them being backwards savages.

only an atheist could think such insane thoughts. your conscious mind is a miracle in itself. your discount this earth, this garden of eden as nothing when compared to the black sea of space.

you ignore the most powerful evidence for God's existence so that you can wallow in your self-pity which is all due to your laziness and self-hatred. you are awash in deadly sins and ask WHY do i not feel normal.

it's not entirely your fault, the last 3-4 decades in your country the church was steadily undermined by your enemies (leftists). people that sought to have you and your generation be godless and thus enemies of western civilization just like they. you just happen to be playing into the trap a little too well.

>If the existential crisis truly hits a person so hard that he can't help it but become delusional with grandiouse stories or kill himself, then we should only allow one of those options, for the benefit and longevity of society as a whole.

The need for religion stems from anxiety of freedom that a developed consciousness gives us.
People like systems and rules.

So?

Their resolve means nothing if they're in mass graves.

NATO is not going to unite anything when the member countries are falling apart inside their borders from decades of globalist immigration and subversion attacking the church.

that's one of the problems with globalism vs nationalism. when nations fought that were homogeneous millions died... so we just dilluted your white countries with the people you hated and fought. now those same conflicts are still there, but in the next neighborhood and getting voted into office as your politician and judge.

Are you not asking for a system yourself?

>Godless
>Heathen

Which one faggot?

Life is a statistical probability expressing itself.
Nothing to do with a sky wizard that whispers into the minds of "chosen ones".
You intend to put the entire muslim world into graves? This will never happen. Stop fantasizing about genocide of people you don't know.
Globalism vs nationalism has nothing to do with religion. It just happens that the immigrants coming into europe and now america are muslims. Dumb leftist baby boomers being out of touch with reality shouldn't be reacted to with religious fervor, which would just put us on the same level with the goat fuckers.
Government is ideally grounded to reality, with checks and balances. Forgetting religion would allow repressed communities to express themselves more positively. Embracing it just leads to more nonsensical conflict about fairytales and archaic social norms.

Government is your version of God. You wax lyrical about it as if it is something holy and unquestionable. That's where you fail. There is, never was, and there will never be a perfect government. No matter what it is grounded on.

is this copypasta?

Governments are made of real people. With humanist secular laws that deal with tangible things. They are also subject to change as society progresses. Everything works bottom-up.
There is no such system for religions. It's all top-down.

>It's all top-down.
I deserve a citation.

You are wrong.
That is basically communism. Progress is a subjective thing.
The only real valuable policy is keep your people alive, your nation against others.

>mfw Allah is real and all kufrs burn in Jahannam
>mfw in Jannah with cute translucent virgins while kufr fucking shits burn in Jahannam

except of course, the one who validated his claim with the fulfillment of prophecy, who's resurrection was witnessed by hundreds and documented by four independent narratives, plus numerous other epistles. Buddha was more a philosopher than a religious teacher and probably got his original message butchered by hundreds of years of oral tradition. Hinduism is a mess, paganism is a mess and is mostly adopted now by edgy neo-Nazis, local religions are pretty much a mess too. New Age/Wicca exists only due to witch shows, so Islam and Christianity remain. Islam has the Quran and hadith as holy texts, and the Quran contradicts itself hundreds of times and has no evidence of existing until well after Muhammad died, and comes solely from one man. Also it contains no prophecy and has made numerous scientific errors(but muh scientific foreknowledge). The Hadith is rejected by even some Muslims and aren't even proven to be 100% authenic by them. Christianity is the only religion that proves it's claims

>mfw Allah is real and all kufrs burn in Jahannam

Forgot to add "because they believed the jew" - funny how that fits in both cases, innit?

People can't change the directive of a religious text. It's non-negotiable.
Progress isn't subjective when it eliminates discriminatory and unjust laws or authorities, which impend on personal liberties that don't threaten sustainability of the state.
The real valuable policy is sustainability of a system where people have the opportunity to live out their lives however they want, in a way that doesn't threaten the same right for others.

>life is a statistical probability
highly ordered information doesnt randomly spring out of uniformity. at least you admit that you discount your own unique self and conscious mind as anything of worth. only insane people do this. i suppose i questioned my religion once, but then i graduated from middle school.

>Globalism vs nationalism has nothing to do with religion
it has everything to do with religion. leftists like yourself always attack religion as it is the best way to organize, destroy and ultimately bury people like yourself. i dont like muslims, but they are pious. as such, any human with a pious heart has infinite worth over an atheist/apostate like yourself.

>believing in this one world atheist government
are you off your meds? this fantasy of yours will never happen. everytime someone insane like yourself gets into power and tries it, it fails after millions die. the pious alway overcome. atheism is inherently weak because nobody is willing to fight and die for it being the special temporary snowflake that they are.

is this representative of the level of education in your country? holy shit. your ignorance is much more scary than the elementary level arguments you make.

>that don't threaten sustainability of the state

So the discriminatory laws and impending on personal liberties is fine if the sustainability of the state would otherwise be threatened?

A tribe should rule itself as it wants, and that laws should remain forever.
Other is relativism. Other peoples will want to conquer you (islam) if you don't have a strong nationalism in your country.

i agree on your general dismissal of most of those religions. i wish to point out that the pious and brave will never perish. it is the Christian world that is lacking these qualities. we as Christians have allowed open atheism, apostasy, and degeneracy to become common place public spectacle. we have witnessed the destruction of the nuclear family unit that has carried us through time itself... the destruction of institutions that took millenia to develop through western thought. all of this in our lifetimes.

> the Quran contradicts itself hundreds of times and has no evidence of existing until well after Muhammad died
That's because his followers all memorized the verses. Learn your history.

What claims does the bible prove? Retrospective geopolitical events don't count.
There is absolutely nothing that proves the bible's validity. It's obvious because if it did, then the christians wouldn't shut up about it.
>highly ordered information doesnt randomly spring out of uniformity
It obviously does, demonstrated by rigorous work of scientists.

The rest of your post is nothing but emotional rambling.
Yes, this is why we put criminals in jail. Are you reading what you're posting?
What if that tribe decides that now they're a warrior society that specializes in sacking other tribe's settlements and raping their women?
Strong nationalism doesn't work if you're outnumbered 100 to 1.

>Yes, this is why we put criminals in jail. Are you reading what you're posting?

How is the sustainability of the state threatened by criminals? :^)

Atheists form mostly LGBT and such shitty groups. They are the biggest cause of social structure falling.

That is without a doubt the most Jewish sentiment I've ever seen posted on Sup Forums, and I guarantee you made ritualistic sacrifices to moloch before you completed the captcha to undermine God when you lied at "I'm not a robot"

Burn in eternal hellfire with your kike friends who lied to the entire world about a holocaust that never happened.

My friend, strong nationalism of other people is what gave you a strong country to live in and not a sandnigger shithole.
Thanks to a warrior society, how you call them, you have a language, social manners and people who understand you and to live peacefully with.
Is tribalism, fascism, and also strong phisolophical and religious beliefs that allow you to live in peace, with laws and talking at this moment.

you assume that progression is a desirable trait here. societies that "progress" disintegrate without the glue of religion and tradition. i'll assume that isnt your true goal though for the moment.

Christians can prophecise and witness. miracles can be observed and testified to. you have very limited knowledge on religion, it's clear. so why are you so adamant to reveal your ignorance on so many subjects? i understand you are just trying to make people be as miserable as you are, but we arent. it is almost enjoyable to correct you, and it is enjoyable watching people much smarter than you set you straight. the sad part, is that you just ignore solid well written responses and change the subject. this is known as intellectual dishonesty, you should google it sometime kid.

This is now a Trump, Project Murphy thread.

Banning religion is fucking dumb, only asshole loser communist countries do that. Islam is the only religion that's a problem anyway.

Islam is great because it lets us know who is Islamic.

>demonstrated by scientists
who are sentient beings made in Gods image. you arent really addressing the point i made though, my point was that DNA/life is highly ordered information. a lifeless inert universe heading towards an oblivion of cold uniform entropy supposedly randomly created this? any person not in middle school would have had a better response.

one thing Christians and Muslims can usually agree on, atheists are cancer and should be removed.

Take religion out of politics seriously dictating policy based on the bible is no different then sharia law

> nobody is willing to fight and die for it

excellent point yet atheist are driven by greed, lust and fear (and more)

it gives them a big boost

>made in God's image

The fact that this is being said by a white man who is supposedly an adult is laughable. You make fun of sandniggers but believe the exact same imaginary butt buddy in the sky bullshit. It's a shame that religion has managed to brainwash people in the 21st century. I won't even bother arguing with you because I know you'll just scream about how I'm going to taste god's thundercock or something, so feel free to yell at yourself in response.

>Ban believing in a God
>Ban not believing in a God

Schrodinger's faith?

>Estonia
>ban religion
Checks out

Not sure i see you point desu

people are still locked into the idol worship and god mentality.

>be forced since birth to believe in original sin, that you are unworthy, shameful, and will never come close to attaining the perfection of "god"

>"how can my parents and most of humanity be wrong?"

>be a good goy and work in this factory for 30 years. you dont deserve anything better anyway, your just an ignorant sinner. maybe if your good god will reward you when you die

tfw modern day slavery

if you can erase the innate fear of death that exists in human and cut out the curiosity for understanding then you can get rid of religion. but good luck with that fag

>theocracy is bad
it's not an ideal system, but a Chrsitian theocracy wouldnt be all that bad for a limited cleansing. the thing that gave the western world an edge was this delicate balance. muslims executed anyone who dared to ask why. Christians gave them a safe-harbor of free thought.

societies that go too far left crumble and disintegrate from open degeneracy and laziness, the glue of tradition and religion cannot hold it all together.

societies that go too far right, end up removing all of their artists and scientists and falling way behind in worthwhile scientific and beneficial societal progress.

the western world found this balance and essentially brought the entire world into the modern era single handedly.

Erm... us protestants don't buy into that catholic bullshit.

I hope for your sake that isn't a real question.
Warrior societies aren't the only kinds of society that survive time, quite the contrary.
What's allowing me to live in peace is that people realized that enforced humanist laws are good for everyone.
> societies that "progress" disintegrate without the glue of religion and tradition
They don't actually, it's a historian meme.
Humanist ideas empower individuals, individuals seek personal liberties, new personal liberties usually clash with the contemporary authorities. The authorities either adapt or break under individualist pressure. This individualism is what gave us democratic nation states.
>Christians can prophecise and witness
It's funny how the occurrences of prophecies and miracles have fallen in direct relation to the rise of recording devices.
>DNA/life is highly ordered information
It isn't though, there's a lot of junk dna left over from our evolutionary past, the only dna being expressed are the ones that don't inhibit propagation of the genes.
Also we don't know for certain where the universe is heading.
Are you saying that religious people aren't driven by the same emotions? Why would they force their religion on others if not to sate those same needs.

I wont even bother arguing with you because i know you'll just get dragged out of your house by a muslim and murdered before we finish.

i know you are probably still in high school or something, so what's your view of all the white men who were Christians that discovered literally everything that was every discovered prior to 1960? just curious how you got the idea that Christian white men are bad (i'm assuming you are white and able to have a conversation based on abstract though).

have schizophrenia thousands of years ago
>think it's divine communication
>tell dumb peasants a bunch of rules that can't be challenged because they come from a higher power to keep them in line
>profit