Post ancap meme faggots

Post ancap meme faggots

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It's always russians pushing for these memes. Butthurt communism didn't work?

idi nahui

russians want ''free'' stuff just as much as muslims and blacks

Is there such thing as "anarcho national socialism" ?
If there is, I definitely am one.

There is not.

national libertarianism

I don't really give a shit about forced memes but this one is just horrible.

It just feels like someone's mom figured out how memes work and tried to make one, hoping that it would fill the void left by a broken marriage and children that never amounted to anything.

Kinda sad, really.

So is there, or is there not ?

Post commie versions.

there are no societies like that, but just because you're thinking about it means it exists.

national libertarianism is a meme

You're a national socialist along with the rest of us, just accept it.

That's what I meant.
Ancaps wouldn't allow me killing and looting other races "for no reason"

Not every country wants to be a libertarian Somalian paradise like you, Sven?

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>the only argument people have is muh Somalia
>they don't know jack shit about it and only parrot things they heard

it's like I'm on stormfront

somalia is not an argument. their government is corrupt as hell and their IQ is abyssmal.

Pol is obviously the definition of cancer, but even here such memes seem to be reddit-tier.

it's literally just a strawman in a .png file.

>2 posts by this ID

>feels like someone's mom figured out how memes work and tried to make one, hoping that it would fill the void left by a broken marriage and children that never amounted to anything.
That's not true but it sounds fucking hillarious, I hope this happens at some point.

Traditionalism is the real redpill

Will Johnson make child slaves legal?

>I hope this happens at some point.

It kind of already did.

>just like a robot but lazy smelly and unhygenic

pass

fresh OC gett yer fresh OC!!!

That's neither capitalist nor anarchist.

but it could easliy exist in an ancap society u twat

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OC by the way, i hope you giggled

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>that text
Fucking hell. There really are no native Brits left in Bongland are there?

So in the most non meme way possible, what the fuck IS "anarcho capitalism" exactly? From the images all I really get from it is that its pure anarchy in regards to basic law we have today but I guess it also has general social agreements (NAP) with regards to gaining capital, but if those agreements are violated in anyway its anarchy again

No state, no taxes.
Driven a 100% by corporations.
A childish fantasy expecting people to not behave selfishly and cheat the system.
communism 2.0

The main concept of capitalism is to allow the individual to function as fully as a market agent as possible. To do that, the government has to be fully reduced to an anarchic state.

The only system of exchange in an anarchic system would be a capitalist one. Conversely, a purely capitalist system one is anarchic.

MODS

How can you cheat what does not exist?

People will always try to build systems to advantage themselves over others. You can call ancap a childish fantasy, but it wouldn't be because it isn't based on understanding selfish behaviors.

The point of ancap would be no state. And that nap and the like exist. This system is unsustainable and will lead to feudalism/a monarchy. I do consider that to cheat the system to gain more power. especially if you're the leader of a private military. I suppose it wouldn't be cheating in the traditional sense.

>People will always try to build systems to advantage themselves over others.
exactly, which means the private militaries will establish a system, cooperating or owning other corporations themselves to get a monopoly. Cheating the point of a free market. This is the failure of an ancap society, it's childish because it doesn't take things like being selfish into account, like communism, which advocates for only state, instead of only corporations.

>but it wouldn't be because it isn't based on understanding selfish behaviors.

It doesn't understand selfish behaviors and it is actively ignoring this massive flaw, which, is childish.

The AnCap system doesn't reach that point if people are so selfish that they are unwilling to join PMCs. If anything, the AnCap system assumes a higher level of self-interest than any other system. Plus, all the memes are about what can only be described as a 0-altruism society.

I just don't see this whole "they don't understand selfishness" thing.

I unironically think that anarcho-monarchism is possible. Hear me out guys.
1. A centralized authority with centralized responsibility is more efficient because some issues have very distributed responsibility in the typical marketplace. Responsibility for some forms of pollution, some necessary subsidies, etc basically to correct market failures.
2. A one-person central authority is superior to many other forms of central authority because the incentives are incredibly centralized and you only need one genius to fill the seat, instead of multiple. There are reasons you have a CEO instead of a nation of CEOs when you set up a company.
3. Citizens each have a very standardized capacity for millitary strength. Regulations on this strength are enforced by making trade of weapons very regulated.
4. With only a small multiple of the millitary strength that each citizen has, a ruler on this scale will have a centralized incentive to contain pollution and properly subsidize industries with positive externality.
5. The multiple should end up being halfway between two citizen values: for example, if every citizen has 1 unit of military strength, the ruler should have 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5 or 5.5 units of millitary strength. This way, X quantity of people disagreeing with the king/central authority will still not have incentive to start a war because it is clear that they will lose, but X + 1 quantity of people disagreeing will have enough military force to make the king bargain with them and abdicate the throne, so as to avoid conflict which he has no chance of winning. Secure capacity for violence removes the incentive towards violence.
6. This is basically NRx, isn't it?
7. Still, this is how anarcho-capitalism will turn into something else. The market will realize its own failures and attempt to amend them.
8. If I haven't made it clear enough already, the whole point is that you should be able to have a king which can be deposed any time he betrays his people.

You're assuming everyone wants to be king in that scenario. No, a lot of people want to be soldiers on the winning side, or risk it so they can be on the winning side. There will be people who join a cause to establish a monarchy because they will get good positions in said monarchy for being early soldiers, and as their power grow so will the middle adopters, as said monarchy conquer bigger territories.

And if they are unwilling, they're killed, what are they going to do? I have an army. In your scenario, they're unwilling to join any PMC, or cause, after all.

Maybe you swedes are pro-Russia because you want those green russian sevastopol covert forces to leave Crimea and to Stockholm/Malmo so they fuck you in the ass to protect the Somali minority.

What you really don't understand is where the profit motive will take you. See:

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And how does that mean that the AnCap system doesn't understand self-interest?

I literally do not see that as a factor in ancap. If anything, it's based on, again, assuming too high a level of self-interest.

You went full retard by point number 3.

Because the system won't survive BECAUSE of self-interest.
Self-interest will kill ancap and will turn it into a corpse, exactly like it did with communism.
I explained this.

THEY DON'T HAVE A GOVERNMENT YOU DUTCH MOTHER FUCKER. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE AN ANARCHIST SOCIETY AND THAT'S WHY THERE COUNTRY IS THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE FUCKING WORLD.

The way I see it, the vast discrepancy innate to human abilities would be the downfall. The problem isn't the system, it's just how humans are so varied.

Why did this meme surge in popularity all of the sudden? Ancap is all ready a dead ideology/movement.

>You went full retard by point number 3.

says the person who doesn't think that the market forces will even attempt to repair the tragedy of the commons in all of its forms

Your arguments are so shit I can't even follow them. Is this what an ancap looks like in real life?

Market forces like assigning all people a combat value?

If there was anything approaching substance or sanity to your post, I would respond to it.

There just isn't.

Nothing I have said even touches on tragedy of the commons.

>He thinks that I've made an argument.
EleGiggle. A peaceable discussion with a Norwegian isn't an argument.

Anarcho-capitalism is a consistent application of the non-aggression principle.
Also, not an argument.

>Market forces like assigning all people a combat value?

No, market forces like the demand for a stable society with internalized externalities. Assigning people a combat value will still occur under anarcho-capitalism, just on a private basis. It may be that nobody else is going to show up and kill you, but you will still evaluate their capacity to do so and your capacity to defend against this. Beyond principles, we need a material framework that promotes stability. The only way to have both a stable framework and internalized externalities (neither of which exist under anarcho-capitalism) is to balance the millitary prowess of a central authority with the millitary capacity of the general public.


>Nothing I have said even touches on tragedy of the commons.

Yeah, but your philosophy doesn't touch on it either. There is literally no method in ancapism to fix the market failures inherent to it. Goods with positive externality will be underproduced and goods with negative externality will be overproduced, because people are selfish, tort law is slow and the incentive for demanding reparation is far too distributed.

>NAP

Oh boy not this bullshit again

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I've never even mentioned any problems with AnCap. You're just reading into things. And, by an odd quirk of human nature, reading what you want to read.

All I have said is that I do not think calling it a childish philosophy which fails to understand human greed is an accurate assessment of AnCap.

And also told you that you're a retard. But that's not really something which needs much illustration by others. You've got a varied palate you work with. You watch a lot of anime, don't you?

>I've never even mentioned any problems with AnCap.

But I have. And the problems with it are based in greed. If you had ever taken an economics course you would understand that the markets fail to provide the proper incentives for most efficient allocation of resources in some situations.
Let me give you an example.
There is no reason for a greedy person to fund production of another person's house, right? They should be able to fund it themselves. But now, let's imagine situations where you cannot defend your own house without defending some other house to some degree- like building a giant meteor catcher, preventing global warming and or even killing thieves who stalk the neighborhood regularly. In these cases, you may indirectly aid another person: catching that asteroid or deflecting it from earth will benefit more people than just you, killing thieves in your neighborhood will make it safer for other landowners, preventing global warming (if it is real) will benefit others, not just you.
At first, this seems like a good thing- selfish actions are helping others just out of their practical nature. But then you realize that because the activities are produced at the wrong rate- those other people aren't paying you to kill thieves in your neighborhood, but they are still reaping the rewards. When there is only one outside party, it may be easy to negotiate with them. But when you live in a city with a hundred thousand other people, the responsibility for killing/deporting/reforming the thieves falls on the shoulders of all instead of on one person. Because of this, many people will be able to take a free ride on the labor of others.

The same flaw that communal farms have occurs under ancapism, just within a smaller section of human affairs. It is completely related to the selfishness of human beings.

>You watch a lot of anime, don't you?

No, actually. I only watched one anime, and that was a few years ago. I listen to economics lectures all day.

>preventing global warming (if it is real)

Fuck sakes Alex Jones

How is it not an argument?
How about this argument:
crime exist, not everybody gives a shit about rules or application.

I think the ancap argument against this is "deport NAP breakers with few exceptions" but this ends up deporting a ton of low-IQ people, so the ancap nation becomes inefficient as there is an impractical imbalance of intelligence and labor.

Then you'd also end up deporting a lot of the high IQ people. or power hungry people.
And if all NAP breakers are deported, what is stopping them from forming a non-anarchy state and come back and take over yours?
It's insane.

>Then you'd also end up deporting a lot of the high IQ people. or power hungry people.

I don't think so. Those people would probably have already carved out a decent place in society for themselves, so they wouldn't have to resort to violence. Sure, there would be some, but deportations would be disproportionately from the lower classes and from low IQ population.

>And if all NAP breakers are deported, what is stopping them from forming a non-anarchy state and come back and take over yours?

Lack of coordination. A nation that respects NAP will do slightly better than one filled with people who don't.

>It's insane.

It is.

It's not an argument because you are merely stating things, not explaining why your statements are true.
>crime exist, not everybody gives a shit about rules or application.
Not an argument.

fresh out of the autism factory

Oh boy, not these non-arguments again.

An ancap world would make a cool video game setting.

>I don't think so. Those people would probably have already carved out a decent place in society for themselves, so they wouldn't have to resort to violence. Sure, there would be some, but deportations would be disproportionately from the lower classes and from low IQ population.

But they want more. You see it today, companies buying out companies, expanding. Imagine being a monopoly, shutting down everyone you don't like. That's the civilization.

>Lack of coordination. A nation that respects NAP will do slightly better than one filled with people who don't.

I doubt that. I don't think a nation filled with anarchists would be more coordinated than a nation and army backed by a king. If this wasn't true, we'd have anarchist societies through Europe in history, but we don't.

In philosophy and logic, an argument is a series of statements typically used to persuade someone of something or to present reasons for accepting a conclusion

This is the first thing that shows up on google when you google argument, and I did exactly that. it is an argument.

I should also add that there should be one or several premises and a conclusion.

Nice meme friend

>I doubt that. I don't think a nation filled with anarchists would be more coordinated than a nation and army backed by a king. If this wasn't true, we'd have anarchist societies through Europe in history, but we don't.

Good point, I should have said "One filled with aggressive individuals" We need some aggression/coercion for efficiency purposes, but we don't need an entire nation of people who think that they can be king.

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>isis is like nazis :^)
and i thought that "we wuz kangz" memes are the peak of ignorancy

If ISIS was the 4th Reich , then Jamal over here
would have already surrendered.

The specific argument I used in Is called a deductive argument. I don't even know why I bother, you're just shouting memes anyway

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>crime exist, not everybody gives a shit about rules or application.

>Is called a deductive argument

Right, so, what are the premises and what is its conclusion?

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because that happened?

my fucking god, this one is genius. by far the best one i have seen.

It's basically just a collection of racially homogeneous feudal towns and city-states

I get that you are having a meme war, but both of you are making good points...

I did but you should learn to crop better

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i didnt ask for this

bioshock

>le facism = murder factory meme
Found the brainwashed goy

do you really think someone would do that? Just go on Sup Forums and try to bluepill people?

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The main reason that Hitler wanted a conversion to socialism was due to the unfair wages and exploitation of workers brought on by capitalism. I don't remember any part of history where the germans were "enslaved" and "forced to work for next to nothing" under the third reich.

I have no opposition to this.

You can make it if you want. Anarcho-capitalism doesn't exist either it's just called Feudalism.