True Detective

What made season 2 so terrible? Lack of the occult/supernatural elements? Cryptic dialogue? Vince Vaughn? The setting? The weird timeline?

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Caspere knew why

I think they put too much stuff into the last few episodes when they could of spread it out more. I wanted them to go further into the sex stuff too. Thought the cast and setting was great though and loved the ending.

>hating S2

FAT PUSSY

Pizza wrote season 2 in like a month, while he spent a lot more time writing, fine-tuning and plagiarizing stuff for the first season. Also gave Fukunegan the boot because he felt he'd stolen his thunder on s1

Is there anyone who isn't trolling when they say they prefer season 2 to season 1? Would love to hear your reasoning

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Pizza didn't know what to do and he had producers yelling at him to make S1 but bigger.
So that's what he did.

He got MORE movie actors.
He made them SADDER
And at first he didn't want to do occult shit, but it looks like it was forced on him anyways because the show just teased occult then said "Nah, it's just some kid doing it for personal reasons. Those creepy masks were just coincidences"

>What made season 2 so terrible?
you being a redditor

It wasn't. It was good shit. Can't wait for Galveston.

better writing

Convoluted and tryhard. And at the end of the day the story they were trying to tell simply wasn't that interesting. Whereas the first season had you hooked

Plot too convoluted and unfocused, characters are all annoying angstbabbies, raunchy and ugly setting as opposed to the picturesque settings of season 1, no coherency... take your pick.

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>Lack of the occult/supernatural elements?
Yes

>season 2
>terrible
It's literally some of the best television ever made.
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At least it gave us Vinceposting and based Gaycop

its only "bad" when compared to season one, but you cant do that because season one was truly something special. it was far from bad and it was and is better than half the shit on television despite not being as good as season one.

good storylines and character arc set ups that in the end didnt connect and all fell short of living up to the promise the set up had.

each story line and character was very interesting, but in the end none of their conclusions were that good, except for ray, and arguably vince

>ani has dark past in secret cult thing
>lol she was just molested by woodsman santa, that's it

>paul is super fucked up, has issues connecting with mom and sexy gf, dark ex military past; what the fuck went wrong, and how will it affect the show?
>lol he's gay and one of his ex military buddies is his buttbuddy. also his squad works for the bad guys

>big land exchange deals tied up with sex parties and local governments and a guy involved in vince vaugn's casino. how could this all be connected, how will it affect the show?
>they have a big meeting in the end because duh theyre all connected. then ray and vince vaughn kill them all with machine guns and take the money, the end

baka desu senpai

Yeah, what the fuck was that?
Was it ever explained?

also

>birdman kills and torturest caspere, the guy at the center of the land deals and government corruption, for some unknown reason. vigilante? part of a cult? something cool?
>nah, his family diamond store got robbed when he was a kid by caspere and the mayor so he wants revenge. also he's a fucking sperg and dies like a bitch after doing nothing

It's was the convoluted uninterested plot. Land holdings? Club ownership? Pawn shops? Who cares.
Uninteresting overly angsty "disturbed" characters. Shit writing, shit dialogue.
Hell, they didn't even open the series with a crime. Even SVU opens with a crime.

Obvious pandering to us

Why did he even do the Weekend at Bernies shit too?

It was just bait and switch

"You know Ray, my old man wasn't a big fan of the bible. I asked him why one morning after church, and he said that if you're going to go through all the trouble of killing a Jew in your story, you don't bring him back in the second act."

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what did I think of the intro?
youtube.com/watch?v=GJJfe1k9CeE

It was poor execution you fucking retard. Movies aren't good or bad because DUH SUBJEKT MATTUR.

Fucking idiot. Holy shit you're fucking stupid.

getting molested by a hippie in a hippie commune your dad had set up is definitely fucked up and perfectly explains her character and particularly her relationship with her dad
nothing more is needed

paul's father was an asshole that left his family when he was very young and thats why he feels the pressure to be a "real man" or more precisely be a real american man(the shot of him sitting underneath an american sniper poster is litterally the best in the entire season), but he's gay(bad childhood memories probably caused this too) and that's where his struggles come from


>kill them all
what show were you watching my little rebbitor
the "bad guys" win at the end ray and frank die
and the whole point of it was that the whole system is rotten to the core, so it doesnt matter who in particualr is in charge, when one guy gets killed, somebody else will be there to pick up after him

You know... its okay for things not to be progressively better forever right? Like, if Season 2 was a great season but not quite as good people can still say they enjoy True Detective?

I mean how can you possibly beat McCon, a NAKED Daddario AND Woody Harrelson in a TV series, that cast is better than most movies.

Everything about Season 2 was somewhat worse than Season 1 but that is what happens when your cast is worse. Oh well.

I still think both are rad af.

Isn't it just copying some art installation? A video projected on milk

The dialogue was so bad that it made everything seem completely unimportant

>Lack of the occult/supernatural elements?

This is a good thing though.

It's not about the cast, it's about the setting. I don't even like McCon and Harrelson but season 1 is my favorite show of all time.

I was disappointed the rumors about S2 weren't true.

Underground slave trade, railroads marking ley lines, etc.

Pizzolatto changed it halfway through writing. Decided to ripoff an Ellroy novel instead

What made it shit was the pretending that there was occult shit

you are an idiot. the entire point of my post is that the show's plot is technically sound, ie all the arcs and characters and storylines make sense, it's just that none of them are satisfying or especially interesting.

>rebbitor etc
obviously i was talking about the people that they killed in the building, ie the russian and whoever he was dealing with. as to your point about the theme, no shit the theme is that the system is rotten, they hit you over the head with it throughout the season. probably the best thing the show did was show that theme throughout the season, but the problem is all the components that got the audience to that conclusion were boring in their own conclusions

>that cast is better than most movies
S1 felt like a great, extended movie.

Also seemed like Harrelson and Mc just wanted to make a cool movie/show and helped alot in writing and directing.

>Lack of the occult/supernatural elements
That's what made the first season special. That combined with the location plus Rust made one of the most memorable few episodes of television.

The second season isn't bad at all. Its just sort of, "who cares?" Caspere's death was only of consequence of Vince Vaughn. There's no urgency or immanent threat.

Season two had a better story, better characters. I wish it hadn't been rushed and hyper-condensed.

The direction.

Look at how the housing project raid in season 1 is handled compared to the meth lab raid in season 2.

1 is like good cinema. 2 is shot and designed like fucking CSI.

Funkynigga elevated season 1 from good-enough to really-good.

A proper director on season 2 could have lifted it from bad to passable.

fuck

this

a bad shows a bad show

can you give some examples?

Pretty much whenever Vince opens his mouth

Two protagonists worked a lot better than four. Gaycop could of been completely written out.

Immediate danger. There's still a fucking killer on the loose

Superior direction

Lovecraft-esque cult doing unspeakable things to children was a lot more memorable and loathable than dirty cops and corrupt bureaucrats. We're also aware of the villains from the first scene in the first episode illustrating the cloud hanging over the protagonists. There are revelations later on but we know immediate facts. In S2 we don't know shit about anything until the midway in the season!

The setting had never been done before. S2 we're back in LA.

Occult tone worked with Rust's character and gave the show a unique feel. This is the critical difference in what made the first season great that the second utterly lacked.

Both seasons gave rise to fantastic speculation only to fall down to Earth with completely logical explanations. There wasn't actually supernatural going on but it worked wonders for the mystique of the show. There's layers of secret collusion and conspiracies in S2 but it's even less nothing than the first.


Childress was a fucking horrifying villain. He wasn't some fucking redneck. He seemed like humble country boy in public but in his house he's talking to his father's corpse. When he talks he shifts his voice with his dialect from a country boy to a revolutionary era american to a lovecraft villain. His dilapidated house is filled with books so he's not exactly some bumfuck redneck with beer cans and spam tins coating his apartment.

Compare that shit to S2.

Ray, sometimes your worst season, is your best season.