Why was she on the team...

Why was she on the team? Waller's explanation and reason for putting the team together was to fight super-powered enemies like Superman, so what does she, or any member of the team that's not enchantress or Diablo actually offer in terms of stopping any kryptonian or even someone like wonder woman or the flash?

Usually you pick prisoners because you're doing something illegal, but protecting the world from dangerous threats doesn't seem illegal at all, it seems like something the US military should be doing, in fact, the military was doing it in the movie anyway.

I get that Waller wanted to coerce prisoners into doing stuff they didn't want to do, but did she have a reason not to ask Barry Allen if he wanted to help the US government? Like, she already had his file and knew that he was apparently active in fighting crime, so if your putting together a team to help protect the united States, you don't ask the super powered crime fighter, you ask a human criminal against their will to help? We also know from the jl trailer that he probably wouldn't said yes on the spot. In fact, I don't actually see a difference between the philosophies behind starting task force x or the jl in this universe, both of them are about protecting the world from dangerous threats.

There's nothing wrong with introducing these characters in a film or introducing them in the universe, but it's almost like ayer forgot the entire point of task force x was them doing street level illegal shit. Even during the mission, the only person who does illegal stuff is Waller. Can someone explain to me why task force x wasn't a team that was supposed to assassinate a governor or rob a bank, or something suited to their talents instead of defending earth from a power set way outta their league?

>Why was she on the team?

Because she's a popular recognizable character that gets butts on top theater's seats.

I know that, but from the movies logic you could've/should've at least scaled back either the mission of the purpose of task force x. Make it about robbing lexcorp or breaking lex out of Gotham so Waller can have him or something more inventive than save the world from bad guys.

In-universe: She's cuh-raaaaazy and unpredictable

Real reason: Seriously, you take Harley and Joker out of the movie, nothing changes other than who slashes Enchantress at the end

The same reason Iron Man was on Guardians of the Galaxy for a while-

to take up space and distract from the original comics' characters to get more money

>know that, but from the movies logic you could've/should've at least scaled back either the mission of the purpose of task force x.

I don't disagree with that, but I'm not a Warner exec.

She's insane and incredibly dangerous. Which is why she is placed alone in a cell that's in the middle of a large room and completely surrounded by an elite fully armed military unit.

Because she's getting her own movie, and DC wanted to make sure the version of live-action Harley they put together with Margot Robbie is bankable.

Bad luck, SSfags, your movie was a glorified screentest for Harley Quinn, enjoy never seeing Deadshot or Boomerang ever again

Let me reword it, does Ayer understand the point of task force x? It was never about being a criminal jl, it was about cajoling criminals to do illegal missions for the US gov. This works, because if they fail fuckup, there where expendable criminals anyway, and nobody would blink at criminals dying while doing illegal shit. Besides Harley smashing the window and stealing that purse, nothing about what they where doing was morally wrong.

>In-universe: She's cuh-raaaaazy and unpredictable

She has an almost supernatural ability to distract and annoy? That could come in useful.

Because the world needs a Harlequin. Not that I always thought so, mind you. As you know, I was in charge of Project Task Force X. Over the years I came to respect Harley, even fear her. And for all that whimsical exterior, I've never met anyone who was as dangerous and bloodthirsty as Harleen Quinzel.

>She's insane and incredibly dangerous.

To humans, what would she or any of the other members of the squad do against zod, faora, superman, doomsday, or WW?

Waller's excuse for not using soldiers is that she wanted to use meta's instead, so why not ask flash? I feel like this question is a lot more justified than

>Hur why didn't a hero showup here

Because she already had his file and knew he wanted to stop crime.

Why not ask Batman? She knew Bruce Wayne was Batman and even got him to do her work IN THE MOVIE!

The reason she doesn't ask superheros or try to force them on task force x is because they are doing something that would go against says heroes moral code, but there's nothing in the film that would give Batman, the flash, WW, superman, or cyborg would think twice about.

What's fun about task force x is your giving the audience and readers permission to enjoy villains doing evil things, but instead we got them saving the world like any other superhero team.

Extremely deadly in close quarters.
Accurate shooter.
Beggars can't be choosers.

I'm pretty sure if she coulda, she would've shoved bombs in Flashman and Aquaman's necks too and use them to do shit for her. But she had to start somewhere. This was the very first iteration of Task Force X dealing with sudden, unexpected circumstances.

>She's insane and incredibly dangerous.
How, exactly? I know in the past she's been shown to have a healing factor and an immunity to toxins thanks to Ivy having shot her up with ... something. And in some of the books she's superhumanly dexterous/bouncy (other times she's just supposed to be on par with an "Olympic Gymnast" which puts her in the same zip code as most of the Bat Family but does any of that make it into the movie?

Or is she just supposed to be an exceedingly cute Hannibal Lector?

>Why was she on the team?

Because everyone either has a fear of clowns or a fetish for them. She can take advantage of both.

It's simple. Superheroes are too good for their own good. Task Force X is made up of individuals who have no limits. They will cross that line without a second thought, unlike superheroes who have a rule about never killing.

in the movie she inexplicably seemed to be better at fighting than all the other squad members bar deadshot.

Also remember all the speculation before Age of Ultron that Black Widow would get deliver the killing blow or have a super duper GURL POWER moment? It's honestly hilarious how this shit turned out.

>I've never met anyone who was as dangerous and bloodthirsty as Harleen Quinzel.
Well how about we introduce you to, I don't know, the Joker

Harley can be controlled, sort of. The Joker? Not so much.

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>unlike superheroes who have a rule about never killing.

Literally the only person who crosses that line in the mission is Waller though. Besides Harley stealing and breaking the glass of a window, none of the members of suicide squad do anything the bat family wouldn't do.

It's just silly that you put together a team of criminals to cross lines and do illegal shit, only for them to work with the military.

Pic related is closer to what the squad should be doing than what was in SS.

The movie needed a line about Waller wanting "bait", or "someone expendable" for Boomerang.

They should have said the toxic gunk she fell into made Harley a meta-human.

Sorry, here's the pic.

>That could come in useful.
It could if anything like that happened in the movie itself

> The Pounder

Best Waller.

Wasn't the whole mission primarily about extracting Waller and secondly nuking the enchantress ?
It seems like the job was doable for more or less human members with special snowflakes like croc and diablo used in case things really went out of control.

Yeah it would have been better if it was something like barging into Intergang and stealing Apocalypse shit for the government to play with and they dun goof'd and created Cyborg for his movie.

I wish she was cast as waller plus 15 pounds.

It's meta. She distracts the fanbase from the movie's other flaws.

Extracting Waller and stopping the enchantress, nothing that any members of the jl wouldn't do, on top of that, the stated purpose of task force x is to protect America(and the world) from super threats, again something that the jl would, and Waller knew about 4 members of the jl, already got Batman to work for her in the film, and knew the Barry Allen liked to stop criminals. Jl is probably structurally going to be a repeat of this film, the more i think about it

Suicide Squad only works as a concept in a setting where superheroes and supervillains are an established part of said setting, witht he world knowing about and having dealt with them for years, with the superheroes having established teams outside of the control of the government, and supervillains of all shapes and sizes (rather than just world-threats) being an everyday menace to the point where there was an entire prison full of them.

The Squad is supposed to be the answer to the independant forces of the superheroes and a world where supervillains are just a fact of life rather than a world-ending threat, a way for the government to have deniable super-powered assets to do vital, but rarely world-threatening, politically tinged missions with no tie to official culpability.

Introducing the SS this early in the DCCU (or whatever the acronym is for the DC cinematic universe these days), when all we have is Batman the urban legend and superman the man of murder and a few world-threatening/city-destroying supervillains, rather than 'the supervillain on the street', was a mistake.

In my opinion.

>DCCU (or whatever the acronym is for the DC cinematic universe these days)

It's DCEU.

Honestly, even in the comics, the old "using expendable criminals on missions with high mortality rates" was a pretty flimsy excuse.

Exactly, Ayer kept saying that the movie was, "bad vs evil", but when bad people are just doing good, then it's just good vs evil.

I understand that you can nitpick any movie to death, but this movie horribly failed to deliver on the what was supposed to be the core of the film.

Imagine Wolf of wallstreet being about Jordan Belfort getting out of prison, and then becoming a financial inspector, and every piece of his criminal life is told in one short flashback, but for the entire movie, he stops hedge fund managers from doing illegal shit. However it's still marketed as the wolf of wallstreet and him being a criminal, you'd feel cheated

Maybe that would help, but idk if it's completely necessary. It's not like movies where bad guys or morally grey people team up to stop something worse haven't been out for decades. The dirty dozen, oceans 11, and inglorious basterds all work perfectly well because all of the members have an logic that works for being on the team and the teams mission works perfectly for their skill set. All of those films also had more members doing morally wrong things than SS.

It's flimsy, but there's nothing wrong with it, if you do it right. Assault on Arkham have the perfect use of the squad and the members on it. A cartoon made for adult fans of comics(not judging, I watched it and enjoyed it) has more intelligence and thought than a 175 million dollar blockbuster

Superman's only weaknesses:
>Boomerangs
>Bullets
>A dude who climbs things
>A man with a skin condition
>A sword
>Fire
>And the one useful member who betrays them inmediately who can actually use one of his weaknesses.

Great plan Waller. You're doing Terrific.

Oh, and a baseball bat. Can't forget that.

Female audience

In this universe their purpose is diminished.

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She's using the available resources she has at the moment. And who's to say these guys couldnt stop an upper tier superhuman like Superman given proper time and planning aka prep time. These guys could probably stop of rogue Green Lantern

90% of Waller's motivations are avoiding direct contact with actual superheroes or being dragged into the light. the former so the heroes don't know what she's capable of if she has to kill them and the latter so it isn't reveal edto the public how far she/the government is willing to go to protect them. She's blackops through and through. Batman is a calculated risk because he operates under a similar shroud of secrecy, has been making plans to confront rogue supers if need be like her, and at the end of the day 'is just a man' and maybe controllable. Her job isn't to stop bad guys. If she hadn't wanted the Enchantress for her own reasons she'd have let her blow up civilians and waited and watched how the capes dealt with it to get more data on their powers. The squad exists to do the reprehensible things that need doing so she can perform her job while giving the government itself plausible deniability. Stealing a piece of Kryptonite from a private collection, blackmailing important figures who might otherwise be a problem if a super went rogue, breaking in and stealing a prototype from STAR labs because once they invented the Kryptonian Jimmy Punch Ray they refused to continue work on it because they considered it morally offensive, etc. The movie may not have demonstrated that well, but if you know enough about Waller and the idea of the Suicide Squad to ask the question I'd think the answers are pretty obvious.

>why was she on the team
Because she's a dangerous supervillain.
NEXT QUESTION

Why was she in Assault on Arkham, why was she in the comic book versions in New 52? Especially seeing as how New 52 version didn't have low level abilities like the original. Why are we pretending Ayer is the first to put her on the Squad?

They weren't going up against fucking god tier entities in those adaptions, at least weren't meant to.

>She's using the available resources she has at the moment.

Why didn't she use Batman? I feel like this isn't as unwarranted as asking why other heroes don't show up in other missions, because we established in the film that she contacted him for work before. She also knows that the flash wants to stop crime and protect people, so she doesn't have a reason to not ask him. Asking why she didn't ask WW, cyborg, or aquaman probably borders on, "why didn't x hero show up in y's story"


>Her job isn't to stop bad guys.

In the movie, the purpose of task force x was to protect America from meta-humans, either from off planet or from other countries. Even character in previous iterations needed secrecy, because she was doing something incredibly morally compromising, but in this case she's not.

>The squad exists to do the reprehensible things that need doing so she can perform her job while giving the government itself plausible deniability.

Exactly, there's nothing about the squads mission that is immoral, there's nothing the squad does during the mission that is immoral, and Waller doesn't ask the squad to do anything immoral(maybe killing Harley, but even then, killing a dangerous criminal like that can be morally justified on its face).

>Why was she in Assault on Arkham
Because in Assault on Arkham the mission involved infiltrating Arkham Asylum. Harley had both worked and been imprisoned there at various times and as a result had useful knowledge about the layout which would allow the team to get in and out.

She basically had the same role that Sean Connery's character had in "The Rock".

She knew the layout of Arkham incredibly well and she had expertise about the joker, who had something hidden that they needed. Even if neither of those things where true, the fact that she's going on an illegal heist, is dangerous and useful in a fight, and is seen as expendable are all solid reasons for her being there

She had super strength in the comics for a while, was a saner version of the joker and is unironically smarter than him.

That helps her how against a kryptonian?

Superman's currently ''dead'' in DC Movieverse my mane

Meant to tag

Hell no. Batman has more money than god and he barely won because Superman was holding back. The Squad wouldn't stand a chance in hell against Supes.

I'm aware, but the purpose of the squad was to stop someone like Superman from going rogue. So Waller picked Harley, deadshot, croc, katana, Diablo, boomerang, and slipknot to stop someone of Superman's power level.

Do any of these characters stand a shot a killing him? What about wonder woman? Flash?

The usual purpose of task force x is to do reprehensible stuff and fill the team with a bunch of expendable people who would normally do reprehensible stuff, so if they get caught Waller has deniability about greenlighting bad shit.

But this squads purpose of protecting America from meta threats isn't reprehensible and you don't need deniability, since it's not illegal or morally wrong.

Harley would do well against Alan Scott.

>But this squads purpose of protecting America from meta threats isn't reprehensible and you don't need deniability, since it's not illegal or morally wrong.

As shown in the movie, it's not just that. It's made with that story, and can be useful for that, but it's also another way for the usa government to use metas to do things that the supers wouldn't do.

Case in point, enchantress stealing nuclear secrets.

>but it's also another way for the usa government to use metas to do things that the supers wouldn't do.

We didn't get that story, this entire premise sounds a lot more interesting.

>Enchantress stealing the nuclear codes

Batman has already done shit like that in this universe when he tore up lexcorp looking for kryptonite.

>We didn't get that story, this entire premise sounds a lot more interesting.

Yeah, it could have been a much better premise for them.

Basically, imagine suicide squad being used as a blend of general black ops and how we used to play in Biafra, and you could have a fun premise, or the CIA running drugs. Don't really know how you'd get around the fact supers exist and/or how the sucide squad would be over powered vs puny humans.

>Batman has already done shit like that in this universe when he tore up lexcorp looking for kryptonite.

Sorry, new to comics, don't know shit about the lore.

>Sorry, new to comics, don't know shit about the lore.
He's talking about what Batman did in literally the last movie

>nothing changes other than who slashes Enchantress at the end

Gee wouldn't have wanted to give the lady with a magical soul stealing sword a proper chance to shine

Agreed that it's a better premise. There have been versions of supers that would steal nuclear secrets from Tehran, but a lot of the time they try to stay out of unilateral decisions. Batfleck seems like he would steal secrets out of Tehran if he was asked

Harley's hair really bothers me. Someone explain to me how it works.

>ITT we try and dismantle the very idea of the suicide squad

Like fuck, I guess you guys hate the comic then?

She fought Batman. She was as close to a Joker as Waller could get on her team. Same with Boomerang-he's on the team because he fought Flash once.

People like Slipknot were on the team as specialists, because Task Force X is a team and they need different niches.

Read the thread, people are saying what's wrong with the film is it deviates drastically from what suicide squad is supposed to be

You dumbass
Waller knew deadshot would fall for her
Having sweet ass on the team keeps the men happy
Waller plays 9d chess

Well El Diablo's fire is magic so it would work on Superman.

The extraction of Waller by TFX was due to TFX being under Waller's control. Nobody outside her direct supervision is aware that Enchantress, her secret weapon, almost wiped out the world. This why she executes her people.

The comic has the additional context of "here's a bunch of villains from the pages of Flash, Superman, Batman, etc."

Less so here because it's the third movie in the universe.

Neither of you read past the first paragraph or read the thread

But in the comics Harley is part of the Squad so how is it a "deviation"?

That doesn't change what I said. Task Force X is used when the government needs to do nasty or illegal shit and don't want the League involved.

Helping Waller cover up the fact that she released an evil witch that tried to destroy the world IS nasty. Remember, they weren't intended to fight Enchantress.

I've done this multiple times throughout the thread, so here I go again

Comic task force x

>Expendable criminals tasked with doing highly illegal blackops for the gov. The gov is forced to use criminals, because the government had plausible deniability if they die.

Movie task force x

>A team put together to protect America from kryptonian-tier threats. Their mission was to stop an ancient evil from destroying the world.

Harley, deadshot, croc, slipknot, katana, and boomerang fit and work well on one of these teams

>Their mission was to stop an ancient evil from destroying the world.
Except that wasn't the mission.

But the preliminary members sans enchantress and Diablo, can't do dick against any kryptonian threat. No one caused enchantress to infect moon, so idk if you can place all the blame on Waller, it's similar to people blaming superman for the kryptonians coming to earth. Extracting Waller and stopping enchantress isn't dirty black ops work, both of those seem in the justice leagues wheelhouse

And extracting Waller. Again, the actual mission of

>Extract Waller
>Stop enchantress and incubus

Is something that doesn't seem unusual for a justice league story. It's also not rare to see a justice league member berate Waller after fucking up, in fact it happened in the movie

Haven't seen the movie yet is that really their reasoning in the movie? That really sounds like a flimsy way of tying SS back to BvS and MOS then.

haven't seen the movie yet, but isn't Harley an olympic level gymnast?

could come in handy

so she can wear short shorts and men can ogle her ass she is the only interesting thing ind a movie.

Waller is using the fear of super man and other unstoppable metas to get clearence for a black ops team of killers which she can make do whatever she wants.

Are you stupid or something?

/thread

Sexism 101

Captain Boomerang - Guy with boomerang
Slipknot - Guy with gun
Rick Flag - Guy with gun
Deadshot - Guy with gun


>endless stream of people saying "Why is Harley Quinn even on the Squad?"

She's an X-Factor. Worse case scenario, she gets everyone killed, and that's fine for Waller. Best Case, her insanity pulls through and somehow makes the mission a success.

I liked it better then the Guardians of the Galaxy, but I'm just one opinion.

I hate GotG with a burning passion but I honestly almost got up and walked out on Suicune Squad

Why did deadshot have a connection with her anyways? It doesn't make any sense

Why did deadshot have the most screen time and lines? I get it, it's will Smith but still

I didn't like leto, i don't remember joker being obsessed with Harley

I know the movie was reshot a few times but it really shows with random scenes, like the haphazardly guy that arrives by car then died escaping

Katana was lazily thrown in as well, she just jumped on the plane

I think i liked this movie very slighty better, both are absolutely shit though

"Killer App"

"Killer App" vs "Dance Off"
One night only

I remember people praising gotg when it came out on here and i gave specific reasons why it was shit like the writing and whatnot

But everyone in that thread just chewed me out

Now people agree with me?

At least it fit the tone of GoTG.

>In-universe: She's cuh-raaaaazy and unpredictable
How is that going to stop "the Next Superman"?

I was so fucking pissed at that scene.

I love the reveal at the end when Harley escapes

A figure in a uniform that says joker on it approaches her and she is suprised that it was revealed to be joker

When he says Martha she won't care.

GotG promised a fun space romp.
It delivered 5 different characters with Angst + an Avengers Ending.

(For me at least) The Trailer promised a fun space romp. What I got was 'we're all bad people, but deep down we're really good' + memes.

You win this round user.

>yfw Harley's Mother's name is Also Martha

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Why did Harley call deadshot a pussy for putting his mask on?

Why didn't he shoot Harley? It was a new contract and it benefited his daughter and Harley lied about helping them with the bomb

Did he just not trust Waller?

Did the army guy just carry around deadshot's letters around?

>In the DCEU, every hero and villain's mother is named Martha

Why did Katana decide to join the villains for a drink when she at that point, only showed contempt and loyalty towards Rick and Waller?

Why did she flinch at the idea of saving Rick's girlfriend?

Why did Harley call her a "pussy" for not helping them, when at no point of the movie did Katana and Harley interact at any point? I mean why would you care if Katana would help you out or not when she was barely an entity towards you?