Why are there more male NEETS compared to women?

Why are there more male NEETS compared to women?

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why were there more men who played video games than women? We blaze the trail, and they follow.

>still look good enough to be paid to look good somewhere

Because women can latch onto men and live the NEET lifestyle with this little thing called marriage.

Women are the world as a welcoming in group. Men are more likely to shrug off society

Women are easier to hire:
>hot
>cheaper
>better at communication

honestly, if I had a company, would hire women (for grunt work, men for complicate stuff)

what the fuck do you think a housewife is?

Men are judged by accomplishments, women are judged by social status. They need to be social in order to be considered successful, mean while we can sit alone in our room all day as long as we find some way of making money it's all good.

Who is this dead eyed soulless husk I see shitposted every 5 minutes?

Are you kidding? The most stereotypical NEET is called a stay at home housewife.

My wife freely admits that she has to do about one hour's worth of work every other day.

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Woman are fully involved with consumer culture and social pressure to be employed.

No you wouldn't. Women love to complain about everything and are generally lazy niggers. Plus they're always starting stupid drama.

Because men are expendable, but the need for expendable men has dropped rapidly.

Same girl?

Women never are neet cause they have a wet hole giving them intrinsic value regardless of what they do. As little merit and as shitty a person a woman may be she will never actually have to work, be educated, or train for anything in her life cause all she has to do is sperm jack a dude or two and shes set for life

Women ARE neets you idiot, they don't work they just leech.

/thread

Prostitution isn't really a viable career option for any man but even a fairly average woman can make good money and 7-10/10s can make anywhere between $500 and $1000per hour as a high class escort.

>you weren't born to be an attractive woman
>you will never make more in an hour than many people make in a week before marrying a rich businessman who wants to 'rescue you from that life' because he fell for the 'my favorite hooker actually loves me' delusion

Yap

How many industries have hundreds of articles that say "hire more white men"?

Women get paid 30% less than men, they're a lot cheaper to hire and can do the same exact job.

Isn't unemployment for women actually lower now? Men have dropping out of the workforce for ages.

I'll admit I'm a NEET. I see no reason to work.

this. Christ women have it easy.

>Women get paid 30% less than men
That's wrong tho.

>wrong
you mean profitable

In fact, they get paid MORE for the same work because women are harder to retain and more likely to job hop or accept being headhunter. This is especially true in STEM.

Women with degrees are twice as likely to find work than men are, again, especially in STEM.

With these two facts in mind, society is provably sexist against men by the very standards modern feminists use. Tell me again how feminism is a movement for equality when they're still asking for more, feels like a movement for supremacy to me.

BTW quark poster, you're not convincing anyone. Some of us actually do experience oppression... and we're all men.

That's grim. And yeah I agree with you about feminists. How the fuck do men keep letting them walk all over us? Seriously it must just be men desperate for sex or something.

I know there was a late 19th century chap called Ernest Bax that pointed out that society is biased against men, not women, and for genuine equality women had to be brought down a peg. And he was a socialist.

Because women are offered easy job after easy job while males have to hand out 30 resumes per call back. Quit my job about 2 months ago because of horrible company wide policy changes. Handed out resumes for 2 weeks before i got single call back. Quality resume. Landed the job on the first call back i got. All the woman at my work are helpless and dumb. Been there 6 weeks and i am already having to show some of the women who have been there over a year how simple shit works.

This is equality. I work 4 times harder and 10 times smarter, yet am valued less because heaven forbid a staff of all white males.

>beter at communication

GIMME GIMME CHICKEN TENDIES

>she

you sound like you've literally never talked to or seen a woman do anything

More single men than single women. NEETs are usually single.

Give them an inch and they take a mile.

It's not that anyone "let them" walk all over men, it's more that women in power positions over employment typically have the very same sociology/humanities degrees that basically teach how to be oppressive and then advise them to "correct" society using the very same oppression they were taught about.

The effort to ensure men have a harder time starting their careers isn't implemented top down, more like from the bottom at the gateway keeping men out. Articles are written to advise against hiring them, HR and administrators have SJW degrees, absolutely none of this is actually written into policy which is against the law. Somehow, they feel justified if they're doing it but not talking about it.

it's socially acceptable for women to leech off a man and not be insulted but not the other way around. meaning a NEET woman can appraoch a successful man and be taken in thus leeching his succes; but a NEET man cannot do the same to a successful woman

All housewives are NEETs

Because it's easy for anything with a pussy to get a bullshit job and some dickhead to support her lifestyle. There are also WAY more female NEETS than males. I can guarantee you right now most if not all of your graduating class from high schools girls have either a bullshit job, a bullshit degree, a kid with a scrub, or any combination of the three.

Men are more capable of being alone and capable of being happy with their own thoughts and hobbies.

When women go NEET they latch on to male providers instead. Count the number of stay at home moms or trophy wives and then compare numbers.

Men have started shrugging off women because the sexual market place is rigged and most of male production throughout history has been to service women. Now that men don't care there's less pressure to provide and protect, just satisfy their own needs, which can be done off parents or the welfare state.

Because when a woman stays at home all day doing jack fucking shit, living off of people who actually have to work for a living, it's called marriage

>men are told they are shit
>told they're not needed
>told their masculinity is toxic
>made to believe bullshit about always being emotionally vulnerable
>despite toiling to build and uphold civilization tells them they're inherently bad but then turn around and beg them to work when shit hits the fan

Is it any wonder, any wonder at all, why a significant portion of men prefer jacking off, vidya and shitposting to integrating into a society that couldn't give less of a fuck about anything beyond exploiting and manipulating them?

Yes, she

>but a NEET man cannot do the same to a successful woman

>Men have started shrugging off women because the sexual market place is rigged and most of male production throughout history has been to service women. Now that men don't care there's less pressure to provide and protect, just satisfy their own needs, which can be done off parents or the welfare state.

Agree with these. I've no qualms about my situation and see no reason to change. Why on earth should I waste time and effort on this society? Just fuck it, the whole thing is rigged. I'll be 30 year old virgin wizard and I don't care.

>machines do men jobs
>women don't like to hire men
>men don't like to hire men when they can hire women
>unless the job involves machines
>in which case one man is employed to fix all the machines

gee I don't know

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>Is it any wonder, any wonder at all, why a significant portion of men prefer jacking off, vidya and shitposting to integrating into a society that couldn't give less of a fuck about anything beyond exploiting and manipulating them?

we're heading for fun times when the shit hits the fan and women get BTFO'd en masse by the next economic crash and migrant invasion. I'll be laughing as they get fucked.

Everyone know that you're not a real man unless you can provide for your girlfriend/wife and her children

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I have a thing for girls with diamond jaws, please post more.

That's not true. Just because they have a thing between their legs and even more-so if they look good, they have a way higher opportunity than men when it comes to employment, even more so when moving out to live away from their folks. I mean, seriously. Have you ever met a good-looking girl who lives alone? They're with a boyfriend.

>Working retail
>First job
>Put in the stockroom hidden away from everyone like I'm some sort of monster
>Told to work harder and keep doing the dirtywork
>Meanwhile the girls are out at front texting on their phones, chatting with friends who come in, and only telling people to swipe their credit cards
>One girl comes back from lunch
>Brings the rest of the girls Starbucks
>Their position looks better on a resume
>They get normal 9-5 hours while I have late nights
>They probably made more money anyways

And don't get me started when women say they're tired and exhausted from working at their comfy offices with air conditioning.

>"My office is cold. I burned my lips on my coffee!"

Sounds like my job. Even worse because the head manager is an afrocentrist feminist who hates whites.

fucking christ, how do you survive? i'd go insane

>Dat lip cancer

>The human male is, on most measures, more vulnerable than the female. Part of the explanation is the biological fragility of the male fetus

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119278/

>Contrary to cultural assumptions that boys are stronger and sturdier, basic biological weaknesses are built into the male of our species. These frailties leave them more vulnerable than girls to life’s hazards, including environmental pollutants such as insecticides, lead and plasticizers

scientificamerican.com/article/are-men-the-weaker-sex/

hellogiggles.com/guess-what-men-are-emotionally-more-fragile-than-women/

The fact is, women are the stronger sex. They are more robust in almost every way, and this weakness of men has been used to make men fight wars and work coal mines by the superior portion of the race.

At least we have our muscles.

I started showing up late often not giving a fuck and they give me "warnings" but because I'm a hard worker, they don't want to get rid of me. Also, she's been "dealt with" by the union before. Supermarket, by the way.

Meanwhile, 90% of the staff love me, even if I dislike most of them for being lazy fucks when it comes to outdoor duties.

That's the shitty part about being a man, they ask you to do tasks, because they know a female would be slower. They'll take advantage of you for being a hard worker.

That's one thing I learned. NEVER be a hard worker unless it's your own business.

>These frailties leave them more vulnerable than girls to life’s hazards, including environmental pollutants such as insecticides, lead and plasticizers

That's because women are never around these things, which are most-common in labor jobs.

>Basic biological weaknesses

You illiterate.

>more female than male NEETs

Are there? Gonna need sauce.

Your info is bullshit

Nah, you didn't notice the gender ratio there.

4% of programmers/engineers (I'm guessing this is software engineering, not real engineering) in this sample are women. 96% are men. Now, this kind of wild gender imbalance doesn't happen by chance. It's the result of a complex combination of social factors. Radical misogynists and gay male separatists consider tech a 'safe space' and act to try to preserve their precious NO GRILS ALLOWED club. VCs have convinced themselves that masculinity is an attribute of the successful hacker - a self-delusion made easier by the fact that software is the big breakout fad of the era, and VCs would really, really like to believe that they themselves are akin to the cool kids. Educational pipelines subtly push men into tech and women out. And the existing gender imbalance means that women in tech often find themselves the focus of ALL the men who have strong opinions about women, whether it is the radical misogynist who wants to remind the new hire that she is a horrible person just like his ex-wife, the social outcast who wants a scientific answer to the questions 'do girls poop?' and 'what does it smell like?', and the ronery heterosexual men who just want dates or to ogle the only pair of boobs in the building. That 'focus' bit is the big deal - if 5% of the devs in your 40-man company are horrible sexists (as distinct from harmless sexists), that's only two of them - but ALL their attention is focused on the one woman in the department.

So, what women stick around in this sort of environment?

One subgroup is the dedicated. The madgirl who will put up with dick pics in her email as long as the company lets her spend a couple of weeks optimizing driver code or whatever. She might not be worth more than a madboy of equivalent skill - but she's definitely worth more than the AVERAGE programmer.

What if women simply don't enjoy software development and choose careers based off of different characteristic, like the image surrounding the career? You know... the answer with fewest assumptions...

Another major subgroup are the ones working for more successful companies. A successful company can afford to say 'five of you were threatening to rape this chick as part of the ritual newbie hazing? Five pink slips, we've got non-retards lined up around the block who want your job.'. The sort of place that's frantically chasing adbux, constantly shuffling the bills, and bounced one of your paychecks the other month? They're likely to feel like they CAN'T fire rapey bastards, because it'll take too long to replace them.

tl;dr: You're comparing the top 8% of bitches to the average nigger.

> accomplishments, women are judged by social status
>Assuming these are entirely different things.

Bullshit. There are plenty of jobless piece of shit women that are just bouncing on one dick or the other to make ends meet financially.

Sorry, how does the millions of scholarships, affirmative action policies, female specific activities push women out?

This is literally a conspiratard post second reading.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Women are paid more.
Women get more job offers.

How is this oppression in the slightest? You completely failed to prove women CHOOSING not to go into STEM as teenagers with absolutely no realistic impressions of the field is on any way oppression or bigotry.

In fact it's bigotry against the male workers in STEM.

>well constructed arguments from red pillers and mgtows

You could retreat into any delusional system in the world, and THIS is the one you choose?

>never be a hard worker unless its your own business
Well, good luck ever getting anywhere from scratch.
You have to do enough to be promoted at least until you can start your own business. But yes, never give your all to an employer it wont be appreciated

Not that complex. Software Engineering is a stressful job where people are constantly blaming eachother for shit; and constantly getting barked at for not meeting release goals.

Then there's just general women don't really make decent software devs. They don't think abstractly and have difficulty tackling most algorithmic problems from new and unexpected angles.

..Then they just overall cave under the stress.

Also
>Senior Software Engineer

Promotions aren't from hard work, but from ass-kissing and showing up enough.

How is this not an example of delusional belief? You actually believe all the initiatives to get women into STEM somehow "pushes them out" or doesn't dissuade men from STEM? When every internship says "men need not apply" how is that not in fact pushing men out?

If you think low numbers automatically indicates oppression itself, it is you who is delusional.

>Men are more capable of being alone and capable of being happy with their own thoughts and hobbies.
Without a job? Don't make me laugh.

This thread proves why there are more NEETs: men don't like to do something about their pathetic situation and instead blame others for it.

Sounds like PR&D chemistry, we like to call it blamestorming.

Ass kissing is hard work

This makes no sense.

Think about the fact that in western countries there are many initiatives to get women into tech ("girls who code", etc.), yet very few women study computer science.

Now go into fairly repressive countries like Iran or Pakistan, and the numbers will be much higher.

Why? Because fundamentally women aren't interested in doing technical jobs, but in some countries they do those jobs because they pay well, and are an opportunity to get emancipated (e.g. get a visa in a western country).

Really makes you think...

K... You're a fag

The economy is now more knowledge and service based. Clean jobs basically. Customer service.

Women are seen as offering a better service and having better social skills so they get a better slice of the pie in this current economy.

They even called it a "mancession" back in 2009.

Because I have no hope.

Everything is literally lost.

I will never own a house or be able to find a job etc.

I just want to stay a NEET shutin inside my room it's my only comfort.

There are just as many, if not more, female NEETs. The simple fact is when a man chooses the hikikomori lifestyle it means total social disconnect whereas a woman need only be marginally attractive or very slutty to subsist entirely off of the labor of others.

>that haircut on an otherwise pretty face
>that tattoo

this. dubs of truth

We have plenty of jobs in construction work, woodwork and janitor jobs here, but no one wants them. We even got asylum seekers to take them because they are more humble than modern young men who need 5000/a month without any experience, and it needs to be something comfy not something too heavy. And society enables this manchild behavior. Arabs don't know there's the option of watching anime, playing videogames and shitposting on the internet, so they want to work.

Housewives/homemakers don't contribute to the NEET statistic as when a women does it its a "full time job", but when I do it I'm a lazy sack of shit that is exploiting my girl....

We have a lot of vacancies here too but our government and educational system shilled university so you could get a "real" job.

Everyone went to university and saturated the job market.

Now plumbers make a fuck ton of money because it's seen as dirty but there's a widespread shortage of them.

Why would women's desire to write software have declined that much over the past half-century?

Ironically, though, you're right. Thing is, the image surrounding the career is 'sausage party with extra sexism.'

The fact that some people oppose misogyny in tech does not, in and of itself, prove that misogyny in tech is not a problem.

Whining that 4% of the workforce makes ~8% more than the average is not a convincing argument that the tech industry is misandrist. It COULD suggest misandry, but it makes much more sense to suppose that the small number of women who stay in tech are simply better at it than the average programmer, just as the 37% who stay in tech for >=6 years are better at it than the average programmer.

rule #1 goyim, never let the cunt control you or you will regret it. Make the rules and stick by them. They will run rampant with your shit and you will hate your life more than what you would being alone.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/20/facebook-obsessed-millennials-rejecting-lucrative-maritime-caree/

So because of a prejudice against men as having low social skills? Where's the outrage?

>stops posting
So you basically know you're wrong?

>Why would women's desire to write software have declined that much over the past half-century
See: Funny how when you tell women they can do anything they want... They actually do. Not even a lot of guys enjoy programming, it's almost strictly just people who did puzzle games and played strategy as a kid.

>Thing is, the image surrounding the career is 'sausage party with extra sexism.'
Which, of course, is completely unjustified considering the number of initiatives exclusively for women. Again, this is representative of the choices teenage girls make who in actuality have no realistic impressions of the STEM industry. They're just bigoted as fuck against the men that work there.

>The fact that some people oppose misogyny in tech does not, in and of itself, prove that misogyny in tech is not a problem.
Nor does it prove the reverse that there is any misogyny in the first place.

>Whining that 4% of the workforce makes ~8% more than the average is not a convincing argument that the tech industry is misandrist. It COULD suggest misandry,
Yet the earnings gap can be acceptably used to prove misogyny?

>but it makes much more sense to suppose that the small number of women who stay in tech are simply better at it than the average programmer, just as the 37% who stay in tech for >=6 years are better at it than the average programmer.
This involves an assumption. Stop this. You have absolutely no way to prove your theory that a misogyny we can't even agree actually exists causes women to become better engineers and programmers.

>So because of a prejudice against men as having low social skills? Where's the outrage?
It would be laughed out of court.

Also, whether we like it or not, it is a feminized economy and its only logical that women fare better than men in it.

It's a tough economy for everyone, and social skills are an increasing must.

There are interviews in London where the make or break is not your credentials, but what beers you like, how many you can drink with the "lads" and what football team you support. I'm not even joking, it is that pathetic.

is this a girl
i want to speedbag her tits

thats 1 hot lass

The combination of high stress and incompetent management isn't a credible explanation for women avoiding STEM - not as long as they still go into waitressing and bartending.

>muh women can't do abstract thinking well
Uh huh.

When, exactly, did I say that initiatives to get women into STEM dissuaded them? I dismiss the current initiatives as insufficient, but I don't think they're currently harmful.

>When every internship says "men need not apply" how is that not in fact pushing men out?

Funny, when I search for internships an offer for a 'Data Scientist, Analytics, Intern/Co-op' at Facebook hits me in the face. Conspicuously missing: 'men need not apply.'. Have you considered the possibility that maybe, if you want to work for no money, you should use Google rather than manually browsing listings for women-in-tech initiatives?

Because women need other people more than men do.

Says the guy whose never lived alone for to long.

I'd say consideration of any characteristics that don't directly impact your effectiveness as a worker is laughable. Of course your company is going to suffer without meritocracy.

>did I say ... dissuaded
No, I was making a point. Not only is there nothing dissuading them, there's everything persuading them.

And how are initiatives strictly based on race or gender not harmful? How can you be so ignorant to such blatant bigotry?

>Conspicuously missing: 'men need not apply
Yes, because that would be illegal. It still doesn't change the fact that many positions in STEM are diversity hired and that as a white man you have the lowest chance of getting the position. It doesn't change the fact that it's proven women get jobs twice as easily as men in STEM and academia.

Tell me, do you think it's fair that someone has a harder time getting a job just for how they're born?

Why are there more male homeless than women? Why is there an agency to provide for Women, Infants, and Children, but not men? Why do men die at disproportionately high rates on the job and due to suicide? Why do men make up a disproportionate number of those jailed and executed and, moreover, those receiving the harshest sentences? Why do men pay a plurality of taxes? Why do men make up practically all combat deaths throughout human history, yet are told by a current presidential nominee that "Women have always been the primary victims of war"?

Men are expendable and generally unlikeable, but because of these traits, we can roll the dice and occasionally get a few people who shake things up enough to redefine what it means to live on this planet. Most die as miserable failures and genetic dead ends, but you can never make an omelet if you don't crack some eggs.

theres actually many more NEET women than men, but msot have a husband to support them

Gender-segregated education tends to correlate with higher levels of women entering the sciences. This makes my integrationist SJW soul somewhat uncomfortable, but it is reasonably well documented.

>So because of a prejudice against men as having low social skills? Where's the outrage?

I've seen feminists whine about it when 'experts' suggest shunting women into social skills jobs.

>So you basically know you're wrong?
ITT: A slow typist.

>Which, of course, is completely unjustified considering the number of initiatives exclusively for women.
Which big companies hire 50% female workers for paid development roles?

>Yet the earnings gap can be acceptably used to prove misogyny?
A 30% difference in a population that's roughly 50:50 male/female is stronger evidence of misogyny than an 8% difference in a population that's 96:4 male/female is of misandry, yes.

>This involves an assumption. Stop this. You have absolutely no way to prove your theory that a misogyny we can't even agree actually exists causes women to become better engineers and programmers.
You're assuming an awful lot about my underlying theory.

My theory is NOT that 'misogyny makes women better programmers' - that is, IMO, stupid.

My theory is that:
1) Misogyny makes the US tech industry unpleasant for a significant fraction of female devs.
2) People are more likely to stay in an unpleasant job if it pays them well.

Ergo, well-paid female programmers are more likely to stay in the industry than poorly-paid ones.

>And how are initiatives strictly based on race or gender not harmful? How can you be so ignorant to such blatant bigotry?

Whether a race/gender-specific initiative is more harmful or helpful depends on the context. White men are not oppressed in the United States. If, however, a bunch of white Zimbabweans show up and tell me they're refugees being oppressed for the colour of their skin, I'd assume they're telling the truth until proven otherwise - because Zimbabwe is majority-black and recently (I haven't checked to be sure) had a racist black guy running the show.

If 50% of the devs were women, then we either don't need so many women's initiatives or do need more men's initiatives to balance them out. But we're not in an evenly balanced environment.

>It still doesn't change the fact that many positions in STEM are diversity hired and that as a white man you have the lowest chance of getting the position.

Last time I saw Facebook's diversity figures, most of their programmers were white men.

>Tell me, do you think it's fair that someone has a harder time getting a job just for how they're born?
Nope. I also have enough awareness to know that *I* am not actually at the bottom of the totem pole.

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>I've seen feminists whine about it when 'experts' suggest shunting women into social skills jobs.
Feminists whining about assuming privileged preferential treatment in social work? Why I never.

>Which big companies hire 50% female workers for paid development roles?
Most of them for junior roles, actually. There are studies which outright prove that women get twice the job offers as men. You can find them yourself, the actual content isn't important but rather the question: is this actually fair?

Besides, when they fail to hire women they hire "minorities" leading to 60% of STEM workers being Asian.. despite no western country having a community representation of 60% Asian.

>A 30% difference in a population that's roughly 50:50 male/female is stronger evidence of misogyny than an 8% difference in a population that's 96:4 male/female is of misandry, yes.
Not quite.

The best argument against the earnings gap is that men and women choose different jobs, whereas the examples I've given are for the same job where this argument clearly doesn't apply.

>You're assuming an awful lot about my underlying theory.
Honestly, you're trying to convince me that women are better programmers, which by itself is trollishly questionable but after personal anecdotal evidence (and ) is simply known wrong.

Most people suck at programming, men included. The few men who don't almost always have the same video game preference: strategy and puzzles.

>1) Misogyny makes the US tech industry unpleasant for a significant fraction of female devs.
Arguable that it even exists after all the initiatives and trigger happy women in STEM eager to claim sexism essentially putting men on eggshells (remember dongle gate?).

>2) People are more likely to stay in an unpleasant job if it pays them well.
Thus this is begging the question.

>Ergo, well-paid female programmers are more likely to stay in the industry than poorly-paid ones.
Which has been logically proven false.