Why Catholic part of Europe is so much more vibrant and rich in culture than the rest?

Why Catholic part of Europe is so much more vibrant and rich in culture than the rest?

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tibetan buddhism?
what part of russia is that?

>this
>posted by Poland
Reminds me of how really poor white people from the mountain areas of the US become white supremacists. Guess losers just need someone else's success to latch on to

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Why do smelly candle bead shakers have such a high opinion of themselves

Ha-ha.

Kalmykia

t. mudsupremacist

>tibetan buddhism

>Reminds me of how really poor white people from the mountain areas of the US become white supremacists. Guess losers just need someone else's success to latch on to
what does that have to do with this thread?

Catholicism is dead.

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FACT: everything in red is rightful Russian land

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Ha-ha.

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*Rightful Mongol land

My ancestor

For a religion based on the idea that an almighty God came down to earth to die by the hands of His creatures, it does not seem too alarming.
Go read Hegel or something.

Agreed
And everything in blue is rightful french land
Everything in green is, for one part, rightful moroccan land, for the other rightful persian land

Everything in purple must perish

>the only good part of g*rmany also happens to be catholic

>Everything in purple must perish
I can agree with this part

turks and communism

You aren't as important as us when it comes to culture, pole, and you know it.
Well, perhaps in metal you defeat us nowadays.

why dont you catholics focus on improving your own countries' economies instead of trying to destroy protestantism?

It's a theory I have that I will share.

Native cultures become intertwined with Catholicism wherever it spreads. Catholicism allows for the experssion of cultural activities, but eliminates or replaces the spiritual components of it with Christian spirituality.

But if Protestantism hits, the native cultural expression is removed from religious practice.
The problem is that it's not just "removed", it's outright left abandoned or destroyed as protestants label it immoral.

In their search for a more "sterile" spirituality, they abandon a lot of aspects of their own culture.

With now less cultural expression, people become disenfranchised of their nation, and naturally look abroad for other cultures to fill the void in their hearts.

That is why in the past you saw a great deal people from protestant countries turn into eastern religions. White Budhism, Hare Krishnas, buffet spirituality. The kids of today go wiccan or neopagan or marxist atheists. None of this becomes anything more than a parody in most cases.

Germany and Swiztzerland are mostly catholic.
And the Netherlads was colonised by catholics.

>Szekely
>rich

>Germany and Switzerland are mostly catholic

This is what cathocucks actually believe.

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You do know that the work ethic and culture of these countries is based on a protestant moral view and worldview, no? Ever heard of the "Kulturkampf"?

>Muh economy MUDAFUCKA

These countries are majority catholic,to say their "work ethic" stems from protestantism is protestant propaganda and has no base on reality, especially considering the more prosperous German states are majority catholic and not protestant.

Alright, this is a pretty dumb question, but I'll try to answer as objectively as possible, and for that I'll assume that by "more culturally vibrant", you mean that European Catholic countries have always been the best in the domains of visual art and literature(which is true, but if you count music and philosophy, then non-Catholic countries like Germany are just as culturally vibrant).
The first factor to take into account is the Protestant Reformation primarily affected Germanic-speaking countries, and Romance countries such as Italy, Spain and Portugal a lot less, France being the exception that confirms the rule. The reason for that is that Martin Luther was German of birth and spoke German. Translating the Bible from Latin was forbidden both by the HRE and the Pope, so people speaking Germanic languages felt excluded by this language barrier. So when Luther brought a new religion to his German "brethren", they accepted him readily. But this language barrier also meant that they were much farther away from the Roman Empire's heritage than Romance countries. So it shouldn't surprise you that, having much readier access to Roman heritage, Italy gave birth to the Renaissance. In other words, Roman heritage meant a predisposition to art at the time, and the intimate relationship between Romance languages and Latin meant that Romance countries were also closer to Catholicism.
Conversely, the Roman Empire barely left any trace, if any, in the domain of music, and they were poor philosophers compared to the Greeks; they were excellent lawmen instead(which is why a Romance country like France became the country of law). I won't say this lack of intimacy between Germany and the fallen Western Empire is the reason why Germany gave birth to so many illustrious musicians and philosophers, but it's still an interesting thing to note.
In the end, I think you'd do well to avoid thinking too hard about it. Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Germany and the UK

--all either descend directly from a superpower or were one at one point. The most developed countries created the best cultures, that's really all there is to it in the end.

>i live in a favela but my culture is somehow superior to yours

>ummmmm you know a whole THREE of those countries are not completely protestant
lmao

Thankfully many culturally Catholic things were saved.

The less the religion the more the richness
That's why Catholics cucks are "full of culture" but poor scumbags or way poorer than they could be (just Latins)

>you Brazil you live in favela

That's was not even the point stupid asshole.

The fact is that you just use muh Economy MUDAFUDAK to claim cultural superiority.

China have good economy but all the culture was destroyed by Mao.

This thread is so full of inaccuracies and outright falsehoods that it's making me nauseous.

The Catholic church in Europe was the biggest stifler of creativity and cultural expression and it only sponsored it insofar that it used creativity and craftmanship as a tool for its clerical propaganda.

Look at all the paintings and artistic works from the middle ages. What do you see? The only motives you'll find are biblical stories and portrayals of powerful people.

That's right. During this dark time only powerful people like mondane and clerical rulers could sponsor art and the work had to reflect that. Any creative mind was a literal slave that was beholden to the church or some tyrant which the constant fear of persecution and despotism when deviating from the expected message.

This changed drastically after the reformation and the rise of the civil society. Finally artists could freely express themselves. The great minds and artists from all over Europe flocked to protestant centers like Amsterdam and Geneva to publish their artistic works while fleeing from inquisition censorship that was still rampant in much of the Catholic countries. This is the reason why we got famous painters like Rembrant that started to depict many more motives than just biblical stories. Sure, these developments coincided and were also triggered by the Italian Renaissance but the Renaissance happened depite the church and certainly not because of it.

Not just not completely protestant, not even majority protestant.
And it's also five with Luxembourg and Liechtenstein also being catholic countries.

We have a soul and virtue.
It also helps to not throw all resources on war.

Based Henry VIII.

Oh yes, protestantism, the creators of puritanism and witch hunting liberated Europe from the dark catholic church

Why is Germany always counted as Protestant?
90% of everything German that is known outside and not related to massive war is Bavarian.
And Bavaria is the Catholic country.

The culturally rich parts of Germany are very surely not the protestant ones.

bavaria is only 52% catholic

Saxonia is also pretty great and it's atheist former proddies.

>it's protestantism when it suits my view
>catholicism when it doesn't
kys

This
100%

The Franks in the north are proddies (like 10%) 3-4% muslims and rest are atheists.

Religion is dying heavily. But I won't abondon it.

Literally nothing wrong with a good bit of witch hunting.

Because of Luther.
Though it's like thinking Israel is a communist country because Mark was Jewish.

Is Czech Republic really catholic?

No they worship the great hawk

orthodoxy is shit

the richest orthodox country in Europe is poorer than the poorest catholic country in Europe

>pulls off something as dumb as witch hunting
>gets kicked by catholic church
>blames all the witch hunting thing on the "muh catholic dark ages!"
>such is the anglo-protestant "ethics"

They are like 90% atheist

Jesus says that this really is not a measure.

>Jesus says that this really is not a measure.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.

point is people need to stop assuming that because a region is coloured in one religion, it means that everyone in that region is of the religion. for example, in that buddhism region, it only makes up 1/3 of the total population.
also that as you can see in pic related, religion has nothing to do with wealth
east germany is poor because of communism, west germany is less poor because of the coal/steel industry and the south is better off because many businesses from east germany and the capital went there. bavaria used to be one of the more poor areas actually

didn't know Lithuania was catholic wtf

>implying Scandinavian culture in its uncorrupted form ( until 1960's before jews and americanism) is not superior to all other culture

Sounds like witchy talk to me.

also to answer the op's question, poor areas usually have a more vibrant and rich culture than richer areas
it's almost as if money is the root of evil

No wonder why every Czech has been in a porn atleast once

shit map
we are pagans

It's the Germanic feudalism that's to blame for the cultural backwater that were the early middle ages.
They valued little things that didn't shine or they couldn't fuck or kill, but the superstitious cunts would leave the church alone, and you wonder why the expression you have today of the early middle ages is centered around the germanic feudal lords and the clerics they didn't bother to fuck over?
You said it yourself: biblical stories and portrayals of powerful people.

And that's even looking at the wrong places.
Folk song and poetry were still being produced, no one was stiffling it, it wasn't just being promoted or recorded by the ones that knew how to write. King Denis of Portugal is the proof this was the case, as he compiled a book of folk songs and poetry.

This changed not drastically but across the middle ages as the germanic dynasties die off and their retarded rule is replaced by local latin rule.

The rennaissance was birthed in latin catholic lands and much of it funded by the catholic church, where we see hellenic and roman motiffs ressurging.

Reformation didn't "cause" cultural expression and no historian in their right mind will attribute an artistic boom to the reformation. Again, you say it, great artists moved into certain lands, not because they would be persecuted, but because of one single thing: the printing presses, which were not even of public access in all protestand lands.

This post just reeks of historical ignorance. Germany and the German states before the unification were overwhelmingly prostestant. All the points you are listening are just results of developments that happened in the middle to the late 20th century. For example the numbers are more balanced now due to the anti-religious actions of the GDR. These territories used to be part of the heartland of staunchly protestant Prussia which openly fought off the Catholic church(Kulturkampf) . The Kingdom of Prussia was the strongest force and the power behind Germany's unification and its image used to dominate German stereotypes until it got dismantled. Later American soldiers mostly stationed in southern Germany and Bavaria brought the new stereotypes with them and popularized them. For most of existence Bavaria was a rural backwater and it isn't even at all overwhelmingly Catholic to begin with.

Mosul, Iraq should be blue.

30 Years war was best day of my life

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imagine if we were pathetic enough to make fun of the Holocaust or Generalplan Ost

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>this is what northern Germans actually believe
You have no strong culture and never had one.
It's just how it is.

You were pathetic enough to start s genocide, though.

I was only 9 years old.
I loved Gustavus Adolphus so much, I knew all the infantry deployments and cannon designs.
I pray to Gustavus Adolphus every night, thanking him for the protestant Europe I’ve been given. “Gustavus Adolphus is love.” I say, “Gustavus Adolphus is life."
My priest hears me and calls me a heretic. I knew he was just jealous of my independence from a pope.
I call him a catholic dog who deserves Magdeburg's Quarter.
He hits me and sends me to sleep.
I'm crying now, and my face hurts.
I lay in bed. It is cold. I feel something warm...
It's Gustavus Adolphus! I am so happy.
He whispers in my ear "This is my lake."
He grabs me with his Swedish hands, and puts me in the line. I'm ready.
I raise my wheelock musket for Gustavus Adophus.
We penetrate the catholic lines.
It hurts so much not to rout, but I do it for Gustavus Adophus and protestantism.
I can feel my shoulder flesh bruising due to the increased fire rate from Gustavus Adolphus' infantry tactics.
I want to please Gustavus Adolphus.
He roars a mighty roar as he strikes down a catholic dog from horseback.
My priest walks in.
Gustavus Adolphus looks him straight in the eye and says,
"GOT MIT UNS!"
Gustavus Adolphus leaves on horseback.
Gustavus Adolphus is love. Gustavus Adolphus is life.

>Again, you say it, great artists moved into certain lands, not because they would be persecuted, but because of one single thing: the printing presses, which were not even of public access in all protestand lands.

Ah, yes. Artists and authors didn't flee to Switzerland and Amsterdam because they couldn't import a piece of technology! Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. They printed and published their works there because they were persecuted. Great minds, the most famous example being Galileo Galilei, published their important works (like the Discorsi), in cities like Leiden, the Netherlands instead of Italy.

PROTESTANT BROTHERS #RESPECT

I'm from Bavarian Swabia, du Depp.

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Solid post desu

No, they couldn't import a piece of technology that was illegal to be in the lands of anyone that wasn't the state.

That's why they didn't go to the UK despite it being protestant, or other protestants countries that still exerted control over all printing presses.

Free printing presses = more published shit
State controled presses = less published shit

It has nothing to do with the reformation, and you won't find a single historian telling the reformation was the cause for any sort of artistic boom.

*to be in the hands

Because we are chosen people from God, obviously

If God chose Croatia, why are croatians so ugly? check mate oh btw there was another pedofile scandal today in catholic church good fucking job

who the fuck did you just call ugly you swedish snowmonkey
I would break your fucking bones in half if I ever saw you in public you pale cuck faggot

>Croatia
>ugly

Obviously not as ugly as Poles, but still a tad bit ugly. You take the prize though, along with Brits.

Germany isn't majority catholic
The east is traditionally protestant

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You should never have turned Protestant, you bastard :(

>tfw protestant work ethic made europe great
this map looks eerily similar to GDP per capita

I'm not worried. Protestantism has destroyed itself at this point.

Prussian dominance over Germany meant protestant dominance, too.

All I know is that our meme war between Catholics and Protestants let the Balkans get conquered by the Ottomans.

But hell Germans letting non Euros walk in is nothing new. It was the Visigoths who invited the Moors to the peninsula so Martin Luther was nothing new.

>That's why Catholics cucks are "full of culture" but poor scumbags
Says a guy from Romania.
It's sounds just the same if I will call Germany a shithole.

French were the first to ally with the turks, though, because their faggot king was extremelly butthurt for being assraped in Italy and then being a captive in Spain. And then Richelieu supported the protestants to fuck Spain when it was already exhausted.

French didn't go meme Protestants though.