Hedonism

How come most of you don't seem to approve it Sup Forums?

If you're only on this earth for such a short time why not indulge in all your pleasures?

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Because we actually want to pass a fairly functioning world down to our sons and daughters. By doing that we need to restrain our urges and not ruining it all in one go.

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Because it's empty and shite after a while.

Get it off your chest - go be stoned for a week - but as you get older, you start to realise that you're far happier when you're actually DOING stuff, if only because it makes the downtime more enjoyable as it feels earned.

Because Sup Forums is full of virgin neckbeards

It's the typical virgin mentality that says "if i can't fuck, no one will fuck"

dat projection

Argentina's surface deep analysis of ethics and morality. This is why you will always be a third world shit hole.

Because if you're only on this planet a short time, do you really want to waste it doing nothing? No one's saying it's wrong to indulge in things, you just don't have to base your entire life around it

But liberating oneself has proven to improve relationships. If anything you may create an even better world for your children if you live life in the moment embracing your inner most desires.

Exactly, it's not my business what other people do with their lives. If you want to be a degeneate, go right ahead, but just expect a bailout any time soon.

Because the only reason you exist is for the glory of God. You are not your own god, no matter how badly you wish you were. Hedonism is degeneracy. Our hearts are sinful and the lusts of the heart lead us astray. Selfish fulfillment of desire is the root of any given ailment of any society. Repent and seek Christ.

What the fuck did God ever do for us? The world is total shit. I see no reason to venerate a deity that put us here to suffer and to thank him for it. That's just sucking up to a bully.

I respect your opinion but do you have any proof of this God? And if you do can you prove he's against hedonism?

Because it doesn't actually increase your happiness.

When their 30 years old, a good relationship is not going to help them reach economic equalibrium. I ACTUALLY love my children My job is to prepare them for the world, not be their friend. If I wanted to have friends, I would have friends.

This is why most women will never make good mothers. Their too self centered to see birth as anything but a self centered ritual where they pop out a human being that loves them unconditionally.

News flash, bitches, if you focus on 'having a good relationship" and not preparing your kids for the real world, they will hate you all the more for it, and for legitimate reasons.

You see that the world is awful, and you are disconnected from the role hedonism plays in the current state of the world. You have been given to the reprobate mind. Seek Christ.

I'm all for it as long as it doesn't affect long term happiness.

But really, look at something like North Korea where the population toil in abject misery and are forced to worship their oppressor. It's fucked. How does the Abrahamic god differ from that setup? He set things in motion - caused them absolutely - then just sits back as horrible things happen and expects praise. It makes no sense. It's a horrible thing to believe in. Saying
>Well you deserve it
fails to factor in all the tremendously horrible things that are just pure shit luck as well, and if there is an omnipotent deity who could reach down and make sure nothing too bad happens, that's fucked.

No. I cannot prove the existence of God. Nor do I wish to. Likewise, you have no proof that God does not exist. The God I am speaking of prohibits hedonism.

North Korea is godless. Their suffering is typical of godless nations. The more godless a nation becomes, the worse the state of the people. You are not immune from the consequences of the sins you commit, or the ones you encourage.

>Likewise, you have no proof that God does not exist.

Exactly. Which is why I choose to live for myself and not for a deity I can prove/disprove its existence.

Can't*

Karma is a comforting belief for those with no power to change horrendous circumstances. I'm sure when everyone is dead, those who behave unjustly will be punished. The fact that it cannot be proven or even strongly evidenced and just so happens to be a compelling reason to behave and not retaliate is mere coincidence.

How's that working out for you? Are you happily married? How old are your children? Do you own a home? Do you enjoy your profession? Does your public-school worldview give you fulfillment?

dude you haven't read all of the abrahamic texts if thats your logic

we fucked up in heaven and we're here to suffer and strive for righteousness in the face of oppression. also known as fucking jihad.

that's the qurans version anyway. don't read the hadith, it's idol worship!

Karma is false doctrine. Britain has fallen into this state by its embracing of false eastern doctrine. You are unhappy because You have embraced and encouraged false doctrine.

I think you're rather wilfully missing my point.

That's little different from original sin, or white guilt: total shit and nothing to do with me. I'm not apologising for something I didn't do, to someone whom I owe nothing.

Hello satan. Here to sway the non-believers further from Christ?

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Hedonism is fun and can teach you that all life is transitory. But then we still gotta tend our fields.

I think you are wilfully missing the point of your entire existence.

Whether or not your society functions well actually has little to do with whether or not you finger your ass when you beat off

I see this again and again with conservatives. They say they want to maintain stability and prosperity, but instead of actually looking at what causes them they jump to asserting their prejudices are the key.

It's pretty shameful desu

>having fun
>doing nothing
pick one

also that girl is a disgusting skank.

If my existence is defined as you suggest, then yes I reject it. I will define it for myself, in service not to a cosmic tyrant but in service to my fellow man.

>but as you get older, you start to realise that you're far happier when you're actually DOING stuff, if only because it makes the downtime more enjoyable as it feels earned.
also known as corporate stockholm syndrome

hedonic treadmill bruh

We have to teach our children to do heroin and manage alcoholism the correct way.

>If you're only on this earth for such a short time why not indulge in all your pleasures?
>Implying all pleasures are physical

Okay, time to grow up now.

If you believe God is not real, and that "a life which disappears once and for all, which does not return, is like a shadow, without weight, dead in advance, and whether it was horrible, beautiful, or sublime, its horror, sublimity, and beauty mean nothing. We need to take no more note of it than a war between two African Kingdoms in the fourteenth century, a war that altered nothing in the destiny of the world, even if a hundred thousand blacks perished in excruciating torment" then go ahead and just service your base instincts and kill yourself when you've had enough. It really doesn't matter.

>It's the typical virgin mentality that says "if i can't fuck, no one will fuck"
Nailed it

because by indulging in all your pleasures you fill somebody else's pockets with money, so you're being dumb and giving your money away to jews, how fucking dumb can you be ?

If you don't believe you are a soul (inherently existent self) and believe instead that the self is an illusion (as is the conclusion in Buddhism and science), then karma can make sense. If there is no self, all consciousness is the same. Suffering happens to the universe, not the self. What you do unto others (all sensient life) you do unto "yourself".

Crime = punishment.

Of course, you are a soul, but at least this interpretation of karma provides a basis for morality fedoras can understand.

I tend to believe that 'souls' exist in a limited fashion. Just another form of energy that will be broken down into a raw form upon death and redistributed at various densities to make new things. Matter, souls, etc etc. So I don't believe that there's a Heaven or Hell; the self is destroyed as a part of spiritual recycling.

I'm in my early twenties, right now I'm focused on my degree, my well-being, and just experiencing life to its max. I'm happy and having fun which is what matters most to me at this moment.

Hopefully when I graduate I can get a good career and buy a home, settle down and have kids....but I'll enter that territory when it comes.

You want a hedonist heaven? Yes, I recommend a country: Brazil
* every second person a ladyboy
* people getting shot daily
* "folk dance" consist of naked women who are twerking (aka samba)
* school system is on a level with special education

BEGONE.

i hate everybody

You dont need to be a hedonist to be happy, brain is neuroplastic, rewire them to pump seratonin 24/7 and thats it. I know a guy that meditates a lot, reached enlightment and hes probably more happy than of the hedonists combined while doing nothing.

hedonism is a temporary state and as a temporary state I have no problem with it, after all, everybody loves whacking off every once in a while
my problem with hedonism is when people attempt to turn the temporary bliss of hedonism into a permanent lifestyle choice, and really only because it lures in the selfish, greedy, degenerate and stupid who are too naive to understand that there is a price for their "freedom"

>That jawline
Is it a trap?

Hammer, nail, head, etc

Good job Argentina, you guys usually do nothing but shitpost.

Also if I could change my mortality into a painting like Dorian Fucking Gray I would. I mean who the fuck wants to get old.

Living in the now is for niggers. Besides there is always a price to pay.

This is a good summary, former alchoholic myself. There must be balance with anything pleasurable. Pretty much the "too much of any good thing is bad for you" meme.

video games and sugar are more harmful than drugs and prostitutes

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>How come most of you don't seem to approve it Sup Forums?
Because its leads to the end of civilization and then there is only pain and suffering for every one.
>If you're only on this earth for such a short time why not indulge in all your pleasures?
Why not leave behind something that lasts longer then you?

why not have your cake and eat it to?

yeah because so many people become homeless, addicts, or overdose from drugs.

still cant hold a candle to diabetes

Because enjoying yourself doesn't get your name in the history books.

Pretty much this

I used to be one of those and as much as I deluded myself that it was just me having strong morals and hating degeneracy but really I just had no friends and social skills to actually enjoy a hedonistic lifestyle with

thanks for admitting to it user

>Oh no, he overdosed on alcohol, whatever shall we do.
>Give charcoal, shove breathing tube down throat, hope he survives

>Oh no he's overdosed on Heroin, whatever shall we do
>One injection of naloxone and the effects are completely reversed

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It's not the drugs, it's the impurity and shitty dealers.

It's fucking insane that Alex Gray painted that shit.

Only low test cucks don't approve of it

the world is the white man's playground, always has been. If you don't take advantage of this you're pissing your life away

>the world is the white man's playground, always has been.
No it hasn't. It was for a while because our ancestors didn't approve of hedonism.
>If you don't take advantage of this you're pissing your life away
If you take advantage of this you're pissing on your ancestors.

>i am a fat neckbeard
Stop projecting, if you didn't had social anxiety you could aproach a dealer or go to a prostitute too

>woooahhhhh im so high duuuuuuudeeee eyes are infinity mannnnn
the painting

Wouldn't you like to know.

Yeah, society going to shit has absolutely nothing to do with hedonism and materialism...

But I am a hedonist, my friend

I care about pleasure and comfort above all else

We all die, I'm not going to die being bitter about things I can't change.

I'm going to die enjoying life's simple pleasures

>How come most of you don't seem to approve it Sup Forums?

Anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge could easily tell you why hedonism is a terrible thing to embrace as a culture.

simple? Step up your game. Enjoy the fine things in life

sage this shitty thread

This is the answer.

HOW DO THE CROSSES KEEP GROWING BUT DON'T ACTUALLY GROW

Here's the short version:

>unrestrained hedonism invariably results in a more enfeebled and aimless inner experience

>self-discipline and the sublimation of base desires into higher forms of expression involving deferred gratification (i.e. effort and reward) invariably lead to an inner experience that is more grounded, firm, secure, and efficacious.

There is no I. There is only we.

>whether or not you finger your ass when you beat off
That's a petty example. Let's a take something more apt;
>I'm a mommy and i needed new dick so i divorced daddy because he wasn't man enough. He worked begged and went to counseling, but i craved for excitement (and cum). We have a 5 year old daughter.

Now, is 'freedom' really the best solution here? Is it really the end-all of all arguments? Doubtful. The fact is that you also have responsibilities, and like any man knows, responsibility is what pays the bills and keeps society happy and running.

>yu jus jealuz

because scenes like that picture are actually miserable and not pleasureable at all

>loud annoying music
>stupid people screaming
>nothing interesting happening
>have to take mind altering drugs to tolerate

not really hedonistic more self delusional and bored

You hole of desires is literally a bottomless pit; you can shovel in all the weird shaped dildo's and drugs and you still won't find meaning in your life.

I hate the term, but it's actually apt here; 'socially constructed'. A tons of what humans do is purely security or chance for reproducing ourselves. That's the genuine impulse.

The fact is that you're rarely supposed to be happy, like after months of hard work (don't confuse this with optimism), and you should let it come to you, not chase it. It's a reward, not the end.

Part of my social anxiety was exactly that i didn't revel in hedonism. Like i couldn't enjoy being a degenerate. It was crude and awkward, didn't like it one bit.

Loud people tho. Fucking hate loud jewish women.

>your example is petty
>my MRA fever-dream is "more apt"
sure, whatever.

Everyone gets bored with the same holes and poles after a few years, the problem is that the "change" is incomplete: people used to just cheat and keep quiet about it, preserving everyone's feelings and keeping the family together.

The problem is that we've accepted that sexual gratification is an important part of a person's overall wellbeing, but we haven't accepted that that requires some variety. The result is unnecessary divorce. Instead of some dallying being seen as healthy and natural as long as you "don't track mud into the house", we see it as a sign that "I don't really looooove him anymooore", which is just retarded. This needs to change.

In the meantime, society should adapt to more fluid family structures. Child care, subsidized education, and a 25-hour work week can all make life easier for divorced parents both in terms of time and money.

>Only live once haha!
Your soul can't be destroyed silly.
Spend your life improving your soul, go to a higher frequency existence when you reincarnate.
Hedonism is a plague on the soul.

I've heard this arguments before. Swininging works, but adding more people to a family will not result in some utopia. It will more likely result in men being put in functional roles at the behalf of women.

We simply can't go back to our tribal nature, our societies aren't built like that. Decline under the current socialist system have proven untenable.

>In the meantime, society should adapt to more fluid family structures. Child care, subsidized education, and a 25-hour work week can all make life easier for divorced parents both in terms of time and money.
And who will pay for that? Responsible parents.

Because of those who have already gone.
Because of those who are yet to come.

>down to our wife's sons
FTFY

The thing is that desires are bottomless holes, and since we have our basic needs met by society and welfare, it leaves a shitton of vitality and energy in the pursuit of triviality. It's literally like filling a void of meaningful existance.

In the meantime, we're fed this high-fructose hyperreality of reality TV and movies, and it has created a situation where only social status is relevant anymore. It won't result in a more peaceful society, just more status chasing and bizarre forms of family.

Meanwhile our semimonogamy has been tried and true for the last 4 millenia. What makes you think your fluid family free sex system is better? Like most ideas (wealth redistribution) it has only resulted in social predation of the weaker members of a society on the stronger ones.

Uh, I appreciate your efforts. It seems like your emotions keep getting the better of your reason, maybe try meditation or even some antidepressants.

>And who will pay for that?
Whomever pays taxes, fampai

What, you're not even engaging in the argument? If you're not ready for arguments, don't spout your unexamined opinions.

It just seems like your train of thought keeps getting derailed by cuckold fantasies. Not worth the effort, sorry

I hope you find a nice girl and live your dream. I really do.

th-thanks...

because if our ancestors did the same we wouldn't be able to enjoy it as such

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read it fgt

Well, for a start you will be on earth for a much shorter time!

This, actually doing things reminds you of all the great things you take for granted, working actually rekindles prior depressions, aka things you no longer enjoy.

Hedonism doesn't solve anything though because everyone is already hedonist. Its just that people seek pleasure in different things. Some in religion, some in making money, some in stamping out "degeneracy".

Hedonism isn't self sustaining. Ultimately it's self destructive, which is part of the appeal

Not everybody cares about the history books. But if nobody keeps check with the state of the world EVERYTHING will turn to shit after a while.

I believe Ayn Rand wrote that the only meaning of life was to pursue one's own happiness

Well no. Hedonism as a system is different from hedonism the insult. Ideological hedonism is the idea that happiness is the ultimate good and pain is the ultimate bad.