Redpill me on the Vietnam War

Redpill me on the Vietnam War.

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Murrika lost.

>Estimates of the total cost of the Soviet Union's support to the North Vietnam government range from $3.6 billion to $8 billion [in then-year U.S. dollars].

soviet union collapsed
america won its objective

USA got into a war that was none of their buisness, with the causus belli of "stoping communism", but as the north vietnamese thought of this as an extension of the french colonialism it was really a war of missunderstanding.

USA destroyed an entire generation by sending them to a hell hole on the other side of the world where they would be killed in the mud. At the same time the dropped an incredabily large amount of napalm and bombs on Vietnam, mostly killing civilians. Then you tried with agent orange, not only killing and disfiguring the civilians, but also your own soldiers.

Then it ended by amerifags getting thrown out and Vietnam have communism to this day.

America lost the war because americans are pussies.

It was just another clash that was based on Soviet influence. And for the record, America never lost a single battle. We beat the North until they signed a treaty for peace and we left. In the treaty it said if there was Northern aggresion, we would supply the South with whatever they needed but we wouldn't go back. Then awhile later, the North broke the accord and we supplied the South like we said we would do and then they lost. We never lost, because we didn't care about it in the sense that we were there for the Vietnamese.

You are retarded.

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i'll say it again since you have no counter-argument and have to resort to name-calling

vietnam war is a proxy war. we collapsed the soviet union. we won.

>What is the fall of Saigon

America was directly fighting in that. That was after we left. We simply funded the South in that.

You did, but you misattribute it to Vietnam war. Pat yourself for Reagan, his image of borderline mad anti-communist and great oil price crush he orchestrated in the 80s. Gorbachev (blamed for the dissolution) was just finishing the already lost game.

frogs couldn't handle it so burgers stepped in while they didn't understand what was going so they figured lets get high on crap dope and get ourselves a nice variety of ugly std's. Ironically back home war protesters were doing the exact same thing.

America was not directly fighting in that*

Sure, I can buy that. But still, saying that USA didn't lose any "battles" is only true because there where no real battles, you got ambushed alot and plutons got wiped out, but there where never any real ww2 style battles. It was jungle warfare, which you lost.

Your objective was to "stop the spread of communism", Vietnam has communism to this day.

The Vietnam war was not the primary reason to why Soviet collapsed, if you are going to keep saying that, I will need a source.

Summary: You failed to achive your goal, you lost a lot of personal, even more wounded, you lost a lot of money, public support was low and an entire generation where scared by this war. Also agent orange.

I would not consider this as a "victory".

It's the main reason why Occidental culture is dying and cucks exist

it aint me

Evil warmongerers & imperialist American fighting against poor innocent north vietnamese civilians who totally didn't attack south vietnamese civilians and anti-communists. No. All the killing was done by the Americans. Soviet puppets dindu nuffin.

Also, warmongers "lost" a war. Really makes you think.

Just another Jewish shilled proxy conflict used to fill the pockets of the globalist banksters and install central banks in the region.

Any other answer is false.

We probably would have won if we weren't subverted by Leftists.
Probably a mistake to use the Draft.
We fucked the Vietnamese up so badly that their genetic heritage is permanently damaged.

It also engendered a domestic terrorist movement (The Weathermen) and emboldened Jewish agitators on College campuses.

The seeds of Black Lives Matters, militant Feminism and anti-white SJW bullshit in Colleges were planted during the Vietnam War.

There always one ass-ravaged burger who insists that they won

Laffo

Vietnam was not the primary reason why the Soviet Union collapsed, but we went in it with the intention of draining them. Similarly to the whole Reagan "Star Wars" ordeal.

Now in terms of battles, we blew them the fuck out the entire war. We never lost any military procedure. We had nearly 60,000 deaths from our side. They had nearly 1,000,000 dead. So we did not even lose 1/10th of the population they did. Yes, it was jungle warfare but that doesn't mean it was less that WW2 battles. I'd rather be in a city shooting at each other than in a jungle filled with sticks with shit on them and little gooks popping out the ground to shoot at me.

We accomplished what we went to do there, which was prevent communism when they signed the accords. We then gave the responsibility to the South. We didn't care about containing communism anymore. There were better ways to get at Russia, and we had no intention of preventing communism in that area since China had become so relevant. Our objective changed. USA out, and accomplished what we wanted to do. The general population of US didnt give two shits about those gooks anymore. Still, we let the South handle it and supported them, they lost the upcoming battle. Nothing to do with us anymore, nor did we care.

We hardly "lost" Vietnam. We essentially were building a sandcastle, keeping a bully back from kicking it, built it, took a picture, left, and the bully knocked it down after we left.

Military industrial complex. You didn't listen.

>It Ain't Me starts playing

>We probably would have won if we weren't subverted by Leftists.
Biggest issue was sending in people that didn't want to fight 1 year at a time. By the time they hardened the fuck up and learned their job, we shipped them out and replaced them with another batch of inexperienced idiots.

>the fall of Saigon
>the game was over, but the other team ran back onto the pitch, kicked a goal, and claimed victory

US won the battles but lost the war.

The war itself was a fucking sham run by democrats back in washington.

The gulf of tonkin incident never actually happened.
The vietnam war started over a false flag so the government could lash out against communism in asia with no benefits whatsoever if they even won the war.

Another pointless conflict created by Allied weakness and the decision not to destroy the Soviet Union after WWII

America should've pushed the Soviets back far enough to fly a bomber in with a nuclear bomb on Stalingrad.

If I had it my way, we could've won it 2 days!

t. Curtis Lemay

Yes, didn't the cancer that is leftist USA got it upswing from the Vietnam war? And was it not at this time the CIA/NWO/Whatever really started to do really scary shit and researching black ops, psychological warfare, counter-culture etc?

Dude have you actually read about the vietnam war?

You lost 60 K, but you also have to count your entire coalition, you where not fighting alone.

From Wikipedia:
Total dead: 479,668–807,311
Total wounded: ≈1,490,000+

On the USA coalition, and on the North Vietnam coalition:
Total dead: 455,476–1,170,476
Total wounded: ≈608,200

>Now in terms of battles, we blew them the fuck out the entire war. We never lost any military procedure.

Yes you did, but since this was an defensive war on the north vietnamese side, they just dug in and made it as hard for you as possible to conduct any warfare. There where no real battles in the vietnam war, this you have to understand. No large offensives, no nothing. Soruce: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

>We accomplished what we went to do there, which was prevent communism when they signed the accords.

You didn't accomplish anything, they still have communism to this day, you left Vietnam because public support was to fucking low and it drained your tressuary.

According to Wikipedia:
"Result:

North Vietnamese victory

Withdrawal of American-led forces from Indochina
Communist governments take power in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia
South Vietnam is annexed by North Vietnam"

From now on you have to provide sources, like I have, otherwise you will be disregarded as an retarded product of the failed american school system.

Yeah, as I said I kind of misinterpreted that, I thought the US had troops on the ground, but they where only funding.

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>The vietnam war started over a false flag so the government could lash out against communism in asia with no benefits whatsoever if they even won the war.
It was a false flag to feed the military industrial complex and fill the pockets of the globalist bankers who funded both sides of the conflict.

The "communism" meme is the stupidest shit ever pumped out of public schools, next to the Holocaust of course.

A War that Americans think they won even if they objective wasn't BTFO by Vietnam and the rest of the world teach that America lose.

you've been quite respectful to the other lads and done a decent job on trying to keep the conversation going.

In larger terms, is right.

The battles were won but the war was lost. We won the battle of the cold war, but we lost the war. Marxism and extreme leftist sentiments have taken over academia and are trying to permeate into the real world.

I think the Vietnam war was a quagmire that fucked primarily the Vietnamese.

The French should have either Queen Vic-strong armed them into submission or given up entirely. Their flaccid effort led to the guerilla-band groupings of rebels and led to the vietnam war. That legitimized the commies but all that is changing now. Vietnamese are pro-american and the russian-speaking gooks are dying out quickly.

Vietnam will be singapore 2.0 in 15 years.

>Today South-east Asia is communist.
>After the Tet offensive a mass evacuation took place.
>60k dead and 300k wounded for literally nothing fucking gained or main objectives completed.
>US was literally defeated by a bunch of famished gooks with AKs.
I know it's hard to admit, but we fucking lost the war and lost it hard.
The only thing we achieved was killing more Gooks than they killed us, and forever destroying their genetic heritage with agent orange.

>TFW You had a better chance of being fragged by a dindu in your own platoon than by the Vietcong

>no large offensives
>tet offensive

We accomplished what we went to do, it didn't last for long. I'm having a hard time trying to understand why Europeans keep saying we lost. We won militarily. We accomplished our goal. Then we stopped caring and didn't care what they did anymore. We wanted to prevent communism, we did. We didnt care if they went back, they did.

This war is basically the only thing other countries "have" on us, and its all subjective as to what is a win and whats a lose.

>We accomplished our goal
>Our supposed goal was to keep communism out of Vietnam
>After we fled with our dicks between our legs following the Tet offensive, North Vietnam forces took over South Vietnam and to this day it's a communist state, along with most of South east asia
You are literally lying to yourself. Fucking delusional.

The US lost its objective, but will never admit that that equals losing the war. I don't see what the big deal is really, it's not like anyone here has any personal stake in it.

Gooks won

Well thats because the objective kept changing.

The Vietnam War was just a battle in the Cold War, which we won outright. Therefore America won.

Fake war. Like every war involving the West since WWII.

America lost. It tried to suppress. Democracy but the popular will off the masses could not be denied and after the deaths of millions of Vietnamese and 50k+ American boys, the US withdrew leaving the south's corrupt illegitimate regime to fall, finally reuniting the nation and giving freedom to all. And everyone happily ever after. /thread

>and its all subjective as to what is a win and whats a lose.

Stop posting, I have provided sources for all my statements in all my posts, you have provided zero sources, you will be disregarded as the ignorent dense americuck you are, I can not have a discussion with a human this dense, I am sorry, I have tried my best with you.

Yes this summarize it good. Although battles is a generous term for jungle warfare. Such as urban warfare is not considered a battle.

But that is open to interpertation, I do not personally consider it a battle when 20 guys go in to the jungle and get ambushed by 20 other guys, that's more of a gun fight or shoot out?

I would argue that you did not lose the war of the cold war, more countries than before have capitalism and are members of NATO. The countries with governments not pro west are decreasing, exponentionally since the Iraq Invasion 2001.

But then again I would also argue that the cold war really never stopped either, only had a truce or pause for 10 years. The west is still to this day taking offensive meassurements to Russia and China, and proxy waring Russia friendly or USA hostile countries.

For example, Arabic spring, Syria, Ukraine, Libya.

Degenerate pic related's old man involved in starting the war (Captain George Stephen Morrison). His boy, Jim, made gorzillions writing songs about it and other degenerate themes.

Opium operations (Golden Triangle) have since moved to Afghanistan and also now Mexico.

Teens still dying in Opium War 3.0 by the hundreds every week. No coverage on TV like during the Viet Nam war. No songs, either.

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>The Vietnam War was just a battle in the Cold War, which we won outright. Therefore America won.

Because you're American, right? It's axiomatic that every war the US fights is won by the US?

>America never lost a single battle
Yet you lost the war, i dont blame your military in general, i blame the public opinion and your politics for that, also something that the intelligent services don't understand at the time and most american people or word in general dont understand is that for the the north i was not about communism it was about patriotism and reuniting the country.

>And for the record, America never lost a single battle
>American education

>there are still people who deny that we lost the Vietnam War

Seriously how fucking delusional do you have to be?

>I can not have a discussion with a human this dense, I am sorry, I have tried my best with you.

Americans on /pol aren't the best at rational, serious discourse. You should know this by now. I don't even respond to them unless it's just for shitposting. The rest of the world seems to be capable of serious thought when it wants, though. Anyway, even if they aren't trolling, but waste energy on the yanks. They're bluepilled to Orwellian levels.

youtube.com/watch?v=30QzJKCUekQ

it was the last great meme war

>but waste energy on the yanks.

Don't waste energy on the yanks

>watch Nam flick
>it ain't me starts playing
Really Holywood?

>prove we lost

You cant, Eurocucks.

I know, I have a hard time with americans in general, but that doesn't mean that I won't try. I am not the kind of guy who generalises like that, every individual deserves a chance at least. Until they prove me wrong.

JUST NUKE THERE SHIT UP

War Aims

>keep North and South Vietnam from uniting under communist/socialist rule

Resutls

>North Vietnam and South Vietnam unite under communist/socialist rule

We lost you fucking retard. I'm embarrassed for you.

communism still exists in south east asia today
yall did a really good job at stopping it then, huh?

>itt: Delusional burgers who can't fucking accept the fact that they haven't one a military conflict since WW2 (excluding desert storm)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

>Result: North Vietnamese victory

School yourself cuck. You have been BTFO the entire thread just go away or kill yourself.

We bombed them so hard they love us now for some reason

Kind of like Japan

Some stupid bullshit we should never have been anywhere near. Complete waste of money and lives.

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Literally no one actually learn about the war.

Here's what happened:
French colony of vietnam get overrun by japs, the frogs surrendered.
after the war frogs just show up and try to pretend nothing happened.
What started as resistance to Japanese occupation was re-directed to the frogs and it became a independence/revolution their leader was reportedly influence by US war of independence washington and all the rest, even wrote to the US prez for assistance.
The US gets involved because communism was the best way to motivate peasants also it meant supplies from USSR and China.
This draws the US into bail out france.
US more or less maintains status quo for a long time and sets up a pretty shitty government in the south (hoping for Korea 2.0).
In the meantime there is significantly growing opposition to the US involvement both at home and abroad.
US tries to get out by having the Vietnamese take over, start training up the viets and phasing out US troops.
After a few years it's pretty much all south viets. Burgers now mad at government for the war and elect democrats in congress. They suspended support for south vietnam.
Saigon falls in a month.

Basically Iraq if Baghdad had fallen to ISIS.

we didnt supply them though. they ran out of shit like bags to make sandbags not to mention spare parts for helicopters and aircraft.

that said, thieu was a fucking retard in march of 1975. he should have been left to die. most of the south vietnamese officers were cowards and corrupt as fuck with a few notable exceptions like le minh dao

Tactically, and on a campaign basis we won, and learned valuable lessons. It helped us evolve an integrated doctrine that has given rise to new forms of tactics and weapons systems.

Strategically, we lost. Public outcry back home and our inability to keep the south armed through a political betrayal resulted in one of the greatest refugee crises since WWII.

Grand strategically, we won. Through our commitment in Vietnam, other nations were bolstered in their efforts to remove, police, marginalize or outright destroy communist elements in their countries.

But the major lesson to take away from all of this is:

>A.) Fuck the french,
>B.) Fuck the democrats.

Chiefly, we went in to keep French interests salient in NATO after their butthurt at the idea that we were too close with other affiliate nations, and demanded an exclusive tripartite alliance between them, ourselves and Britain. After getting booty blasted by a bunch of men in pajamas, they demanded that we assist them, or they would leave NATO integrated command.

They left anyway, but were nominally part of the organization, bascially the equivalent of having their crescent and eating it too.

Secondly, it was the democrats that escalated force in Vietnam, and it was the democrats who defunded the treat to keep the south armed to simply spite the Nixon/Ford administration.

traps were born

The war was a clusterfuck in every single sense of the word, Extremely limited rules of engagement and forcing the Army and Marines to fight with both hands tied behind their backs, had the US invaded the north instead of conducting COIN in the south, the war would have ended quickly. Air Force and Marine aircraft were also limited in the targets they could attack, as to not injure Soviet advisors. The coalition should have invaded the north, and stepped up air attacks.

We lost you delusional fuck. War aims were not achieved. That's called a fucking loss.

Thank you.

The thing is that America withdrew not because they were militarily defeated but because the people of the US demanded it.

That's a very poetic summery of war.

Stay safe user

My dad was in it

He was shot twice, once in the nose and another he never mentioned.

He was sprayed with Agent orange, had alot of cancers, never paid attention to me as a kid. I know he was at Hat Ditch, and something called He died a few weeks ago.

My family thinks I have autism I think because he had me at 46 and the agent orange it's pretty likely.

I'm 21, pretty good chance at getting a scholarship because he was conscripted.

feels good desu

>After the Tet offensive a mass evacuation took place.

That is one of the most retarded things i have ever heard.

Tet was a disastrous loss for the north.

invading the north would have led to war with China which would have meant Korea 2.0 except this time we would not have had the UN with us.

>Not knowing the difference between Campaign, Strategic and Grand Strategy

We won a lot more than you think.

Many other nations in south east asia have a different perspective of the war than we do, chiefly nations like Korea and the Philippines.

>lost
>killed a whole bunch of gooks and fucked them with agent orange
pick one

Things are not black and white my friend, if you asked the president at the time he could not tell you specific war aims other than to halt communism.
He means you were not militarily defeated, your citizens were demoralized and disillusioned by the war which caused you to leave.

Would you say America lost the Iraq war if ISIS had captured Iraq?

Yup, but some were afraid that an invasion of the north would cause the Chinese to invade like Korea. if your not prepared to go all the way don't start a war. Of course the left is and was a fifth column

Operation King Hit

>tfw no wiki article

If you stop and think about it u.s. military acomplished nothing since world war 2.

The only incontestable victory is panama.

>doing this much mental gymnastics because you don't want to admit the most obvious foreign policy failure in US history

We had war aims and they were not achieved. Vietnam itself was a war, regardless of its part in containment and the Cold War in general.

I'm fucking embarrassed at the level of delusion by my fellow Americans in this thread.

>turn tail and run
>won
pick one

>destroyed an entire generation

>58,000 KIA out of a generation of 100 million

k

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

>fight a war
>force enemy into peace treaty
>leave
>2 years later another war starts
>dont fight that war

This somehow means we lost the first war?

I hate revisionist so god damn much. You are the Useful idiots the commies are so proud of.

youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

last good war

>citizens don't want to fight a war anymore that lasted for 10 years and killed 50,000 Americans while war aims were not achieved

It's called a loss.

The Chinese were extremely ill equipped to handle a ground war with the US. They would have not survived bombing campaigns similar to ArcLight, Rolling Thunder, and Linebacker II

There were a lot of failures in it. I'm not disagreeing with you.

What I'm stating is that I'm simply taking the good with the bad, and that there was a lot of interesting developments as a result of it.

Nixon won the war, Democratic congress went back and made sure we lost it.

Was worth fighting if just for all the hippie tears.

>leafs and swedes together

like pottery desu

>Col. Harry G. Summers Jr. begins his book, On Strategy: The Vietnam War in Context, by relaying the following conversation: “‘You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,’ said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. ‘That may be so,’ he replied, ‘but it is also irrelevant.’”

If you can't accomplish your political objectives, you didn't win.

On 8 May 1972, President Nixon made a major concession to North Vietnam by announcing that the US would accept a cease-fire in place as a precondition for its military withdrawal.

>military withdrawal.

looks like an excuse to run away m8.

>Implying that they who fought in the war where not seriously damaged by the experience
>What is PTSD
>What is bad mental health

The paris peace only removed USA from the conflict because your public support was to low. The north and south continued the fighting which you started and your goal to stop communism failed.

Stop taking it so personal that you lost a war jesus christ.

>Tet was a disastrous loss for the north.

In terms of body count, but that's a useless metric. If it mattered, the US would have won in Vietnam within two years. The tet offensive was a victory for the North in that it hit America hard where it counts - in the morale of the US leadership. After tet, the US knew that the invading waves of Vietcong would never end and had not been diminished in the slightest despite years of war. They were as fresh and moyivated as they were on day 1. Meanwhile US troops were exhausted and believed that the offensive was proof positive that the larger war was unwinnable and that all their deaths and victories in battle would ultimately be in vain. The US troops knew it, the generals knew it, the public knew it and the President knew it, and declassified government records make this painfully clear. Tet was the turning point in the war in the American mind. It was because of tet that the US focus was redirected from winning the war to trying to find a way out of it without losing too much face.

If ISIS 100% captured Iraq a few years after we left then yeah we lost the Iraq war. As it stands right now we didn't lose it even if we didn't find WMDs because we removed Saddam and put in a friendlier regime (Even if due to kiddy-gloves Obama they are basically frienemeies considering they support Iran and Assad)

If you withdraw and your ally loses the war and is conquered within 5 years then your withdrawal played a crucial role in their defeat.

It is unseemly for us to try and deny that we lost Vietnam when it's the only war of consequence that we've lost in our entire history.

Lots of rapebabies.

difficult to say, WWII essentially created the entire modern world, and the US has never had to fight a great-power war since because it has controlled the oceans ever since. You could count Invasion of Iraq.

I suppose it depends on how you view it, but strategically the US was not hampered or denied access to the sea lanes. You could argue that at the time of US withdraw the war aims had been achieved.