Why is MGTOW bad again?

Why is MGTOW bad again?

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Women will get jealous.
grab their white knights.
destroy mens rights even more.

MGTOW = Feminism for men

The kidnapper gets it.

at the very least, you won't be satisfied in the long run

This, widespread MGTOW will cause bachelor taxes and fatherhood by association and all manner of totalitarian shit to secure beta bucks for the cunts.

Only western men do it. It makes it easy for Islam to take over the world.

Lol if men want to to avoid women, then let them do it.

I don't think it should be encouraged within western countries though. It helps lack of birthrates which is an excuse for mass NET immigration.

Real men don't use labels.

women will try to humiliate you cause you are not motivated to pay for dinners and stuff cause that's how they sell their hypocritical whore cunts

>freeing yourself from pussy will let you become the next Da Vinci or Newton!

>once you're free from pussy you can just coast on a part-time retail job and it's fine. do you really NEED to achieve anything with your life?

MGTOW try to assert both of these at the same time.

>Mismatched top and bottom
Why do Women do this?

>implying couples are getting married and having kids anyhow

the modern millennial couple is a farce.

If MGTOW was feminism for men, you better support it 100%.

The only way to start undoing feminist victories is to fight fire with fire.

they're stupid

Good goy, leave the white women alone user because they're not worth your time

They are only fit for colored boys, it's best that you step aside and let them have a nice black boyfriend.

I wonder how the Nazi woman felt about her son marrying a nigger...

Yes, and that's another problem that needs to be fixed, of course.

>fighting fire with fire
M8...

MGTOW is at it's heart a blackpill, which aren't helpful. If we want to fix all the problems in the world, we can't just give up.

M:
>why won't you go out with me even if we have the same job, living situation, education and savings?
W:
>cause I won't go out with a loser?

Pretty much this, you don't bring a knife to a gun fight, you don't fight a toxic ideology with logic.

Is this a new towing company?

Voting needs to be fixed.

Have males be 21+ to vote
Have females be 35+ to vote

I'll rather be a MGTOW than a pussy begging nu-male.

Probably almost as bad as being raped by the British.

Nope... Nobody can compete with women at complaining and play a "victim". Create a "safe-space" for man is just childish

In order to tame woman, men must remember what really means to be a man once again.

The Children of Men

Another thing about MGTOW is it has a major flaw in its thinking. It really assumes that women are equal to men.
It blames women for simply choosing not to be as good as men because it asserts they have that capacity and under perform.
It tells men to kick back and be nothing but a burden because we are waiting for women to catch up to us.

Women aren't as good as men, though. They are mental children and inferior to us in almost every way. They will never catch up to us. The truth is we are superior but also have to work harder because we are carrying them as well as ourselves. It's our job to do the work while they are pregnant and can't do much of anything.

Nothing bad. MGTOW just converts potential whiteknights into individuals instead of cuckold betas.

>confusing MGTOW with MRA

Common error. Both whine far too much. The difference is that MGTOW just want to whine as a warning to other men while MRA whine in an attempt to change the system.

Because "not giving a fuck" does not need a title

OK, but what to do about the disparity of sexual experience? That has always been my biggest hang up. You know she has spent the last decade+ underneath other men; why would I want to be the safety net at the end of her "finding herself"?

How will mgtow make things better for the next generation?

It's literally running away from your problems.

I just got cheated on by a stupid cunt, it happens. Not being a bitch over it but it definitely makes me think about MGTOW.

Thing is though, I'm not some weak pussy who is going to crawl into a hole. There were signs that were missed and ignored I'm sure, I'm not gonna act like there is no woman out there I can't redpill and reproduce with.

Women are very stupid and fickle, let's be real. To get one to commit for life and do her duty, you have to train them properly and get them before they are past the point of degenerate recovery. You learn from these experiences and use them to better select the next female you want to pursue. What you DON'T do is say "haha yeah MGTOW brah, I'm just gonna fuck sluts and coast in life", when in reality you're just sitting their wasting your life away on video games and porn, adding no skills or value to your life.

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I believe the general idea is that when the supply of men decreases the demand for men will increase and force women to pay more for it.

ie. Stop being cunts.

Both still childish, defeatist and negligent. They can't approach the real problem.

>be woman
>have kid
>get 18 months paid leave
>divorce husband after cheating on him during your paid leave
>get to keep kids
>take half of husband's shit
>go back to work
>have another kid with another man
>repeat
>company can't fire you because equality
>they can't pay you less even though you're getting paid to raise kids
epic

wow qt

You shouldn't, if MGTOW doesn't suit you, find a malleable 18yo to be mother of your children. Let the cougars wallow in their shit.

Seek out other women. It won't be easy to find your ideal wife, but if you don't look you won't find anything. Absolute worst case scenario you can import a christian girl who's desperate to get into the states

And they wonder why companies prefer men.

There is a double standard here though, and yeah women are retarded creatures for the most part, but what all these MGTOW faggots aren't understanding is that it's not the females fault they don't want to fuck a greasy loser.

If you want a partner, make yourself worthy of it. I'm not saying bend over backwards and play bitch to some feminazi cunt. What I'm saying is, the same way none of us are lining up to fuck the fat girls, they aren't lining up to fuck all of these MGTOW neets.

The coin has two sides, yes women are cunts but I can't hold it against them when they pass on the 27 year old neet who lives at home.

go date people, if you see they're sluts move on. you can usually tell pretty fast if somebody is a slut.

the earlier you try to get a decent chick the better, cause later you will end up probably with the ugly rest.

Jewish propaganda to further lay wedges in sex relations of Western men, with the objective of lowering the birth rate rapidly.

But the white mgtows will be replaced by immigrant men or we will just see a huge number of barren women, big drop in native white pop or more degenerates having kids to 15 different criminal fathers. All of which weaken the nation.

You don't have to date someone like that if you don't want to, and assuming that every single girl is like that is just as extremist of a mentality as 3rd wave feminism's view on men.

It's just so much easier on one's ego to say "I'm making the choice and withdrawing myself!"

Running from your problems isn't gonna solve shit.

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this is too true

FUCKING LMAO AT MGTOW IDIOTS.

I mean sure, you guys have a point, modern women are trash.

But do you think they give a FUCK that you're "giving up on society"?

Let's be real. How many actual 8/10+. 6'2"+, good looking and popular guys call themselves MGTOW? FUCKING ZERO.

You're not "men going their own way", you're men SENT their own way. LMAO.

>It really assumes that women are equal to men.
Does it really?

Nobody over the age of 30 should be able to vote. Nobody in the public sector should be able to vote.

On the other hand Hulk Hogan's wife cheated on him, dude.
"Man up" is the only practical advice for individuals but as a society it is not a solution. Women may actually become worse if we are working even harder for them.

What I think would have to happen is getting people to pair off ASAP. A woman whose only sex partner is her husband will be a more faithful wife even if her husband is beta.

And he may actually become less beta by virtue of having that wife and children to look after. It's almost guaranteed.

>jewish propaganda
Is there anything in the world that Sup Forums will not be considered jewish propaganda?

> You're not "men going their own way", you're men SENT their own way. LMAO.

The eternal anglo gets it

>Men going their own way

>do nothing but complain about women, try to share "dating" advice with each other

>going their own way

Subhumans "boycotting women" is the equivalent of the homeless boycotting Porsche because they are mad they can't afford them. Porsche does not give a fuck as long as wealthy men keep buying their cars. Same goes for women, they will not give a shit about subhumans boycotting them, because they ALREADY HAVE CHAD. Hell, even if they didn't, they'd prefer to die alone than go with your incel ass.

>HURRRR, U JUST AN OLD MAD BITCH XD XD
Lmfao. I wish. I'm a 40 year old fat guy, and guess what? Just like you, NO WOMAN ON EARTH gives a FUCK that I've "gone my own way", lmfao.

this is jewish propaganda

>>be woman
>>have kid
>>get 18 months paid leave
>>divorce husband after cheating on him during your paid leave

This normally consists in beta male/club-going-slut relationships.

She married him because the based men pump and dumped her. So she settled with some boring nu-male, knowing that she was going to divorce him later. Both are pieces of shit.

White knights need to die.

This is spot on.

>It really assumes that women are equal to men.

Not at all. MGTOW proponents point to all the problems with women and conclude it's just not worth it. And they are well aware the problems are not just problems with modern women but fundamental evolutionary traits.

MGTOW simply don't care about status of being with a hot girl, instead they are looking of the benefits of having all the money they earn for themself. Alpha males caused MGTOW in the first place because they started shaving their chests and pubic hair to get some pussy.

Yes, like I said: they claim is that women should be better and choose not to be.
The claim is that women need to change to fix things.

All of the agency is attributed to them.

What men have to do is dominate women again and disenfranchise them. They need to be treated like children.

Even Christianity is jewish propaganda.

> inb4 good goy

This, MGTOW is literally just putting your problems away. Relationships are good, they are fun, you don't have to marry every bitch you date. Any man who has casually dated in their 20s will tell you, it's a minefield full of degenerate trash out there. You will be tricked, fooled, deceived, and probably lose faith in women altogether at least 3-4 times.

Men rely on women too much too. If you are lucky enough to find one that can stimulate you intellectually, consider hanging on to her. 80% of the women you meet in a casual dating environment are single for a reason, they are either sluts, have some fucked up shit in their head, or don't know who the fuck they are yet. It's rough out there but if you just stay persistent and learn how to spot the trash, you'll do okay and have some fun.

Haven't found a woman worthy of reproducing with yet, but I still have a good while before I have to start killing myself over it. All you gotta do is be mentally and physically fit, decent with your money, and not sperg out in social situations.

>I can't hold it against them when they pass on the 27 year old neet who lives at home.
What if hey also live at home?
Why do they always have to chase the almighty shekel until they look like disgusting washout cougars?

Women don't actually have Chad, though. Some of them get to fuck him: only a tiny minority will get to marry and breed with him because he is a tiny minority.

Women are turning into desperate and medicated cat ladies. They aren't winning.

Arranged marriages at childhood? How feasible are those?

I don't think they'll work in this feminist age, but back then both families had a vested interest in keeping the girl from being a slut and typically the husband was a lot younger than the wife.

Where arranged marriages still happen in the West they are more successful than "love marriages."

It's a faggot movement. Just don't put pussy on a pedestal and don't be a beta faggot. If a woman tries to push you, push back or just drop her. Women are getting away with too much shit, don't let them. Call them out on their bullshit and maybe one day then will learn.

Had a bitch stand me up on a "movie and chill" type of date a week ago, she didn't even understand why I got mad at her. This is how retarded women are, who get everything they want from faggots.

That's nature. Women are biologically drawn to safety and security. Your question assumes that women and men are equal, that's your first mistake.

Also fucking LOL at the retards saying shit like "hurrr women will jave to work because we wont marry them!!!1". You really don't get it, do you?

LMFAO. Women WANT to do that shit, if it means they can avoid an incel like you.

I love how delusional you guys are, it's HILARIOUS. First off, even if a woman DOES want a beta provider, she can still get that shit with EASE because there's an INFINITE amount of desperate beta providers out there, so incels like you "boycotting women" doesn't make ANY difference anyway...but even if they COULDN'T, what makes you think they'd care? Last time I checked most women these days WILLINGLY work full time. Because women would literally rather spend their entire adult lives working than have once a month pity sex with a sub-8 man.

No woman on EARTH cares about incels "going their own way". You're doing these girls a FAVOUR, lmfao.


I agree that it's pointless bothering with women as a sub8 male, but you fags are seriously fucking delusional. Women cry about Chad ignoring their calls, not some guy who used to stalk them deciding to "boycott women", as if he has a choice lmfao. Hell, they REJOICE over that shit.

Yeah, all these white knight pushover faggots make these women feel like they are queens. Bending over backwards for them over and over. only to allow them to use you, isn't a fucking relationship.

Nobody is winning, men or women.
Only with a return to traditional values and morality in society will we be able to see a normalisation of relations between the sexes. Things like Hollywood and feminism will perpetuate the discord between us until they are rooted out.

Good luck with that, maybe you had a different experience but i am just tired of all the games and lies women come up with and it's always my fault everytime... Schools see you as a retard if you are even half way manly and not a woman serving drone. Sure i can find a girl even if shes only a 6/10 but what do i get out of it realistically without the hormones in my brain telling me to procreate? Not much.

>even if a woman DOES want a beta provider, she can still get that shit with EASE because there's an INFINITE amount of desperate beta providers out there

Bullshit grandad, all the single moms on tinder etc. say otherwise.

It isn't.

The trad life is over. We are in-between evolutionary stages. That's why there is so much confusion and pain.

The next stage will have something to do with the singularities and perhaps omega point. I don't think we are quite there yet, but we are getting closer. Or, if not that then a total collapse of world wide civilization sending us back hundreds if not thousands of years of accumulated knowledge and evolution.

Females are fun to play with. Just don't put them on pedestals or take them too seriously.

To the point:

>sexual liberation means top 40% of women fight over the top 10% of men
>6/10 women believe they can get a 9/10 male because they had a few drunken one night stands with 9/10s in collage
>average women end up settling for slightly above average men in their 30s
>average and below average men get left behind
>these men convince themselves that women aren't worth it, because they aren't worth anything to women = MGTOW
>the only happy people are the top 10% of guys who have their pick of the women before settling down with a 9/10 woman -- and those 9/10 women who've managed to bag a 9/10 man (who will probably cheat when he gets bored anyway)

This is what happens when marriage and Christian morals collapse. The situation I've described is actually very natural and you could we're moving backwards to a more primitive state -- based on basal sexual instincts.

There's something that I like of her, but I don't really know what... maybe her tongue expression, perhaps her cute-shaped breasts.

I think how it works is they fuck ten guys.

One of the guys had a huge dick, one of the guys had great teeth, one was rich as fuck etc.

So for her to be happy with a guy he's going to have to have the huge dick, the great teeth AND be rich etc.

Women will be happy with betas if they are married off to them at age 18. They can dream of Chad but they won't have any experience of him.

It's not bad. MGTOW is the natural state of the man.

It isn't.

Except the general populace got behind feminism.

Not only will the general populace never get behind something like MGTOW, they will ridicule it.

Right now leftists in the UK are trying to remove an MP from his office because he dared to attend an MRA conference and say that men's issues aren't being looked at enough. And MGTOW is way more radical that anything he said.

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Get fucked wageys

So the Jew WANTS the white boy to reproduce? You got that backwards goyim.

What? I don't work. All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious fact that NO WOMAN ON EARTH GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU.

i love how guys like you ruined /fit/ lel
keep doing the god's work

This is the most sober analysis of MGTOW I've seen. The conflict between men and women stems from a disconnect between men's natural superiority and society's unrealistically high expectations for women.

You are not fooling me wagey

I think a lot of MGTOW are actually happy about that.

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Here's her cunny, if you want to see...

Women are just a time bomb nowadays, if you want to save society by making sons that will grow without you because of a most certain divorce, go ahead, your genes are sooooooo important for the world.

>Go MGTOW
>Now Chad doesn't have to compete
He really loses here?

>fail to contain destructive female nature
>society regresses thousands of years

Yup. You you're not fucking women, Mohammed will.