Any bourgeois nationalists here? The international proletariat is going to kick your asses

Any bourgeois nationalists here? The international proletariat is going to kick your asses

>it is always the canadian/us flag
Fuck
Off
You spoiled
Brat

fpbp

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>Any bourgeois nationalists here?
On Sup Forums? Could be...

It's a fact they will ultimately crumble when push comes to shove, though. Bourgeois nationalism can't bring anywhere near the power to bear as the united workers. The only real risk is that they nuke the earth out of spite like megakulaks.

Communists of today are nothing like the bolsheviks of the past though. Not sure it's a threat tbqh.

You know as well as we do that communism is relatively popular among the people who lived through it. Much more popular than in the US or Canada. Why do you force me to remind you every time? You're just trying to trick people who don't already have the facts.

Someone tell all these American communists that they're spoiled brats! Only rich, spoiled Westerners are attracted to Marxism!

>pol shills a meme hard and then falls for it themselves
every time. You probably have a folder labeled "soy faces" you look at instead of reading books.

What did you say?

get a job

Tell me how communism will work this time

I have a job, that's why I wanna kick bourgeois asses

It's not a meme though it's the truth when you look at most any communist group in pretty much any country. And no it doesn't make you Sup Forums or a nazi to think so.

I'm an internationalistic bourgeois. I'm way more worried about the nationalistic lumpenproletariat.

National bolshevism is literally just a paintjob for nationalism. Exactly like national socialism. And just like last time if they ever take power they'll immediately kill every party member who actually fell for the claims of socialism.

This makes no sense as a response to a communist

>literally just a paintjob for nationalism
That's why it's so great

Communism worked last time until NATO strangled it- the USSR had higher median standard of living at several points, and the bottom quartile was consistently better (remember that the poor parts of capitalism are still capitalism.)

Communism continues to work in China. Is this the part where I have to explain Deng and the NEP to you and explain how Marxism works, or can we skip that part?

I don't think you actually know any communist groups at all. I think you think BLM and antifa are communist parties.

>Communism worked last time until NATO strangled it-
So it didn't work then.
China is not communist

They post shit at my university sometimes. Just to make sure I looked up communist groups in canada and they look very unintimidating or threatening.

its popular because it gave social stability, you worked, you shut up and you lived okay

nostalgy, nobody misses the state police, the compulsory russian classes, the humiliating celebrations, the whole cant speak about certain shit and obvious lies (that are somehow making their way back but thats another issue)

>nobody misses the state police
ok but did they really bother 95+ of the population?
> the compulsory russian classes
how is it different from compulsory English classes?
> the humiliating celebrations
Can't be more humiliating than homosexual pride parades
> the whole cant speak about certain shit and obvious lies
Still goes on in Europe today. See Germany.

>deliberately ruin another country
>haha it didn't work

How is China not communist? Do I really need to do this part again? Please google the New Economic Policy. Deng Xiaoping framed the reforms in these terms as he made them and the line has been consistent since. Communism is a development FROM capitalism. Since Lenin a period of state capitalism has been a part of almost every communist movement because- as marx pointed out originally- you need a strong productive base to make the switch. 80% of chinese "capitalist" ventures are state-controlled. Their NEP has gone on for several decades and at this very moment Xi Jinping's claim to relevance is his plan to dial back the economic reforms.

Again, this is literally orthodox marxism. You can't just declare a communist economy, you need to build one through capitalism. Since- contrary to marx's predictions- communist revolutions keep happening in undeveloped economies, you end up with communist parties- with a mandate to build communism- speedrunning decades of capitalism to develop productive forces. This shit has been done since 1917 amd has been explained theoretically since The German Ideology.

>feminists encourage male circumcision
how was this meme born?

Communism wasn't even achieved in USSR.

Marxism is about switching from a succesful capitalist phase, to a succesful socialist phase and ultimately to a fully communist stateless society.

Both USSR and China at first moved way to fast towards socialism, haven't appropriately developed their means of production in the first place.

That China liberalized the economy under Deng is not against Marxism, it's actually way more consistent with the theory than what Mao did.

And at this very moment you have the Communist Party of China saying "we're about ready to end state capitalism as part of out plan to build communism." They refer to themselves as 'in the primary stage of socialism,' which is roughly the right marxist terminology to explain their political economy.

Why do underaged leafs have such trouble believing the communist party of china are communists? It's because you don't read. Your ideology doesn't require any reading.

"Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence."

Communist movements don't reach communist political economy until they are done. But they are still called communists.

Thank you, you put this a lot better than me.

>But they are still called communists.
They are called communists because they claim what they want to build communism, not because they already have it.

And how will the the stateless society defend itself from societies with states in the future?
Worldwide revolution hasn't happened. Only those isolated in different countries.
And then non-communist states can ruin communist states transitioning to stateless communism again and again.

>compulsory russian classes, censorship, humiliating celebrations and state police are communist measures

>Communism continues to work in China.
>They put fucking nets under the buildings so they can't kill themselves after working 16 hours straight for less than 1€
You are a funny lad. Anyway it's not about capitalism vs communism, It's about total decadence vs total decadence.

nobody wants to learn russian or some obsecure language nobody ever uses

my country had roughly every 5th person writing some report on someone at some point

>Reddit tier belief
Reported for off topic.

if i kick you in the balls but ill tell you later its not who i am, will you believe me?

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When did communism ever advocate for mandatory russian classes?

How else are you going to brain wash people into believing a stupid pyramid scheme?

Why are anticommunist beliefs always based on falling for your own propaganda you yourselves made?

>communism is a pyramid scheme
There isn't a brainlet sad enough for this one. Don't you know words mean things?

>bourgeois nationalists
This is almost never a case considering how leftie academia usually is

>All anticommunists staged pictures of themselves being ugly and pretending to be communist

>leftism is when women marry immigrants

>dumbass right-wingers think posting pics of ugly people is a convincing argument

First of all I'm not a Marxist. When it comes to politics and economics I don't believe in any dogmas. But I think it's an interesting theory and you shouldn't just reject it altogether just because muh communism never worked XD. Remember that we have pensions, worker rights, universal healthcare and educations thanks to early socialists.

But regarding your question - this ultimate stateless phase is more of an utopia than a realistic goal. It's like infinity in mathematics - you only can approach it, but never get right to it. If you actually can achieve it - then the society doesn't need to defend itself, as it comprises whole humanity.

It wasn't suppose to be an argument it was just an insult. Not everything is a debate all the time.

>bourgeois nationalists

It's not fucking 1901 anymore. Bourgeois are globalists and you faggots are helping them with your bullshit commie larping.

FUCKING THIS

It's not true though. Your reddit caps can't change that. Communism is much more popular in places that HAVE experienced it or in very poor areas.

You should know, Peru.

this

It seems like that because the only people online from those countries are rich people.

You moron

>Still doing damage control for the left.
Your entire belief is based on a leeching scheme from an overweight GerCuck who rather leech off someone else than work.
Why would we want to dive deeper into the left spectrum?
People aren't going to magically turn socially conservative and communist if your pipe dream comes true.
Stop thinking America would instantly turn into pro-communist propaganda poster from 1940.

Besides this is completely off topic. Sage reported take it to redditor.

You just made that up. In fact communism is more popular with old people in post-commie countries, and more popular with the poor in poor countries.

Poor people in poor countries believe toilet witches will eat them if they use it.
Poor people will believe anything.

Old people are nostalgic and dying soon though.

What do you think leftism has to do with social conservatism or liberalism? You seriously don't even understand what the thing you're talking about IS.

Looks like those goalposts are blasting off again!

Arguing with reactionaries is like hunting rabbits, you have to confront them quickly because they immediately take off for the next hiding place. They're desperate to argue about anything other than communism.

The GEoM violently purged collectivist extremists while he was alive because he knew they empowered chaos, he also gave people licenses to be AnCaps and created a segregated society.

Hm. Dunno if I like this. People who promote workers solidarity is good. But then if they claim that China is socialist...

I wasn't moving any goalposts I was just saying that those old people mostly aren't devout marxists but rather just nostalgic from their youth.

For precisely 6 years

China is obviously socialist though. They are not currently a communist economy, but they are basically the definition of marxist socialism.

>communism is just for spoiled western rich kids
>actually if anything it's for old poor people, you see-
>WELL THEY'RE JUST OLD ANY ANYWAY THEY'LL DIE SOON

>not moving goalposts

They are an undemocratic oligarchy, run by corrupt elites. Unions are suppressed or banned outright and chinese workers have abhorrent working conditions.

>working class, blue collar whites are mostly right leaning and nationalistic, opposed to neo-marxist bullshit
>spoiled upper middle class uni and college soyboys that swallowed too many blue pills actually think THEY are the proletariat
absolutely mind boggling

Both can be true though.

Most western "communists" are just radical young liberals who think intellectual masturbation is an equivalent for physical class struggle that never read any Marxist theory though. Why read das capital when you can read maoist pamphlets or trotskyist newspapers, etc. Mostly liberals with red flags. And the old people thing is definitely true.

oh shit an unironic communist
how much are your parents paying for your degree?

YOU
WILL NOT
REPLACE US

China isn't an oligarchy, who told you this? The "private" enterprises are even mostly government owned. They're a socialist DotP pretty close to what marx imagined would be used to transition away from capitalism. Yes, they suppress unofficial unions and working conditions are bad. If you could just instantly declare communism the anarchists would be right, but you can't. They're building power, and they're doing it pretty close to the way marx assumed.

You keep imagining some particular spoiled rich western marxist you would prefer to argue against instead of thinking about actual marxist theory.

t. lakeisha the pan racial women's studies major

It's just embarrassing at this point.

so really tell me how communism works and how the U.S is supposed to switch to communism. can it be done without violence. How is the production evenly distributed. how does new means of production get created. how does property rights and stuff come into this? what about luxury goods? when you promote communism do really intend to have central planning? communism just seems like a made up thing that doesn't take a realistic approach to problems but solves it in a idealistic way.

That's true though. I'm not trying to argue marxist theory my whole point was that the communists of today are nothing like the bolsheviks of the old days.

Government ownership means nothing in terms of establishing public ownership if the state is not sufficiently democratic. Is China (or more specifically the CCP) democratic?

Poor working conditions doesn't mean all I suppose. What matters in determining if they've lost focus on the point or not is if working conditions are improving or getting worse. Are they?

I know more of the true proletariat than you ever will burger. All of you so-called socialists are of the bourgeoise, even bloody Marx himself was. It's honestly no surprise that you want to turn entire states into undemocratic corporations.