How can natsoc be considered red-pilled when socialism is so degenerate...

How can natsoc be considered red-pilled when socialism is so degenerate? Literally stealing from honest workers and giving to the untermensch. Sounds pretty blue-pilled to me.

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We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'German people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman.

That source isn't reliable, and I highly doubt he uttered that statement, considering that in 1944, it was clear that the National Socialists were to lose the war.

Why should we help worse genes to reproduce and support offspring? It seems like nationalism is a kind of Social Dawinism but socialism is pretty much dysgenics.

>How can natsoc be considered red-pilled when socialism is so degenerate?

Socialism is considered bluepilled. Stormfags are a minority at Sup Forums. Most mentions of "Jews" and "Kikes" are just memetic.

-His mother died when he was 15, first point invalidated.
-Doesn't prove anything, nor the notion of a "mother cult"
-To raise a new and healthy generation
-Not true and no source for this.
-Not true and no source for this.
-Those were the Soviets.
-Not true and no sources for this.

it's obvious you shills are getting desperate if you have to post the same fucking thread every fucking day with the same fucking caption. Literally proves Hitler's point on dealing with your kin.

I agree, but the people have been to polluted with cultural Marxism to exist as self-reliant hard working individuals. I would support a natsoc group if they would at least remove that cancerous aspect of western culture, although the notion that they can engineer an economy is dubious, yes.

>His mother died when he was 15, first point invalidated.

Only in your dreams, stormfag. Why can't stormfags even fact check simplest facts.

Your other rebuttals are equally laughable.

its better to have retards with something than lurking on the street stealing shit.

This was the only Nazi critical image I could find in my folder and I thought it was inflammatory enough to get a few extra bumps for free. Don't actually give a shit about the image but feel free to address the argument in my OP.

NatSoc is not socialist. The means of production aren't in the hands of the people. Your point is thus void.

False.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP

National Socialism is not degenerate. It is in the white diaspora's nature to help out their fellow white brothers and sisters. We should not deny our nature.

That's why the socialism part of National Socialism works so well in Nordic countries. They are (for the time being) way whiter than America.

Anecdotally, I would be much more willing to contribute more to the commons if I knew it was only going to other whites because they are statistically more likely to not to abuse the system and eventually contribute to the commons as well.

That's why socialism would utterly fail in America. There are way too many different racial groups. Diversity increases distrust not only among other races but also within your own race.

What is degenerate is allowing foreign parasites to benefit from the commons that your people have invested into.

that pic

>HAHAHAH CHECKMATE FEMINISTS

you guys are literally no better than SJWs

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP
which point exactly?

>National Socialism works so well in Nordic countries
American (((education))). lol

Nordic countries earned their wealth before they became socialist shit-holes. Their current decline came with socialism.

Collectivism is a shit ideology and centralisation has fallen short in every application ever attempted.

>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
>We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
Sounds pretty fucking socialist to me. It's certainly not right wing.

>breaking up of monopolies
>division of profits, division, not nationalisation
>come on, pensions are socialist now?
it also speaks of strengthening of th emiddle class. you'd have to be pretty far out on the market liberal side to consider these as "means of production in the hand of the people"

>NatSoc is not socialist

Holy shit, that delusion.

National **Socialist** **Workers'** Party

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

* We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries
* We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
* We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
* We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses
* We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
* The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child

They also started/expanded Jugendamt (for mass kidnapping and adoption of kids), enforced mandatory (pre-)schooling, Strength Through Joy and so on.

Hitler was wrong. Recessive genes are not better. Blonde hair / blue eyes people have a right to continue existing but they aren't in any way objectively superior to Anglos and other western European variants.

No. You go a step further and demand the state allocate resources for individuals. You are the same marxist pests, just with different class divisions and favorite preferred victims. You should do everyone a favor and stop claiming you are 'right wing', that and kys.

The middle class has always been the problem. They are the root of modern progressive "values", collectivist delusion and micro-management. The bourgeoisie has forever been trying to "fix" the world from their own comfy ignorance but in every step lacking the chivalry, virtue and foresight of the aristocratic class.

That's egalitarian and anti-capitalist. Both traits are *also* found in socialism. Socialism still needs the people's ownership of production which isnt the case.
And for the name, you wouldn't call the DDR democratic either.

That shit tier image

"Egalitarianism" is left-wing. I know it may be tough for Natsocs to realise that they have been fighting on the wrong side but you'll get there eventually, if you think about it hard enough.

Exactly this. National Socialism is just like a different brand of Marxism.

Was that supposed to be an argument? You posted a picture of an American.

Right, that is why NS and Marxism are bitter enemues and NS considered themselves a 3rd Way

>Socialism still needs the people's ownership of production which isnt the case

Oh shit, another "It wasn't REAL socialism" retard.

>you wouldn't call the DDR democratic either.

Oh look, the "Because DDR wasn't democratic therefore all terms are meaningless" fallacy.

pol does not make sense in many ways
it is true that national socialism in nazi germany was appallingly left wing: stole from workers and jews to enrich the state under pretense of helping your comrade, filthiest propaganda, even a false flag, warmongerers left and right, personality cult, and a general state of fear and mistrust in the population - they did absolutely everything in the book.
5000km away 70 years later it repeats. The US is similar in every way.

>ideologies with the same fundamental construction can't be in opposition

So, two imperialist expansionist ideologies with different cultural traditions couldn't possibly clash in pursuit of their differing goals (Namely, who is in control)? Even if they were fighting on entirely different religious or racial grounds? Hmmm. I suspect that you are full of shit.

>They are the root of modern progressive "values

aristocrats lost their honor at the end of the middle ages (in western europe at least). the 'bourgeoise' now-adays and in the last century is degenerate and pro globalist

Really good analysis. I hadn't even considered the personality cult comparison.

Perhaps Sup Forums gravitated towards National Socialism in the beginning, to be as inflammatory and dissident as possible. Now after some time, people are stuck there, even though they haven't deeply processed the ideological basis and clarified the position in respect to moral judgement.

Seems like a newcomer's bait and low tier pseudo-intellectual trap which ensnares easy targets incapable of seeing that the grain of truth which they cling to, actually lies in a mountain of bullshit.

Of course, the real nobility of the past is merely a skeleton but it's still a tradition which can inspire new blood of those in the right spirit. Elevating the middle-class has always been a mistake. Their unwarranted and unearned sense of importance has been the downfall of many a nation.

This is why I believe that Sup Forums should discard ideologies altogether and seek only the natural order and that the natural order be restored upon the world. The whole battle against "degeneracy" is just a battle against that which defies nature. Why not expand that principle into the entire realm of perspective?

>How can natsoc be considered red-pilled when socialism is so degenerate?
Because National Socialism is not Socialism.

Debunked "No true Scotsman fallacy" nonsense. Read the thread you fucking lazy shit.

>you'll get there eventually
Why would you think I'm NS?
>National Socialism is just like a different brand of Marxism
By applying that logic: Is Social Democrcy basically the same as communism for you?

>wasn't REAL socialism" retard.
Nah, wasn't-scoialism-at all-just-featured-the-anti-capitalism-and-egalitarinism-elements retard
I guess from a capitalist viewpoint it would look all the same.

>Debunked "No true Scotsman fallacy" nonsense.
National Socialism is not Socialism. No true National Socialist claims that they're the same thing or that National Socialism is a derivation from Socialism.

>Read the thread you fucking lazy shit.
I don't care enough to read through your rantings.

Only people ignorant of National Socialism claim that National Socialism is the same as Socialism.

Yes. It's all based on the marxist idea of class, 'sharing means if production' and redistribution of wealth by committee. It's the same shit with different paint, deluding yourself to the point where you cannot see this anymore speaks volumes about your public education system.

So the evolution of an idea is impossible for you.
>Britain is absolutistic because it has a queen
>Switzerland is commie because it has pensions

Hence purging society of lesser individuals.
A wellfare state where übermensch want to help their fellow übermensch is the key to success.

The true übermensch do not need help. Being assisted to a higher status completely betrays the concept of personal self becoming. The idea that people need to be programmed with the perfect ideology and can be artificially elevated without having to suffer the individual struggle for self-determination and dominance is a fundamentally LEFTIST concept through and fucking through. If you can't see this, you are blind as shit.

When people are given success, they are completely robbed of the benefits of being reforged in the fires actualisation with real consequence. Pain and failure exist for a reason, even Nietzsche says that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That is ideologically opposed to the concept of socialism.

>he true übermensch do not need help.
>also they don't age and are immune to sickness, never are they oppressed by people with wealth acquired over several generations.
>the 63 people owning half of the world are Übermenschen.
>t. 15 yo edgelord

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